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Open Letter to support YT presenters

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  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @dspguy I think the relative lack of discussion in posts by youtubers on Facebook is because, at least using the Facebook app, clicking on a video opens it up directly in YouTube. So people then just join the discussion in the youtube comments section.

    Another factor is that probably most youtubers aren't really engaging with those Facebook groups. There are maybe 20+ Facebook groups related to ios music so I think that's more than understandable.

    For me nothing beats the AB Forum, in general, as a place for iOS related discussion, so I prefer to engage here. Some youtubers - most, probably - have their own discord servers or whatever so I imagine they focus their energies there. Tbh, I'll probably end up doing the same.

    If you do , please let me know the server! I’ve learned a LOT from your channel.

    This will definitely be something tied to some kind of patreon tier or something. Cheers!

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @Gavinski said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:
    Thank you David. If everyone thought as deeply and had as big a heart as you, the world would be a truly beautiful place. I’ve been a full time musician most of my adult life and I’m 51 now. It’s not the job to take if you want financial security. That said, I gave up being a total nomad 18 years ago and have a settled family life. I’ve supported my little family just fine. We get by. I’ve found that to earn enough money as a musician to pay the bills, it’s important to be versatile, do lots of different jobs and be very careful what you put in the diary. If it doesn’t pay you don’t do it. Exposure points do not spend and passion projects are for semi-pros. I’d always wanted to do YouTube, but simply never had time to upload much. Then of course, lockdown happened and I had all the time in the world so, I did it. I’ve tried not to ever be click baity or try to have some kind of sensational viral video but instead to learn how it’s done and grow it organically. I wanted subscribers to be genuine so that this would be something that would work in the long term. I’m monetised and I’ve passed 2,500 subs. So it’s still very small, but comments and feedback are excellent, my analytics are extremely good - massively above average. And I love doing it. I’ve made so many friends and feel like I belong to a really special community. I would happily give up most of my other work and just do YouTube. The problem is, I spend all my free time making the videos. It’s an immense amount of work to make a good video and I currently earn on average, £10 per month from YouTube. From Patreon I receive just over £40 per month and donations are extremely rare. I have all the info there for people to donate if they wish. But almost everyone’s struggling so why would they donate to me? Every month I invest 100’s of hours in helping people make music through YouTube, in Facebook Groups, via messenger, private e-mail. People are usually grateful and sometimes remember to say thank you. This year I’ve had 2 donations, totalling about £35. I can’t afford to do international drop shipping merch at a reasonable price so it hardly sells. I did think that Patreon would be the answer. It makes so much sense. You can sign up for a tiny amount of money and in return get free codes, help with your mixes, have me play on your music - Patreon only videos and streams - tons of samples, presets - all kinds of stuff - photos and thoughts I don’t share anywhere else. But asking people to subscribe to pay £1 a month for all this, I’ve been accused of begging, and received lectures on the evils of subs. One guy joined for 1 month, a £1 Patron received £50 worth of app codes and left saying he couldn’t afford it. Maybe he couldn’t. Maybe he just took a shit up my back. I’m not sure. I knew that if I put myself out there as someone to go to for help, that most people would let me help them and never even think about contributing in any way. I never expected it would be so few that actually helped though. I really enjoyed live streaming and I think that helps build community and donations are more common in a stream but I had a lot of problems committing to a regular time slot. It makes me really sad but I’ve had to give that time over to guitar lessons because it pays. I’m too small for sponsored vids but believe me, if I could make a few quid by talking about what product I use to shave my ball hair I’d be doing it because I love doing YouTube and that might just make it viable to continue. How is it, that people can’t see that?

    So, you have to invest a monumental amount of time into YouTube in order to start seeing any financial return. So it’s really tough when you have a family and all the rest of the work in your diary pays money. My personal circumstances are now pretty dire so I have some tough decisions to make. This year, I have hardly gigged. For the first time since I turned pro, there just aren’t any gigs, we’ll not ones that pay. Gigging is half my income, the other half is teaching. Session work is sporadic so that’s a bonus when it comes in. Teaching is going just fine thankfully but, no sessions at the moment and no gigs. The UK live scene is decimated. Later in the year it will improve but financially now, I’m on the bones of my arse. Being a self employed musician, the Mrs and I can make sure one of us is always there for Fred, our autistic son. That’s the reason I stopped doing many tours with name artists anymore. It would be hard to find a job working for someone else that would fit around that but I’m looking. I’m also putting myself out there trying to get more work making music for games or sample pack stuff etc. it just feels like nobody’s hiring at all.

    This of course, isn’t the fault of any YouTube viewer. I decided to be self-employed and nobody owes me anything, it’s up to me to fix it and Im in no way bitter. I’m simply sharing because I feel like people just see us on camera or on stage as successful and take us for granted. The whole world has become accustomed to getting everything music related for free, they don’t even think about it. Spotify are raping us, stealing from us and humiliating us blatantly in front of the whole world and nobody does anything about it. I don’t think it crosses most peoples minds. I think this share might might also help to explain why many creators don’t last and why they get disillusioned. But also, I’m sharing because I never open up, I never share - Jamie’s always ok. Broad shouldered, helpful stupid hippie. But right now I’m scared of letting my family down - I have to find some work somewhere. I don’t know what it’s gonna be, but I do know that the answer isn’t YouTube related. So despite the fact that many iOS and desktop developers who I don’t want to let down are still sending me software, I just don’t know if I can keep doing it. If I do, it will have to be when I have time and if you don’t upload frequently the YouTube algorithm kicks you in the balls.

    Great share Jamie, sobering indeed though. I hope you get more gigs soon ♥

    Thank you Gavin.

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @ervin said:
    OTOH, I also apply ruthless rules to my content consumption, like never opening a video with a silly face on the cover image

    Doing the Lord’s work there, @ervin! Nice one.

    That’s one thing I just won’t do. Lots of how to be massive on YouTube videos tell you it’s essential to do a thumbnail pointing at something and pulling a face. A cutout of yourself with the thick white line and a clickbait type title. Not for me. I’d rather grow the channel slowly and have people watch because I don’t do it like everyone else.

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @AtticusL said:
    Wow. Jamie and RedSkyLullaby with some grim reality. Why YouTube have to be such pr*cks with all that minimum 4k watch hour stuff I just don’t know.

    It’s a monumental amount of watch time to achieve in a rolling 12 months. I was really close and some of the other channels told their audience to give me some watch time to help me. Everything got a bit easier after passing that first milestone. I remember being in Doug’s chat and him telling people how good I was and they should watch me. I was really emotional when I hit that number, I’d worked so hard for it.

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @dspguy said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:
    Thank you David. If everyone thought as deeply and had as big a heart as you, the world would be a truly beautiful place. I’ve been a full time musician most of my adult life and I’m 51 now. It’s not the job to take if you want financial security. That said, I gave up being a total nomad 18 years ago and have a settled family life. I’ve supported my little family just fine. We get by. I’ve found that to earn enough money as a musician to pay the bills, it’s important to be versatile, do lots of different jobs and be very careful what you put in the diary. If it doesn’t pay you don’t do it. Exposure points do not spend and passion projects are for semi-pros. I’d always wanted to do YouTube, but simply never had time to upload much. Then of course, lockdown happened and I had all the time in the world so, I did it. I’ve tried not to ever be click baity or try to have some kind of sensational viral video but instead to learn how it’s done and grow it organically. I wanted subscribers to be genuine so that this would be something that would work in the long term. I’m monetised and I’ve passed 2,500 subs. So it’s still very small, but comments and feedback are excellent, my analytics are extremely good - massively above average. And I love doing it. I’ve made so many friends and feel like I belong to a really special community. I would happily give up most of my other work and just do YouTube. The problem is, I spend all my free time making the videos. It’s an immense amount of work to make a good video and I currently earn on average, £10 per month from YouTube. From Patreon I receive just over £40 per month and donations are extremely rare. I have all the info there for people to donate if they wish. But almost everyone’s struggling so why would they donate to me? Every month I invest 100’s of hours in helping people make music through YouTube, in Facebook Groups, via messenger, private e-mail. People are usually grateful and sometimes remember to say thank you. This year I’ve had 2 donations, totalling about £35. I can’t afford to do international drop shipping merch at a reasonable price so it hardly sells. I did think that Patreon would be the answer. It makes so much sense. You can sign up for a tiny amount of money and in return get free codes, help with your mixes, have me play on your music - Patreon only videos and streams - tons of samples, presets - all kinds of stuff - photos and thoughts I don’t share anywhere else. But asking people to subscribe to pay £1 a month for all this, I’ve been accused of begging, and received lectures on the evils of subs. One guy joined for 1 month, a £1 Patron received £50 worth of app codes and left saying he couldn’t afford it. Maybe he couldn’t. Maybe he just took a shit up my back. I’m not sure. I knew that if I put myself out there as someone to go to for help, that most people would let me help them and never even think about contributing in any way. I never expected it would be so few that actually helped though. I really enjoyed live streaming and I think that helps build community and donations are more common in a stream but I had a lot of problems committing to a regular time slot. It makes me really sad but I’ve had to give that time over to guitar lessons because it pays. I’m too small for sponsored vids but believe me, if I could make a few quid by talking about what product I use to shave my ball hair I’d be doing it because I love doing YouTube and that might just make it viable to continue. How is it, that people can’t see that?

    So, you have to invest a monumental amount of time into YouTube in order to start seeing any financial return. So it’s really tough when you have a family and all the rest of the work in your diary pays money. My personal circumstances are now pretty dire so I have some tough decisions to make. This year, I have hardly gigged. For the first time since I turned pro, there just aren’t any gigs, we’ll not ones that pay. Gigging is half my income, the other half is teaching. Session work is sporadic so that’s a bonus when it comes in. Teaching is going just fine thankfully but, no sessions at the moment and no gigs. The UK live scene is decimated. Later in the year it will improve but financially now, I’m on the bones of my arse. Being a self employed musician, the Mrs and I can make sure one of us is always there for Fred, our autistic son. That’s the reason I stopped doing many tours with name artists anymore. It would be hard to find a job working for someone else that would fit around that but I’m looking. I’m also putting myself out there trying to get more work making music for games or sample pack stuff etc. it just feels like nobody’s hiring at all.

    This of course, isn’t the fault of any YouTube viewer. I decided to be self-employed and nobody owes me anything, it’s up to me to fix it and Im in no way bitter. I’m simply sharing because I feel like people just see us on camera or on stage as successful and take us for granted. The whole world has become accustomed to getting everything music related for free, they don’t even think about it. Spotify are raping us, stealing from us and humiliating us blatantly in front of the whole world and nobody does anything about it. I don’t think it crosses most peoples minds. I think this share might might also help to explain why many creators don’t last and why they get disillusioned. But also, I’m sharing because I never open up, I never share - Jamie’s always ok. Broad shouldered, helpful stupid hippie. But right now I’m scared of letting my family down - I have to find some work somewhere. I don’t know what it’s gonna be, but I do know that the answer isn’t YouTube related. So despite the fact that many iOS and desktop developers who I don’t want to let down are still sending me software, I just don’t know if I can keep doing it. If I do, it will have to be when I have time and if you don’t upload frequently the YouTube algorithm kicks you in the balls.

    Thanks for sharing that, Jamie.
    I hope the person reads it who called the transfer of review/promo codes from developers some sort of diabolical genius business concept on the youtubers' behalf.

    I can also imagine how every time YouTube announces major policy changes can give creators a sinking stomach feeling as they open up their email to read the fine print.
    All I can say is that this field & audience is still evolving, and YT has shown us many times that years of perseverance can get rewarded in very unpredictable and sudden ways. So please don't stop as long as there is even the faintest possibility to keep some sort of a balance between things.

    I really like how you weave some of your videos around a musical theme of yours, it gives a very special vibe right from the first second. Your calm and collected presentation immediately reminded me of Dan Worrall (who does his own videos, but is getting paid for participating in fabfilter's media projects, but he is more of an audio engineer I think). But by no means do I want to single you out or dunk on everyone else, as I enjoyed some other creators' videos as well, maybe for different reasons. And I probably shouldn't voice too strong an opinion, not having watched a tremendous number of videos anyway.

    We could probably fill pages regarding the topic of how developers fit into the current state of all things YT, and these forum posts are probably not the place to get to the bottom of it all. But I think altering the dynamic between developers and youtubers could bring forth some interesting changes, and even brand new perspectives of content. For example, I think right now there is too much dependence on the developer's graciousness (or stinginess) regarding promo codes, or the prevalence of the whole giveaway "genre". But of course that's just a facet of a really complex, connected thing that encompasses all aspects of this ecosystem, and not something you could change with a magic wand in itself.

    Speaking of content (and addressing every YT presenter out there), I think there is probably a lot of room for improvement, but I also don't think there is a single direction to go towards. Perhaps something could be learned from some of the differences sometimes observable between desktop and mobile youtubers (and perhaps some differences are maybe there for a good reason). Perhaps more experimentation could reveal a brand new direction, maybe even in a counter-intuitive way. It's possible that some changes that will improve things will come from the outside, like Logic folks with M1 boxes getting interested in AUv3 stuff.

    One thing I've been wondering about is all the silent members in the iOS musician facebook groups for example, who rarely react or comment posts from youtubers. Maybe the interaction rate is on par with larger groups (when adjusted for scale), but I always found it more than strange. Maybe I would want to look into that a bit deeper if I was a content creator.

    Cheers, and thanks for your relentless dedication. A lot of people (including me) owe you tons.

    Thank you for putting together such a thoughtful reply on this subject. There’s a lot of interesting stuff there to think about. I’m glad you enjoy the way my videos have started to include more of a musical theme. I’m trying to progress with making my own music, whilst demonstrating the software that I’m using. That way the viewer hears music evolve through a succession of videos. I feel that in time I’m headed more in a direction of music production videos and less like - here’s an app - this is how it works. I feel that there are too many of us doing that so maybe showing how I use an app to achieve an actual sound - like as part of a production - that might be more interesting to people. You know, watch Gav to get the fine detail, watch Doug jam with the app, watch Jade because of the community vibe and the show itself - watch Jamie use the app to make some Cyber Metal and he’ll tell you about the other software too, show you the guitar maybe - or the controller keyboard. Like the video would be an instalment rather than just one thing.

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @dspguy I think the relative lack of discussion in posts by youtubers on Facebook is because, at least using the Facebook app, clicking on a video opens it up directly in YouTube. So people then just join the discussion in the youtube comments section.

    Another factor is that probably most youtubers aren't really engaging with those Facebook groups. There are maybe 20+ Facebook groups related to ios music so I think that's more than understandable.

    For me nothing beats the AB Forum, in general, as a place for iOS related discussion, so I prefer to engage here. Some youtubers - most, probably - have their own discord servers or whatever so I imagine they focus their energies there. Tbh, I'll probably end up doing the same.

    If you do , please let me know the server! I’ve learned a LOT from your channel.

    Me too! Gav is the guy to watch if you want to learn an app inside out. I have to say though regarding Discord, I’m failing at it! I spend a lot of time in Facebook groups and I reply to everyone who comments on a YouTube video. I upload shorts to TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, do Twitter and I post on Reddit even though Indont really use it… same with Linked In. But I just don’t seem to be able to get things moving at Discord. If you want to see how sad I am at it - https://discord.gg/Uks6esbB

  • SimonSimon

    @Jamie_Mallender said:
    watch Jade because of the community vibe and the show itself

    True, but it is not just the fun, crazy vibe - Jade also goes through every button and setting in an app and shows how it all works. Also shows many apps in standalone, AUM, and GarageBand modes. Jade explains things very well.

    All you YouTube iOS music people do a great job.

  • oddSTARoddSTAR

    @Samu said:

    >

    I don't believe in 'artificial fertilization' of a small niche-markets that are too small to strive on their own...
    ...it will be survival of the fittest wether we like it or not. Support buying every single app that pops up will just give a false sense of a 'market' that simply isn't there... (Even in the larger groups with +10k members it's true, even if everybody bought the app at $99 a pop it would sustain the app for maybe 1-2 years max and how many apps would they buy to 'support the cause'?).

    The 'market' doesn't grown unless it's actively promoted 'outside' small 'cell groups' of 'zealots'.

    I applaud you for taking control of your personal time and trying to use it to maximize your productivity (have said so before), but I’d like to offer an alternative view to the rest of your post.

    “Artificial fertilization“ as you put it is actually just supporting a community that you care about in this case. These are not faceless corporations that deserve to live or die based on the viability of their product, these are people you know (virtually) and who deserve your support if you feel they have benefited you in any way and if you hope to see that continue. If you don’t that’s fine, but it would be kinder to keep that to yourself.

    Sure this proposal isn’t going to grow the market into something viable—that is not the point. Growth would require a different kind of campaign to actively sell this stuff up to other people, sharing the videos, talking about it with friends and on social media, reaching out to influencers and media outlets to get more people interested so that it is a more viable market. This is more about showing appreciation and hopefully extending the life of something worthwhile.

  • SamuSamu

    @oddSTAR said:

    “Artificial fertilization“ as you put it is actually just supporting a community that you care about in this case. These are not faceless corporations that deserve to live or die based on the viability of their product, these are people you know (virtually) and who deserve your support if you feel they have benefited you in any way and if you hope to see that continue.

    I feel this needs to be discussed to keep the expectations at a realistic level as there's a finite amount of funds a relatively small community can afford for supporting the cause in the long run...

  • GavinskiGavinski

    I feel there may be some communication breakdown here about whether people are talking about buying apps to support devs, or whether they are talking about supporting YouTubers by watching ads sometimes or sometimes donating via PayPal, which are two different things. Maybe clarifying this would help to avoid any misunderstanding 🍻

  • looperboylooperboy
    edited March 2023

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

  • SamuSamu
    edited March 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    I feel there may be some communication breakdown here about whether people are talking about buying apps to support devs, or whether they are talking about supporting YouTubers by watching ads sometimes or sometimes donating via PayPal, which are two different things. Maybe clarifying this would help to avoid any misunderstanding 🍻

    True, for me I see 'supporting the community' as a whole. ie. supporting both Developers and YouTubers, Creators and Users.
    Without developers there would be almost no iApps for YouTubers to demo and less tools for other creators to create with and almost nothing to buy :sunglasses:

    Looking at myself I currently have very limited resources so I have to be very picky on which part of the community I can spend my time & resources on.

    And would it really be of any bigger help if I spend $1 on 100 creators or focus the $20 on a selected few?

    This is what I mean with limited resources of a small community.

    Can we as a 'community' support 100 full time developers and a a couple hundred content creators who spread the word?

    Cheers!

  • looperboylooperboy

    Does anyone have an idea of the size of the community. How many people, for example, have bought Koala? It seems like there must be a way to organise a proper support network. My guess is that the overall size might be about 10,000 engaged iOS musicians worldwide, but that’s just a quick guess based on YouTube figures etc.

  • ervinervin
    edited March 2023

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @ervin said:
    OTOH, I also apply ruthless rules to my content consumption, like never opening a video with a silly face on the cover image

    Doing the Lord’s work there, @ervin! Nice one.

    That’s one thing I just won’t do. Lots of how to be massive on YouTube videos tell you it’s essential to do a thumbnail pointing at something and pulling a face. A cutout of yourself with the thick white line and a clickbait type title. Not for me. I’d rather grow the channel slowly and have people watch because I don’t do it like everyone else.

    I'm so glad that's your position, Jamie. In your case, it would also totally kill your brand if you succumbed to that idiocy, I believe.

    FWIW I think your YouTube persona (which may or may not be identical to your real-life persona; I have no idea as I don't have the pleasure of knowing you in person) is one of the best among the music maker creators. The calm, friendly, self-deprecating old hippy who at the same time knows his stuff and also knows how to explain it to others. Just brilliant, man. I tend to watch all your videos even if I'm not specifically interested in the topic, because it's always time well spent.

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @Simon said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:
    watch Jade because of the community vibe and the show itself

    True, but it is not just the fun, crazy vibe - Jade also goes through every button and setting in an app and shows how it all works. Also shows many apps in standalone, AUM, and GarageBand modes. Jade explains things very well.

    All you YouTube iOS music people do a great job.

    Jade does do an exceptional job of doing a tutorial of each app whilst still being very entertaining. To say that she does it all live and maintains a regular slot every day, and does the Patreon streams too - and continues to make music whilst struggling with health issues - she’s amazing. But also, Jade has become a firm friend and does a lot to help me for which, I’m forever grateful.

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @ervin said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @ervin said:
    OTOH, I also apply ruthless rules to my content consumption, like never opening a video with a silly face on the cover image

    Doing the Lord’s work there, @ervin! Nice one.

    That’s one thing I just won’t do. Lots of how to be massive on YouTube videos tell you it’s essential to do a thumbnail pointing at something and pulling a face. A cutout of yourself with the thick white line and a clickbait type title. Not for me. I’d rather grow the channel slowly and have people watch because I don’t do it like everyone else.

    I'm so glad that's your position, Jamie. In your case, it would also totally kill your brand if you succumbed to that idiocy, I believe.

    FWIW I think your YouTube persona (which may or may not be identical to your real-life persona; I have no idea as I don't have the pleasure of knowing you in person) is one of the best among the music maker creators. The calm, friendly, self-deprecating old hippy who at the same time knows his stuff and also knows how to explain it to others. Just brilliant, man. I tend to watch all your videos even if I'm not specifically interested in the topic, because it's always time well spent.

    Thank you. It’s so nice to read things like that because I do put a lot of effort into the videos. I’m quite passionate about making a good job of them. WhenI started making videos I didn’t really think too deeply about how to present myself, I just wanted to be me. Anything I say that might be a bit of a catchphrase is something I say regularly anyway, off camera. I realised though after some extremely harsh criticism from another YouTuber that my way of talking is far too laid back and slow to retain viewers so, I’m just me but, talking faster.

  • ervinervin

    @Jamie_Mallender said:
    I realised though after some extremely harsh criticism from another YouTuber that my way of talking is far too laid back and slow to retain viewers so, I’m just me but, talking faster.

    I hope the change works out for you. I’m sure other YouTubers are some of the best critics out there, however don’t underestimate the Power of Slow in this age of Everything Superfast. You’re not doing bloody TikTok after all. Not that I’m statistically relevant, but I’d pick you, Nu-Trix or midlife synthesist etc. any day over some painfully gesticulating shrew on speed who is way faster than you. 💁

  • Fear2StopFear2Stop

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

  • Fear2StopFear2Stop

    @ervin said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:
    I realised though after some extremely harsh criticism from another YouTuber that my way of talking is far too laid back and slow to retain viewers so, I’m just me but, talking faster.

    I hope the change works out for you. I’m sure other YouTubers are some of the best critics out there, however don’t underestimate the Power of Slow in this age of Everything Superfast. You’re not doing bloody TikTok after all. Not that I’m statistically relevant, but I’d pick you, Nu-Trix or midlife synthesist etc. any day over some painfully gesticulating shrew on speed who is way faster than you. 💁

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Simon said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:
    watch Jade because of the community vibe and the show itself

    True, but it is not just the fun, crazy vibe - Jade also goes through every button and setting in an app and shows how it all works. Also shows many apps in standalone, AUM, and GarageBand modes. Jade explains things very well.

    All you YouTube iOS music people do a great job.

    Jade does do an exceptional job of doing a tutorial of each app whilst still being very entertaining. To say that she does it all live and maintains a regular slot every day, and does the Patreon streams too - and continues to make music whilst struggling with health issues - she’s amazing. But also, Jade has become a firm friend and does a lot to help me for which, I’m forever grateful.

    Jade is amazing…I’m a regular watcher, and just got through watching her video of KQ Dixie and now I’m considering getting that one too!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

  • Fear2StopFear2Stop

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

    😂

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

    😂

    Right now, I’d do it for a bag of chips. I’m just offended that they never asked me 😂

  • Fear2StopFear2Stop

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

    😂

    Right now, I’d do it for a bag of chips. I’m just offended that they never asked me 😂

    😂

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

    😂

    Right now, I’d do it for a bag of chips. I’m just offended that they never asked me 😂

    Bait for seagulls? (if you get the reference this will be very funny, otherwise, mystifying 😂)

  • ervinervin

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

    😂

    Right now, I’d do it for a bag of chips. I’m just offended that they never asked me 😂

    I'm sure the mazochistic fraction of the forum can crowdfund that much, @Jamie_Mallender , so careful what you wish for.

  • MarkHMarkH

    Another Premium subscriber here, which I think is better for those whose videos I watch. I advocate supporting creators by some form of subscription, whether Premium or targeted at particular creators via Patreon or some such. I seem to recall that encouraging false clicks (including clicking ads 'just to support' the creator) is against YT terms of service, but it will in any case work against the revenue model in the long term.

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  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @ehehehe said:
    I adblock, view, maybe like and/or subscribe to the channel. Mostly I get bored by videos so I don't use that resource much. Ipad music production is a pretty small niche, so it's understandable that the videos never will generate massive amounts of views or income.

    I don’t know how to adblock. I heard of people doing it but I always felt that the content creator deserved to earn at least a bit of something as a reward for their efforts. Aren’t you taking that away from them or have I misunderstood?

  • Jamie_MallenderJamie_Mallender

    @Gavinski said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

    😂

    Right now, I’d do it for a bag of chips. I’m just offended that they never asked me 😂

    Bait for seagulls? (if you get the reference this will be very funny, otherwise, mystifying 😂)

    Other than the fact that eating fish and chips by the seaside is a favourite thing of mine to do, frequently ruined by seagulls I’m not sure I know what you mean. A couple of years ago in Llandudno a particularly aggressive seagull actually flew down and stole the fish out of my daughters tray whilst we were walking down the pier. Of course, she dropped what was left as well. She prefers to eat indoors now. 😂

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Jamie_Mallender said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @looperboy said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    The thing that really pisses me off is that on children’s content the ads are even worse … had Yo Gabba Gabba on for my son and he’s in his playpen watching it while I’m making him a bottle and I start hearing the f*cking governor here spreading his message of hate, and there’s a damn 45 minute political ad on there. Of course I hit skip but that’s a perfect example. Literally every 3-4 minutes there’s an ad.

    I also hate seeing 30 seconds of ads just to get a video where there’s a paid sponsorship too… being forced to watch ads on stuff I don’t care about and then hear someone talk about shaving their balls for 5 minutes is just too much for a 10 minute video lol

    You're getting videos about shaving balls on youtube? This must surely reflect your Google Chrome search history brother! 🤪

    @RedSkyLullaby said:

    @Gavinski said:

    With the lack of demo versions for iOS apps and the increasing expense of apps, especially desktop ports, ios music youtubers have a more important role than ever. But without community support, more and more of these 'creators' will decide that it's not the best use of their time.

    >

    Totally agree the time to make videos is substantial vs the money likely to make from views, if you calculate hrs vs income im sure it is a fraction of minimum wage most of time.

    I started my YouTube to support developers and iOS users like me to learn.
    When I started the thresholds YouTube had to be able to monetize were lower but I chose at that time to not have people watch ads to see my videos. Subsequently Youtube started playing ads on all videos whether you monetize or not and vastly increased the threshold for creators to get any money from the ads they now played on all videos.

    Now I am definitely in position where I am making less videos and don’t feel incentivized (that was never an issue for me until Youtube started showing ads and paying 0% which is disincentive)
    I have over 150 videos, close to half million views, prob months of creation/editing time and I have made $zero because YouTube threshold to monetize is 4000 viewer hours watch time per year or 10 million (yes million) YT shorts views in last 90 days to be eligible for a share of ad revenue.

    Like Gavinski said there are not really any viable alternatives for our little niche corner of music production world. I don’t really consider myself a Yt presenter as I am not on camera but hopefully what I do is useful when people choosing what to spend their money on.
    Love iOS music production and will continue to make vids but just not at pace I used to for sure

    That sucks Stuart! Maybe make a playlist and post it here, ask people to run it in the background when they're not doing anything. Not particularly fair to advertisers, but it equally seems very unfair you're not getting a share of ad revenue. Yeah my prediction is that at this rate, fewer and fewer people will do ios YouTube, and the new ones who come along will quickly give up. It's very different from the days when the likes of Doug etc started, when they could make money from links to the app store. That ended years ago, maybe some people are not aware of this.

    😂 Nah , was referring to YouTubers being sponsored by Manscape and literally spending the first part of the videos talking about shaving. I’m like , “dude I’m just trying to watch a movie review, not to hear a guy half my age talk about trimming his public hair” .

    Watching Justin Hawkins from The Darkness shaving his balls on behalf of Manscape at the start of his videos has scarred me for life. And I’ll bet he’s not half your age 😂 Unless you were at the Dunkirk landings.

    We must be grateful Doug and Gavinski have not (yet) gone down this route, and support them however we can.

    Oh God not him too 🤣

    I can promise you that you will never see me promoting manscaper, and certainly not in a live vid of me shaving my nether regions. Unless they pay me... 1 million dollars

    😂

    Right now, I’d do it for a bag of chips. I’m just offended that they never asked me 😂

    Bait for seagulls? (if you get the reference this will be very funny, otherwise, mystifying 😂)

    Other than the fact that eating fish and chips by the seaside is a favourite thing of mine to do, frequently ruined by seagulls I’m not sure I know what you mean. A couple of years ago in Llandudno a particularly aggressive seagull actually flew down and stole the fish out of my daughters tray whilst we were walking down the pier. Of course, she dropped what was left as well. She prefers to eat indoors now. 😂

    Treat yourself to a nice laugh by reading this lol:


    Link to the original tweet - comments section has a few gems 😂:

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