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I finally treated myself to Premium and it’s absolutely beautiful, it would probably be the last thing I’d ever unsubscribe from now. Night and day as viewing experience.
Nice!
Oh my god! That’s hilarious! I’m checking the tweet now! 😂
I appreciate the point of this post, but I’m not watching ads. Full stop.
This situation sucks.
But I do have a suggestion.. Team up.
I guess content creators have a need to “do their own thing” but the ones I mostly watch are pretty all connected, buddies/friendly associates, (however you wanna put it).
I’m aware they try not to tread on each others toes too much and collab occasionally but maybe they should take working together up a notch?
Do a “Super Channel”. There’s clear experts in particular fields, varied age groups and genders, vibes etc.
And theres plenty of skill overlapping which helps to ensure coverage.
Do A workers co-operative democratically run. the money will have to be split unequally but democratically in some way, as practical and fair as possible.
I get that theres a huge variation of follower numbers, but theres no need to have an exclusive arrangement either. SonicState seems to do it anyhow.
Maybe leave some in pot for equipment, software, awaydays covering events etc.
People could maybe do less overall and greatly increase their quality. And expand and diversify.. instead of rushing? (like hundreds of others) to cover the latest thing in their niche.
Teaming up gives you leverage too. Manufacturers definitely make sure the quality??? big follower number??? channels get the goodies to demo/review.
Being a patreon to half a dozen or even a dozen channels.. I think many people just aren’t gonna do that.
In the audio world, most The “big boys” got bigger by teaming up.
I think a major part of the appeal for most youtubers lies in doing things themselves in their own way and on their own terms. I would definitely have absolutely zero interest in this, although I appreciate you taking the time to write it ♥. It all starts to sound like a bit of an office job at that point, with meetings, arguments bureaucracy, yuk, except an extemely poorly paid one, I mean not even like 3rd world farmer salary. Hard pass for me, wouldn't even have to think twice about, others might feel differently, and fair play to them if they do!
That's why most people also offer some other way to contribute, PayPal, Patreon, buying preset packs or whatever.
The Sound Test Room used to be a collaboration between three partners. They eventually went their own ways for some of those same reasons.
Do you use any of the many other ways to support a channel? Superchat? Super thanks? PayPal.me, merchandise, BandCamp etc..?
Just my feeling is this could only work if one person with a big brain and a lot of patience were to organise it. I can’t see it happening personally even though it does make a lot of sense. I’ve attempted collabs with other YouTubers a few times and they’ve never happened in the end. I’ve always thought in my case it’s probably because I have the smallest following so I’m benefiting more than they are. We do have a lot of great community spirit and friendships between some of the YouTubers in this community. During lockdown the connections were stronger but we’re all busier again now and it’s hard to keep in touch. It was great when I would get a FaceTime from Doug after breakfast and chat with Jakob on a Friday afternoon and Jade and I would chat frequently. I speak with Pete and Patrick now and then, Nu-Trix is friendly, so is Dean and Vortex has been a very good friend. Almost forgot Big Baby and Marcus Elbow - I haven’t spoken to them in ages but really nice guys. Gav, who’s here in this chat of course has always got time for me if I message him too. There are others I’ve reached out to to make a connection with but not heard anything back but I don’t sweat that. All of them have helped me to one extent or another. It was Doug who helped me get past the post to get monetised. Interviews on other peoples channels have been super helpful too. I started the iOS YouTubers Group on Facebook to try to bring us all together in one place - it needs some work - but it’s great - all the YouTubers that demo stuff in one place - a great place for people to ask questions and get help from the right people. Now, I don’t have time to watch every new video by all of these guys and retweet all their tweets, watch their instagrams etc.. and I feel bad about it. In lockdown I was on top of absolutely all this stuff. But now I feel a little outside of it all. It would be a full time job to really boss this iOS YouTuber thing and connect all the YouTubers and take this to the place I’d like to take it to. But the vast majority of people want the content for free, won’t even watch an ad. So it just isn’t viable.
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Great tutorials!
In practice, yup, It would be something totally different to running your own show. It’s got an ethos thats something else.. stronger together, beat “The Man” etc 😉
Myself, I subscribed to Youtube back in May 2018, not to avoid adverts at all but to watch Cobra Kai.
It was before I owned an Ipad, I was on a haitus from playing with synths etc.
At the time it seemed to open up a lot more music.. one example The Beatles couldn’t be accessed on free youtube at the time. It was a really good way to access a lot of music.
I’m a patreon of one channel, I buy the odd sample pack here and there (and I don’t need any more samples.. but It can be fun and inspiring).
Ive never known adverts whilst watching the channels I do, I guess I’m paying a little over £20 a month for yt and a patreon.. which is cheap as chips, fiver a week, but I’m paying as much as you could get Disney +, Netflix and another streaming subscription for… thats all a lot of people are gonna compare it too.. they’re wrong to, but.. even I just did it 🤣
I guess Really, people should just stump up a few quid. It all adds up.
Just quoting for reply purposes as im not 100% knowledgable how the forum works.
Yup, you and Gavinski are both right, my ideas a far fetched pipe dream for most.
Maybe downgrade my idea.. form an Association (a union by other words). Run a brief campaign together… to get those “even just a pound/dollar” subs.
And if it fails, do a two week or whatever “holiday” (strike). Mainly so people see the campaign.
Some people simply dont like subscribing (various reasons but an unauthorised overdraft happening for a sub is gonna hurt). So go for a yearly or 6 monthly big ask for a tenner off those.
Imagine the guitar gear youd get sent on a big channel though! It be like xmas every week 😉
I was thinking exactly that. Jakob Haq was part of it before going his own way.
Yeah - but people really really really like free: my 84 year old mother for example… out in the real-world she will happily sit & watch a street performer or a busker for half an hour yet she has pleaded with me - begged me even, literally begged me - to not give them money when I’ve gotten my wallet out (“they should get a job if they want to get paid, bloody scroungers…” 🙄😠)
This thread moved me to finally bite the bucket and get YouTube premium. Until I saw the price, sixteen quid a month? It used to be seven or eight. No bloody way man, I pay less than that for Mubi and Netflix combined and they pay for their content. Those cheeky fuckers can get to fuck, I really don’t get modern consumer culture, just bullshit on bullshit. Nothing but praise for those who create here and there but those grasping tech bro billionaires need some guillotines
What about the "Join" feature, has anyone tried it? I saw a desktop music youtuber using it.
Does that reduce the number ads at all?
Oh wow, I thought it was 10 bucks or something, yeah. Again, the best way to support is really to throw a few beans on PayPal, buy me a coffee or whatever from time to time, really. Due to PayPal fees btw, it's better to give bigger chunks less often than smaller chunks more regularly. YouTube super chat is one of the worst ways to give...YouTube take 30% I think, which is a bit of a pisstake.
Join is basically for youtubers who decide to provide some exclusive content or other perks on youtube. Again, the amount given to the actual youtuber is cut heavily by YouTube.
"Memberships are available at different price points, giving fans an option to sign up at a cost they can afford. The minimum starting price for a channel membership is $4.99USD per month, with a maximum of $49.99 per month. As it does with AdSense, YouTube will deduct a 30% share of your overall revenue."
I do often wonder if the best way for youtubers to make supplemental income is to start their own websites, like Venus Theory does. Patreon takes a 10% cut for very little effort on their part. They don't even drive any new people your way. Plus their payment processing - at least for PayPal payments - has been unreliable in the past, though it seems to be working better now. YouTube membership subscriptions have the advantage that people have less friction, in some ways, to set that up, but there are still issues with YouTube - eg. Even a few years since they were introduced, you still can't view community posts (which can also be made only readable to channel members) on the ipad app though you can on the android app 🤔. You can make a community post on the iPad app, but you can't view community posts in the app, lol. I mean, how hard is that to implement.
Again, though, if people were not watching YouTube behind adblockers, the situation would be a lot better, or at least somewhat better for iOS music youtubers. The problem is that this is a) a very niche crowd b) a very tech savvy crowd.
Why not use other platforms? As I mentioned early on in this thread, YouTube still rules the roost for building your follower base for long form content. Until something better comes along - and it should and maybe will - that's just the reality.
Samu mentioned survival of the fittest before. This analogy is not remotely applicable to a) YouTube b) modern society in general.
For the part about why it is not applicable to humans as a technologically advanced species with no parallels to animal apex predators, go look up some podcasts interviewing Daniel Schmachtenberger.
Doing well on youtube has little to do with quality of content, in some ways at least, but more about things like creating clickbait content, doing those silly thumbnails, and other things that have very little to do with how good the content is. Moreover, people who got in early have a big advantage - though less so now with the newer algorithms. They still have a psychological advantage in that, if people see a channel with 100k subscribers, they generally tend to assume that it must be worth subscribing to, especially if they're newbies. What they don't realise is that most of those subscribers are not even watching any more. They maybe subbed 10 years ago, never bothered unsubscribing, but also never watch any more.
But most importantly, even if you do ios YouTube full time for years, you'll still be struggling to survive, as evidenced by Doug's occasional videos pleading for donations. For the record, when he last did that I reached into my pockets pretty hard and gave him my last month's YouTube income. This despite the fact I rarely watch ios related YouTube - I'm more a manual guy.
Tldr: if people value ios music youtubers they can't expect that remuneration is going to equal the quality of content. Hence, donations and other things like buying presets etc are the only truly realistic way to keep this scene flourishing.
With 'survival of the fittest' I was mostly referring to adapting oneself to the rules that are at play...
...for Youtube it's definitely NOT high quality content but rather click-bait and silly faces and adapting to 'what's in' at the moment. (Ie. you're more likely succeed if you adapt yourself to the rules, if not it's bye bye).
This goes for most social media crap which is perfect for creating 'click-bait zombies' to breed on...
Click HERE to find out what Samu REALLY thinks of social media! ( You won’t believe gripe number seven!!))
Ha ha ha!!
🤣👍 Liked and subbed 😂
+1, well played @purpan2
(Although, to be honest, I mostly agree with you.)
I definitely think the route of paywalled presets and AUM setups from your videos would be a great way to encourage either small payments or Patreon subs, I’ve thought and said this many times… I’m not sure the pure YouTuber model is viable for many, there’s a few lucky ones who make a channel that has wide enough appeal to attract the kind of audiences that will support a modest income - there was one in the radio a couple of weeks back who got into wild camping a few years and built enough of an audience to take it full time after a few years.
He doesn’t make a fortune, but gets by, and that’s working with practically everyone as a possible punter, not a subset of a subset (musicians who use iOS for instance).
Myself, I’m an animator, I’ve done it for more than twenty five years, it took about six before I wasn’t doing another full time time job to actually exist, and I was lucky I think… I still make a living, but not as I choose; I do commercial work, arts work, education and documentary work, anything that pays the bills that won’t entirely eat my soul and hope that in there in between times I’ve got enough resources and energy to create what I’m passionate about and interested in.
Whether that ever brings in an actual income or not, I can’t afford the heart to expect, maybe just about how that I’m doing it enough to be find that lucky break, as it always comes down to that; you can be the best in the universe at anything but you still have to do it long and frequently enough that someone who might be interested and can move it on has their attention caught…
Being your own boss isn’t easy, they’re an asshole who can’t pay you what you deserve, and their expectations are beyond what you might be prepared to give, but it’s the only way I can be, and so when I’ve not got other bosses, I do my thing and try not to give a sick duck 😄
Lots of truth and sage advice here
That said, it's still worth pointing out to people - as Dave did in the original post - that they might want to think more deeply on this topic and whether their watching habits and / or tipping habits actually align with their appreciation for what they're getting.
It's £11.99.
Seems to be £15.99 on my account, £25.99 for the family option…
Obviously you're describing a subset of YouTube, or we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It also depends on what you mean by 'high quality'.
Well, I can't explain that
(My account says the Family option is £19.99.) BTW, I have seen some claims that you can sign up much cheaper using a VPN to pretend you live in a cheaper country 