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Not sure but for me I am registered for Google Pay with a UK tax code and it won't let me attach my Chinese bank card to it, same for all Google services, including Google Pay. If anyone knows a way around this, let me know. I mean I can't even access Google or YouTube without a vpn, being in China 😂.
True, but the really high quality content is becoming harder and harder to find as Youtube seems to promote crap as to top hits when searching to get more views. YT is also very bad at respecting the likes I give to videos in order to see more from the creators I've enjoyed watching.
Maybe I should just create a new YT account to get rid of the history of the past 15+ years or so...
There is also, at least in the shorts feed, something you can click to choose 'don't show me this kind of stuff' (my own paraphrase lol). Same goes for ads. People often complain about the ads they're shown, but there is something similar you can press to tell YouTube you're not interested in these kinds of ads. Tldr: there are often things you can do to make the YouTube / twitter or whatever algorithm a more optimal experience. After all, YouTube do want people to watch videos, click on ads etc. Telling them what you don't like is just as important as telling them what you like.
About high quality content, of course there's lots. But it certainly does sometimes take effort to seek it out.
That is what I do and it takes more time to filter out what I do NOT want to see than watch what I want to see
You can't get rid of the unison or adobe crap as they apparently pay YT a LOT to promote their sh*t.
I let the adds roll (muted) on videos from those content creators I like and even then I do report some adds as 'irrelevant' but since it's music related videos YT apparently forces music related adds when watching music related videos... (so technically it's not 'irrelevant' and thus YT in practice ignores my requests to see less of them).
Oh well, it is what it is...
I pay by PayPal, maybe you could try that.
I’d probably stretch to that tbh, maybe it’s only just gone up…
Unfortunately, even with PayPal (which is connected to my Chinese bank account and is currently the only bank account I have) I still get a 'your country is unsupported' message. I'll leave here in a few months so will try again when I'm a location more hospitable to YouTube 😂
I'm actually looking into some kind of prepaid international credit cards because getting a credit card in China as a foreigner is extremely difficult and even things like Stripe payments online often don't support the Union Pay debit cards they use here. It's all quite a 麻烦 as they say in these parts. 😅
You can delete your view history easy enough without a new account, and it really does seems to "start over" in terms of what you get recommended. I do it once a year to avoid getting shown the same crap videos I'm interested in.
I'll have to try that one again, thanks!
Sorry Guys, but a rooted Android phone blocks 99% of ads (what a clean life it is), so views and watch time have to be enough for you from users of those devices (me included). And if it's not enough, perhaps get a second (normal) job?
Are you kidding me lol, no-one is living off YouTube, except maybe Doug, they're just asking that people contribute a bit if they're getting value.
Even in my most profitable months I've never earned more than 200 bucks from youtube. The income from the past 28 days is less than 70 bucks. But my vids often have more views than the biggest youtubers on the platform. Go figure...
Do you mean on iOS? Certainly not on YouTube? Would it be weird to ask: what's the threshold where a YouTuber could make a living?
It looks like a rough business, but it reminds me of the explosion of 90s indie rock — or actually, a few years after all the crazy post-Nevermind money dried up. You strike out, you play the circuit, you sell your t-shirts, you hope for a good review in Magnet or single of the week in NME. But you have to keep your day job until you earn the following that maybe lets you do it full time. But even then, it's a long way to becoming Red Means Recording or Loopop or even Jakob Haq.
But are those guys surviving? Or are they buying second houses somewhere?
It's a really weird ecosystem, and the anonymity doesn't exactly encourage a "fan base" — for lack of a better word — that will support a channel.
It's been interesting seeing the difference between music and photography oriented videos on YouTube, since I've gotten into photography the last couple years. Music tubers seem to treat their channel AS the income source, i.e. watch me so I can get some money. While the photo peeps use it as a vehicle for sponsored content they get paid for, or to push their own products (calendars, photo trips, online classes they created, etc).
Sorry, of course I mean in our niche, that was sloppily worded.
The threshold where a youtuber could make a living would depend on where they live. For me, living in Asia, something like $1500 would be enough. Not really enough to save for any kind of retirement - and that's something I really need to think about - but enough to cover basic living.
As for anonymity, that's a tough one. I preferred from the get-go to make my vids about the apps and not about me. Many viewers appreciate that, I think. For me, voice only can often seem more intimate, but I know that some would disagree.
Loopop is likely making a pretty OK living off of YouTube, given his viewing figures and how long he's been getting good viewing figures, but I wouldn't imagine it's a lot of money, and certainly not if he was living in a place like New York or London. Jakob clearly makes very little from his YouTube channel given his recent video about needing to buy a new ipad and not being able to afford to do so.
This is all a very hard topic to discuss. Everyone is in different situations and it's very hard to measure what counts as work and what counts as play. There's a danger when discussing these things that people start to think, 'Oh, X is clearly only thinking about money'.
In my own case, as with Jamie, I initially got into this for the pure love of it, and as a way to force myself to learn apps properly. If I was going to have to explain them to others I'd have to start properly understanding them myself rather than amassing app after app without really understanding many of them on a deep level.
I started the channel, again, like Jamie, during the pandemic, and threw myself into it with quite a ferocious work ethic pretty quickly. I was basically pretty much unemployed at the time due to the harsh lock down measures in China, but had savings and enjoyed pursuing this new thing, waiting for things to get better in my industry here. That didn't quite happen for many reasons, mostly due to Chinese government policy but also partly due to the downturn in the Chinese economy.
I say I enjoyed it, but that's also not entirely true. There were many times when I found it stressful and wondered, why on earth am I doing this to myself. Certainly some significant others thought I had lost my mind working so hard for so little reward. This was a time when I was regularly making extremely detailed walkthroughs on very difficult apps, and it was extremely time consuming, rewarding but challenging, at times. I also went through a major health issue during that period, which didn't help, and which was actually likely related to my work on the YouTube channel and the amount of screen time and sitting I was doing. I went through quite a lot of physical and psychological pain at times.
I'm now at a point where I wonder if I should drop the whole YouTube thing altogether and just focus on making music - as a side job of course. I know many people would miss my videos if I did that - but of course some others wouldn't give a flying fuck 😂.
Luckily I have another stream of income. But frankly when I look at how people like Doug or Jakob, who've been doing this for years, struggle to get by, I really do wonder at times why I continue to do this, even though I'm doing it at much lesser steam than before. Like most creatives, I suppose, I go through extremely productive periods and then tend to get a bit burnt out and produce less. I'm currently in one of the latter periods, where my focus feels very scattered. This has been a bit of a ramble, but I hope it provides some context about the semi anonymous (in face if not in voice) Gavinski and my personal experience of running an ios music channel.
Just a thought on the YT Premium cost in the UK. If you look on the YT web site it says £11.99/month, iOS App Store says £15.99/month. Which makes me think that YT are operating like Spotify, with an increased sub rate if you do it through Apple subscriptions rather than direct.
That said, it’s not that long ago that it was £9.99/month, so it’s gone up since I last looked.
And £11.99 is expensive compared to the likes of Netflix, Disney+, Spotify etc.
All going to a company whose mission purpose is to sell you ads and track your online activity and then sell that data. 😱🤣
First we give away our privacy to a company for free and then some are even crazy enough to pay to continue to do so. What a weird wold we live in…
Has anyone ever seen Steve Tudberry on YouTube? Hes a guy who started out making guitar related videos and hes an excellent player - Dragonforce standard. He became frustrated with how poorly his channel was doing and made a video where he just pratted about and made a tit of himself. He got way more views! And then it clicked. He started making funny videos, music related but the emphasis is on the comedy. He now has a few million subscribers - lots of freebies, sponsored videos and makes a nice living off youtube. Still, the vast majority of people will not donate or join his patreon or even subscribe. The reality is that most people will wherever they can, enjoy a creatives hard work for no money at all. Thats the world we live in now. Theres no point moaning about it, you have to find a way to deal with it and make it work for you. Steves numbers are so big that the views alone are enough. I didnt start my channel to be that guy. If YouTube was one 10th of my income as a full time musician, I would be happy with the fact that I spend half of my time working on it. Clearly, I havent found the right way to make it work for me yet. I can totally relate to what Gav says about the times when it becomes not fun and the pressure you put on yourself to do it. I have to find a hetter balance to make this work in my life.
With regards to YouTube subscriptions, I cancelled my spotify and the Mrs cancelled her Amazon music and I got the YouTube family thing. We now have all the family watching ad free and streaming music ad free. Everyone has their own account and it has worked out well. Its nice knowing that you’re contributing that little bit to each content creator without suffering the ads. I also signed up to a few Patreon accounts for people whos videos I really benefit from and will sign up for more when im past this scary financial time. I like that feeling of giving a little back for peoples hard work.
I don’t know what the future is for me with YouTube but I am kind of a niche in a niche. Most iOS Music folk seem to be more into electronic stuff and although I do cover a lot of that I’m seen as the things with strings guy. To grow, I will inevitably have to do more desktop software and pedals and instruments. What I would like is to make channel purely about helping people to make music, whether that be lessons in production or music theory, gear, how to get gigs etc.. But I don’t want to let the developers down who keep sending me codes.
There are no magic answers, but I’m working on it.
Looking at it from another direction...
Creatives are giving away their content to YouTube for free.
It is like making a TV series and giving it to a TV channel for free.
When you sell a TV series to a network you make sure you get the right deal. YouTube doesn't offer such a deal. It is a lousy deal for anyone hoping to make a living, or a partial living, off YouTube. Only a tiny percent make $$$s from YouTube.
So why give content to YouTube? Because they give you instant global distribution over the net - for free. This is actually something quite valuable and they give it away for free.
There are a lot of people who want that free distribution. For a lot of different reasons. For fun. To be "famous". To get out a political or social message. To promote their sport or hobby. To promote their product or service. And it is great for that.
I guess YouTube is a little bit like the model of free to air TV - we watch for free and the ads pay for it.
But unlike TV where all production companies get money for their work, the twist is on YouTube only a few content creators will make some money (and most won't).
YouTube is set up to benefit YouTube, not content creators. Whatever the content is or where ever it comes from, YouTube always gets money from the ads.
So, is it worth your effort and time...? Maybe not.
I would need a really good reason for making content and giving it away for free.
This is all very true but for a musician, this is kind of, the model we’ve grown used to. Our original music is no more than a shop window dressing now. We make so little money from streaming services - we just hope that people like it and therefore want to buy tickets to gigs and or buy merch. That’s just what has become of our industry. We create things and hope that enough people will enjoy them so that we can sell them related products. On my Patreon for example, what I’m selling is my knowledge - I’ll help you make music. Music is the ultimate entrepreneurial risk. I could’ve stayed in a factory job I guess, but 30 years on I’d probably still be making iced finger buns.
It is a bit like going back to the old days before recorded music. People just played and had an audience who heard music live. To hear it again you had to go to another gig. Musicians made a living from live performances, because that is all there was.
Except today we do have recorded music. And tons of it. Not to mention Ai appearing on the scene.
Yes, it's not easy.
I was reading about show shine guys in NYC and these days there are a lot less of them as everybody wears sneakers and not leather shoes.
I guess different professions come and go, or at least, change economically.
What is your motivation than? I believe creating and then editing and publishing the content is rather time consuming.
Motivations are varied and change over time. At the moment, not 100% sure frankly! I certainly would love to be able to make a bit more money from this 'hobby' and I hope that when I finally get round to starting some kind of Patreon or whatever, it will become a bit more viable at least in that regard.
This was kind of timely IMO. Like I said, I watch a lot of photography related channels on YouTube, and they seem to take a different tack compared to the music ones. This just came out today about how to approach making money from your videos from a very well known photography tuber. Person. Etc. But I think the advice applies a lot to people looking to do the same from their music channels (or Patreon):
Yes, some good points there, many of which align with things I've been thinking myself recently Tarekith, cheers!
Thank you for this. It was inspiring and gave me some interesting ideas to think over. Much appreciated.
While the dude looks super relatable and talented, the premise of this video seems kinda strange...
Why compete when you still have time to incorporate...? Like he says, you’ll always be the best vehicle to bring ‘real content’ but - as we already do on most field - offloading certain things to bots could work to your benefit.
Don’t know how it would look in this specific context, just a thought...
Definitely. I’d also hark back to the question posed earlier, “what is your motivation?”
To me these kind of questions are basically as unanswerable as the “why did you do X” kind of question. These kinds of questions are incredibly deep, and anyone who thinks otherwise has been reading too much Descartes 😂
For every answer to a ‘why’ question, there is another question as to why that is the answer. The threads of motivation are pretty much unfathomably deep. But to get less philosophical, I think there is probably a lot of truth to this guy’s statement that if you have 1000 true fans, you can possibly make a living from that. YouTube won’t be the answer, but other things could be.