DawnBeat can now host AuV3 Instruments!

eross

@FordTimeLord said:

@eross said:
is it possible to copy one pad to another. something like Koala does?

You can but it isn’t quite as immediate as Koala, you have to go to the pads manager in the menu:

Menu > Pads > Pads Manager

perfect thanks

HotStrange

@el_bo said:
Anyone know how many AU FX does it allow per pad?

I’ve never tried to max it out but I know I’ve used at least 5-6 on a pad before. So it might just be whatever your iPad can handle. It doesn’t explicitly say anywhere an exact amount.

el_bo

@HotStrange said:

@el_bo said:
Anyone know how many AU FX does it allow per pad?

I’ve never tried to max it out but I know I’ve used at least 5-6 on a pad before. So it might just be whatever your iPad can handle. It doesn’t explicitly say anywhere an exact amount.

Thanks!

I actually started getting quite into the free version, on my iPhone. I kept putting off the IAP as I started to come to the realisation that failing eyesight and having a tiny iPhone SE were soon going to put a stop to making music on my iPhone. The only exception has been Koala. Not only is it the most convenient way for me to keep (sung/hummed) audio memos while on the road, but it actually works so well in portrait mode that I can actually so minimal editing.

Dawnbeat is like Koala, but on the proverbial steroids. But with the extra functionality/flexibility came much more clutter and tiny screen elements. I guess it's that 'tale as old as time' trade-off between functionality and workflow. Koala is much more elegant and streamlined, but the AU hosting is a killer proposition.

Now that I know that it can handle chains of FX, my curiosity has once again been piqued (Also, when I checked this morning the IAP/Unlock is cheaper than it used to be). I just wonder if using this workflow on my iPad would click with me enough to make it worth trying.

oddSTAR

Where is the IAP purchase option? (Maybe I already bought it )

HotStrange

@el_bo said:

@HotStrange said:

@el_bo said:
Anyone know how many AU FX does it allow per pad?

I’ve never tried to max it out but I know I’ve used at least 5-6 on a pad before. So it might just be whatever your iPad can handle. It doesn’t explicitly say anywhere an exact amount.

Thanks!

I actually started getting quite into the free version, on my iPhone. I kept putting off the IAP as I started to come to the realisation that failing eyesight and having a tiny iPhone SE were soon going to put a stop to making music on my iPhone. The only exception has been Koala. Not only is it the most convenient way for me to keep (sung/hummed) audio memos while on the road, but it actually works so well in portrait mode that I can actually so minimal editing.

Dawnbeat is like Koala, but on the proverbial steroids. But with the extra functionality/flexibility came much more clutter and tiny screen elements. I guess it's that 'tale as old as time' trade-off between functionality and workflow. Koala is much more elegant and streamlined, but the AU hosting is a killer proposition.

Now that I know that it can handle chains of FX, my curiosity has once again been piqued (Also, when I checked this morning the IAP/Unlock is cheaper than it used to be). I just wonder if using this workflow on my iPad would click with me enough to make it worth trying.

Yep I believe the dev is having a sale at the moment.

FWIW, I really really like Dawnbeat and think it’s an amazing app, but it can’t touch Koala for me yet. I’m sure part of it is because I’ve used Koala for so long. And it has years of development behind it whereas Dawnbeat is still relatively new. So who knows where it’ll be 2-3 years from now.

I do enjoy both though, and have the SP-404 workflow with AU hosting is a killer proposition, and imo, totally worth the money. Dawnbeat does a lot of things that not many other apps do. The retroactive sequencer is fantastic, and all the built in effects are still super cool.

Koala is just such a killer app and so hard to beat. I use it for more experimental things and it’s so quick to get a good drone going. Dawnbeat is good for that too, but if I could choose only one, Koala would stay without a doubt.

mistercharlie

@HotStrange said:

Koala is just such a killer app and so hard to beat. I use it for more experimental things and it’s so quick to get a good drone going. Dawnbeat is good for that too, but if I could choose only one, Koala would stay without a doubt.

Same. Koala is also way better designed. It has a lot of the complexity of Dawnbeat, but is quicker and easier to use. Dawnbeat also misses (I think—perhaps there’s a setting?) Koala’s utter killer feature, the instant sampling just by tapping/holding a pad.

I discovered last night that you can use Koala’s multi-out in AUM to resample through AUs, which is going to open things up a lot.

HotStrange

@mistercharlie said:

@HotStrange said:

Koala is just such a killer app and so hard to beat. I use it for more experimental things and it’s so quick to get a good drone going. Dawnbeat is good for that too, but if I could choose only one, Koala would stay without a doubt.

Same. Koala is also way better designed. It has a lot of the complexity of Dawnbeat, but is quicker and easier to use. Dawnbeat also misses (I think—perhaps there’s a setting?) Koala’s utter killer feature, the instant sampling just by tapping/holding a pad.

I discovered last night that you can use Koala’s multi-out in AUM to resample through AUs, which is going to open things up a lot.

I’ll have to dig into the settings and see if that’s an option but I don’t recall seeing it. One cool thing they Dawnbeat and Wavebox can do is sample via screen recording. So you could screen record an AUM jam directly into one of the pads or use that feature to sample an app that lacks any connectivity. I know you can technically do that with any app but having that as a quick setting is cool.

I’m curious about your second point, what do you mean resample “through”?

el_bo

@HotStrange said:
but if I could choose only one, Koala would stay without a doubt.

I could see a lot of people making that choice. Might even have said the same, merely days ago. But if I think in terms of going really minimal, DB would seem to make more sense.

mistercharlie

@HotStrange said:

I’m curious about your second point, what do you mean resample “through”?

For instance, I can play one of Koala’s pads out through another FX app, and sample it back into the same instance of Koala, using Koala’s multi-out, and some fancy bus routing.

el_bo

@mistercharlie said:
Koala is also way better designed.

I much prefer the look of Koala. But in terms of better design, I guess it depends on which workflow suits.

On one hand, the convenience of instant dragging pads either to the bin or to merge to another pad is great. But if, like me, you're even slightly animated when performing in parts e.g finger-drumming, the sensitivity of the pad when triggering that functionality can be really frustrating. I much prefer DB's way of doing this i.e as a separate 'Pad Management' mode (although this is currently let down by being buried a few menus deep

I also prefer the power of on-app screen-recording to grab live performances and sending to pads. The only thing that's missing, for me, is an option for threshold-triggered recording. This would allow already edited loops to be more conveniently resample. At the moment, having to go back in to edit the sample start-point is a buzz-killer.

Lastly, 'hold-to-record' is a great feature, unless what you want to sample needs two free hands. Of course, Koala can do hands-free recording also. DB's way does involve one more key press to set the pad recording, but for me that's a small price to pay. Would definitely think the choice would be good though.

Again, to clarify...This is not about suggesting one is better than the other (Preference will very often supersede 'better' anyway). Just get the feeling DB is perhaps floundering in the shadows of Koala, when for many ic oukd indeed offer a better experience.

mistercharlie

I’m definitely keeping an eye on DB. I’m also aware that I’m way more familiar with Koala, so I have a positive bias towards it, and so on. I heard in another thread that Koala is about to get a big update involving sound design, which might be, as we say here, a game changier.

cyberheater

@mistercharlie said:
I heard in another thread that Koala is about to get a big update involving sound design, which might be, as we say here, a game changier.

Interesting indeed.

el_bo

@mistercharlie said:
I’m definitely keeping an eye on DB. I’m also aware that I’m way more familiar with Koala, so I have a positive bias towards it, and so on. I heard in another thread that Koala is about to get a big update involving sound design, which might be, as we say here, a game changier.

Perhaps it'll be getting it's own internal synth

cyberheater

I get a hard crash whenever I enable Ableton Sync. I’m forced to delete and re-download the app to continue. Anyone else?

I’m also using MIDI link sync

NeuM

@ALB said:
There is a separate section for the AUV effects. See Cuscolima’s post above to find the AUV instruments.

It’s just “AU” or “AUv3”. The “v” stands for “version”.

https://kb.audiomodeling.com/en/c/grow-your-knowledge/d/what-do-vst-au-aax-and-auv3-stand-for/

cokomairena

@mistercharlie said:

@HotStrange said:

Koala is just such a killer app and so hard to beat. I use it for more experimental things and it’s so quick to get a good drone going. Dawnbeat is good for that too, but if I could choose only one, Koala would stay without a doubt.

Same. Koala is also way better designed. It has a lot of the complexity of Dawnbeat, but is quicker and easier to use. Dawnbeat also misses (I think—perhaps there’s a setting?) Koala’s utter killer feature, the instant sampling just by tapping/holding a pad.

I discovered last night that you can use Koala’s multi-out in AUM to resample through AUs, which is going to open things up a lot.

Are you making like feedback a loop? Interesting

mistercharlie

@cokomairena said:

@mistercharlie said:

@HotStrange said:

Koala is just such a killer app and so hard to beat. I use it for more experimental things and it’s so quick to get a good drone going. Dawnbeat is good for that too, but if I could choose only one, Koala would stay without a doubt.

Same. Koala is also way better designed. It has a lot of the complexity of Dawnbeat, but is quicker and easier to use. Dawnbeat also misses (I think—perhaps there’s a setting?) Koala’s utter killer feature, the instant sampling just by tapping/holding a pad.

I discovered last night that you can use Koala’s multi-out in AUM to resample through AUs, which is going to open things up a lot.

Are you making like feedback a loop? Interesting

Yes, but because it’s using the separate outputs from Koala, there’s no actual feedback.

HotStrange

@mistercharlie said:

@HotStrange said:

I’m curious about your second point, what do you mean resample “through”?

For instance, I can play one of Koala’s pads out through another FX app, and sample it back into the same instance of Koala, using Koala’s multi-out, and some fancy bus routing.

Ooooo cool! Never tried that but sounds interesting. Thanks for the tip

ALB

@NeuM said:

@ALB said:
There is a separate section for the AUV effects. See Cuscolima’s post above to find the AUV instruments.

It’s just “AU” or “AUv3”. The “v” stands for “version”.

https://kb.audiomodeling.com/en/c/grow-your-knowledge/d/what-do-vst-au-aax-and-auv3-stand-for/

Thank you for enriching my life.

mistercharlie

@ALB said:

@NeuM said:

@ALB said:
There is a separate section for the AUV effects. See Cuscolima’s post above to find the AUV instruments.

It’s just “AU” or “AUv3”. The “v” stands for “version”.

https://kb.audiomodeling.com/en/c/grow-your-knowledge/d/what-do-vst-au-aax-and-auv3-stand-for/

Thank you for enriching my life.

EdZAB

+1 for DawnBeat here. I still rely on Koala for sampling beats and a smooth workflow, but DawnBeat has some really cool features. As stated, there's a lot of things it can do natively that Koala cannot, but at the cost of additional complexity to the menus and workflow, but it's really quite powerful as a standalone. Here's a few of the features I really like:

• Resampling a pad with effects is super easy - just press record, and it will automatically record whatever is played and you can then immediately slice/chop the recorded sample and load it into a pad.
• Play AUv3 instruments from the pads and apply effects to them just like a regular pad (as part of a bus).
• The pads can also be made expressive by using the x position to control pitch, retrigger on drag, pads can be linked and also put in a choke group type relation.
• Fully functional MIDI piano roll editor and the pads with AUv3 instruments can be edited as a piano roll within the piano roll (as a popup), and notes can be stacked on top of each other. No visuals for velocity or pitch though.
• MIDI in can trigger pads, including a pitch per pad and polyphonic playback including AUv3 enabled pads.
• Always active retrospective recording buffer - you can just experiment and then review the recent activity and then take a slice of it and convert it into a sequence. Very convenient.
• Blend, copy, append sequences
• MIDI in/out
• Since it's an AUv3 host itself and not an AUv3 module, it can't be loaded into AUM for example, but it includes Ableton link and it supports MIDI maps.

All that said, it's not without glitches - when I tried using with Xequence 2 and sending MIDI with Ableton Link enabled, it would crash. I'll be reporting that issue to the developer, but I have not had any major issues with it.

sonorafilms

I thought I would be able to use it as an AUv3 instrument inside Loopy Pro.

FesteringMike

For some reason I can’t get some AU3 instruments to work on the pads. Particularly riffler and Nintendo synth. The interface shows they are making a connection but no audio is coming out. Am I just being dumb or am I missing something?

HotStrange

@EdZAB said:
+1 for DawnBeat here. I still rely on Koala for sampling beats and a smooth workflow, but DawnBeat has some really cool features. As stated, there's a lot of things it can do natively that Koala cannot, but at the cost of additional complexity to the menus and workflow, but it's really quite powerful as a standalone. Here's a few of the features I really like:

• Resampling a pad with effects is super easy - just press record, and it will automatically record whatever is played and you can then immediately slice/chop the recorded sample and load it into a pad.
• Play AUv3 instruments from the pads and apply effects to them just like a regular pad (as part of a bus).
• The pads can also be made expressive by using the x position to control pitch, retrigger on drag, pads can be linked and also put in a choke group type relation.
• Fully functional MIDI piano roll editor and the pads with AUv3 instruments can be edited as a piano roll within the piano roll (as a popup), and notes can be stacked on top of each other. No visuals for velocity or pitch though.
• MIDI in can trigger pads, including a pitch per pad and polyphonic playback including AUv3 enabled pads.
• Always active retrospective recording buffer - you can just experiment and then review the recent activity and then take a slice of it and convert it into a sequence. Very convenient.
• Blend, copy, append sequences
• MIDI in/out
• Since it's an AUv3 host itself and not an AUv3 module, it can't be loaded into AUM for example, but it includes Ableton link and it supports MIDI maps.

All that said, it's not without glitches - when I tried using with Xequence 2 and sending MIDI with Ableton Link enabled, it would crash. I'll be reporting that issue to the developer, but I have not had any major issues with it.

I’ve had a few glitches and crashes myself but nothing show stopping. I agree with all your points. They both have their strengths and I’d hate to chose only one. It would be Koala if I HAD to, but Dawnbeat as quickly been working it’s way up to be among my favorite samplers. The AU hosting, piano roll, and retrospective recorder are great features. And being able to drag the pads. Also there are additional effects that can be swapped with the others, so you’re not limited to only the preset built in effects.

One last feature is the ability to sample directly from recording your screen, all natively in the app. So you don’t have to screen grab, edit that, and then import separately. Just hit record and it’s already sampling your screen into the slot.

HotStrange

@FesteringMike said:
For some reason I can’t get some AU3 instruments to work on the pads. Particularly riffler and Nintendo synth. The interface shows they are making a connection but no audio is coming out. Am I just being dumb or am I missing something?

You mean as in the new AudioKit app? I’ll rice them a shot and see what happens.

sonorafilms

@FesteringMike said:
For some reason I can’t get some AU3 instruments to work on the pads. Particularly riffler and Nintendo synth. The interface shows they are making a connection but no audio is coming out. Am I just being dumb or am I missing something?

I had the same problem with king of bass.
If you save the song, close the app and open it again it works.
Definitely a bug

FesteringMike

@sonorafilms said:

@FesteringMike said:
For some reason I can’t get some AU3 instruments to work on the pads. Particularly riffler and Nintendo synth. The interface shows they are making a connection but no audio is coming out. Am I just being dumb or am I missing something?

I had the same problem with king of bass.
If you save the song, close the app and open it again it works.
Definitely a bug

Yeah. That did it! Thanks

day_empire

Nice and loaded with features. I will delete it now as it is basically worthless for my workflow as it is not AUv3 or even IAA compatible. It needs to work in AUM. Maybe the packed UI makes it unusable as an AUv3.

HotStrange

@day_empire said:
Nice and loaded with features. I will delete it now as it is basically worthless for my workflow as it is not AUv3 or even IAA compatible. It needs to work in AUM. Maybe the packed UI makes it unusable as an AUv3.

You know it’s a host for other AUv3s right?

I wouldn’t say it’s even close to worthless. Really really great and powerful app. AU hosts can’t work within AUM. Can’t have a host within a host.

day_empire

@HotStrange said:

@day_empire said:
Nice and loaded with features. I will delete it now as it is basically worthless for my workflow as it is not AUv3 or even IAA compatible. It needs to work in AUM. Maybe the packed UI makes it unusable as an AUv3.

You know it’s a host for other AUv3s right?

I wouldn’t say it’s even close to worthless. Really really great and powerful app. AU hosts can’t work within AUM. Can’t have a host within a host.

Yes not worthless, has much potential. I'm spoiled by AUM tho. 😏