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Very cool Elsa update

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  • ervinervin

    @Stochastically said:
    It's capable of some unique and sometimes even lovely sounds but the UI and lack of explanation of how to use it drives me crazy. I wondered while struggling with it if the developer is actively trying to thwart my understanding in a strangely diabolical, almost sadistic way. Doesn't he want me to enjoy using it? That video referenced up above also just seems meant to obfuscate.

    You're not entirely wrong. 🙂

    For proof, here's my short convo with the maker of the video - plus note that both posts were liked by Erik, the dev himself. 😁 I am rather clueless with the wonderfully weird humbletune apps, but I like and respect both these guys.

  • wired2moonwired2moon
    edited April 2023

    @ervin said:

    @Stochastically said:
    It's capable of some unique and sometimes even lovely sounds but the UI and lack of explanation of how to use it drives me crazy. I wondered while struggling with it if the developer is actively trying to thwart my understanding in a strangely diabolical, almost sadistic way. Doesn't he want me to enjoy using it? That video referenced up above also just seems meant to obfuscate.

    You're not entirely wrong. 🙂

    For proof, here's my short convo with the maker of the video - plus note that both posts were liked by Erik, the dev himself. 😁 I am rather clueless with the wonderfully weird humbletune apps, but I like and respect both these guys.

    There’s a reason he calls himself PerplexOn 😉 I love the videos he makes, a massively creative individual

  • jrjuliusjrjulius

    @ervin I think a big challenge with the Humbletune apps is that the dev doesn’t provide an initialized patch, so it’s really hard to figure out why it’s behaving the way it is. Combine that with the aggressively non-skeuo interfaces and the learning curve can be steep.

    But to anyone that’s been turned off by the initial challenges, Elsa has been indispensable for me, and I even tend to reach for it over Tardigrain. The amount of rhythmic variation you can get out of a held chord is phenomenal without ever touching the arpeggiator.

    I think the new sequencer UI could still use a bit of work — even changing the colour of the keys to signify whether you’re selecting sequences or playing notes would make a huge difference — but being able to stack sequences is a clever and unexpected twist, and I’m excited to see what other surprises are hidden away.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:
    Is it worth a buy, now it’s been updated? Relatively cheap, but with half a ton of sample apps already, not to mention those built into apps such as Drambo, does it offer anything new or unique?

    Though obviously pretty, the video above doesn’t give much away, and aside from one posted 9 years ago, my YouTube search simply delivers a pile of clips from Frozen…

    Definitely. I finally bought it after all this time a few weeks ago and have been having a blast. This new update is just 🤌🏻🤌🏻 I’ve had most of his other apps for years but held off on the humble bundle for some reason. Highly recommended.

    Thanks. I actually really got into Tardigrain last night. Although confusing at first, the UI makes it a very playable instrument, so more interested in Elsa now.

    For sure. Tardigrain is an iOS classic as far as I’m concerned.

    Do you think there's much value in having Elsa as well, if I already have Tardigrain?

    The two don’t really compare... T is a granular synth, E is a sampler... both will ‘force’ you to think a little outside the box... so imo, yes.

    I’m nearly there…

    ‘Playback length dividers, 1-8’ - does this mean you can create points on the sample, and trigger these independently somehow from the main sample start point?

    So a bit like reSlice, for example.

    If it can, then that’s a really useful feature.

  • GavinskiGavinski
    edited April 2023

    @monz0id said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:
    Is it worth a buy, now it’s been updated? Relatively cheap, but with half a ton of sample apps already, not to mention those built into apps such as Drambo, does it offer anything new or unique?

    Though obviously pretty, the video above doesn’t give much away, and aside from one posted 9 years ago, my YouTube search simply delivers a pile of clips from Frozen…

    Definitely. I finally bought it after all this time a few weeks ago and have been having a blast. This new update is just 🤌🏻🤌🏻 I’ve had most of his other apps for years but held off on the humble bundle for some reason. Highly recommended.

    Thanks. I actually really got into Tardigrain last night. Although confusing at first, the UI makes it a very playable instrument, so more interested in Elsa now.

    For sure. Tardigrain is an iOS classic as far as I’m concerned.

    Do you think there's much value in having Elsa as well, if I already have Tardigrain?

    The two don’t really compare... T is a granular synth, E is a sampler... both will ‘force’ you to think a little outside the box... so imo, yes.

    I’m nearly there…

    ‘Playback length dividers, 1-8’ - does this mean you can create points on the sample, and trigger these independently somehow from the main sample start point?

    So a bit like reSlice, for example.

    If it can, then that’s a really useful feature.

    Yeah this is an extremely cool feature Monzo - basically you can set start and end points for any sample. Then you have these dividers. What they do is this:

    Choosing 1 will play the whole length. Choosing 2 will play half of it, etc. You can highlight various ones. For example if you highlight all of them, and select the sequential mode, the first note you play will trigger the whole thing from start to end. The next will trigger only the first half, and so on. But there's also a random mode, which will just pick randomly from the highlighted selections with each note press.

    At the price, I wouldn't even think twice about picking up Elsa. It's highly unique and creative.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    A lot of apps you can experiment with with a held note. To understand elsa, you need to keep retriggering notes as the strange way it can retrigger things is such a unique and important aspect of the app.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    This function described above, combined with the arp and sequencer leads to some highly unpredictable and mind bending results!

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence
    edited April 2023

    Oops.. double post...

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:
    Is it worth a buy, now it’s been updated? Relatively cheap, but with half a ton of sample apps already, not to mention those built into apps such as Drambo, does it offer anything new or unique?

    Though obviously pretty, the video above doesn’t give much away, and aside from one posted 9 years ago, my YouTube search simply delivers a pile of clips from Frozen…

    Definitely. I finally bought it after all this time a few weeks ago and have been having a blast. This new update is just 🤌🏻🤌🏻 I’ve had most of his other apps for years but held off on the humble bundle for some reason. Highly recommended.

    Thanks. I actually really got into Tardigrain last night. Although confusing at first, the UI makes it a very playable instrument, so more interested in Elsa now.

    For sure. Tardigrain is an iOS classic as far as I’m concerned.

    Do you think there's much value in having Elsa as well, if I already have Tardigrain?

    The two don’t really compare... T is a granular synth, E is a sampler... both will ‘force’ you to think a little outside the box... so imo, yes.

    I’m nearly there…

    ‘Playback length dividers, 1-8’ - does this mean you can create points on the sample, and trigger these independently somehow from the main sample start point?

    So a bit like reSlice, for example.

    If it can, then that’s a really useful feature.

    Not exactly like ReSlice... maybe less streamlined but more capable, allowing more experimentation... here are the relevant bits from help...

  • gravytopgravytop

    @HotStrange said:

    @supadom said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @israelite said:
    What a cool app. Just got it. More fun than Samplr. And IT IS AUv3!

    Oof idk if I can go that far 😂 Samplr would be a top 10 if not too 5 app for me. But I have been really really enjoying ELSA.

    Agreed. Samplr strikes just the right balance, for live sample manipulation it’s an easy number 1 for me. It’s a pity it is slowly vanishing from my set up.

    When I use Samplr I’m using staying within the app so not being AU isn’t a huge thing for me, I just hope it comes some point when apple finally does away with IAA completely.

    Gee,I know some people openly despise IAA to a degree I normally reserve for things like dental surgery or chicken tenders, but unless you are a developer (apologies if you are), why would you look forward to the day when none of those apps even launch anymore? I'd miss Shoom and more than a few others others a lot, and I'm wondering how you will benefit from its death.

  • gravytopgravytop
    edited April 2023

    Happy to realize I already own this app -- I was afraid I would have to break my purchase moratorium again, and so soon. I guess I purchased the bundle once, and had given up on deciphering E-L-S-A after being distracted by something new, flashy, and oh-so-simple. It's like a gift when this happens.

    *I think this brings something new to the sampler table, which is that humbletone sound, shared by, e.g., Tardigrain. It's a haunting kind of "empty and abandoned warehouse" quality that lurks around the notes, and I love it.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:
    Is it worth a buy, now it’s been updated? Relatively cheap, but with half a ton of sample apps already, not to mention those built into apps such as Drambo, does it offer anything new or unique?

    Though obviously pretty, the video above doesn’t give much away, and aside from one posted 9 years ago, my YouTube search simply delivers a pile of clips from Frozen…

    Definitely. I finally bought it after all this time a few weeks ago and have been having a blast. This new update is just 🤌🏻🤌🏻 I’ve had most of his other apps for years but held off on the humble bundle for some reason. Highly recommended.

    Thanks. I actually really got into Tardigrain last night. Although confusing at first, the UI makes it a very playable instrument, so more interested in Elsa now.

    For sure. Tardigrain is an iOS classic as far as I’m concerned.

    Do you think there's much value in having Elsa as well, if I already have Tardigrain?

    The two don’t really compare... T is a granular synth, E is a sampler... both will ‘force’ you to think a little outside the box... so imo, yes.

    I’m nearly there…

    ‘Playback length dividers, 1-8’ - does this mean you can create points on the sample, and trigger these independently somehow from the main sample start point?

    So a bit like reSlice, for example.

    If it can, then that’s a really useful feature.

    Yeah this is an extremely cool feature Monzo - basically you can set start and end points for any sample. Then you have these dividers. What they do is this:

    Choosing 1 will play the whole length. Choosing 2 will play half of it, etc. You can highlight various ones. For example if you highlight all of them, and select the sequential mode, the first note you play will trigger the whole thing from start to end. The next will trigger only the first half, and so on. But there's also a random mode, which will just pick randomly from the highlighted selections with each note press.

    At the price, I wouldn't even think twice about picking up Elsa. It's highly unique and creative.

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:
    Is it worth a buy, now it’s been updated? Relatively cheap, but with half a ton of sample apps already, not to mention those built into apps such as Drambo, does it offer anything new or unique?

    Though obviously pretty, the video above doesn’t give much away, and aside from one posted 9 years ago, my YouTube search simply delivers a pile of clips from Frozen…

    Definitely. I finally bought it after all this time a few weeks ago and have been having a blast. This new update is just 🤌🏻🤌🏻 I’ve had most of his other apps for years but held off on the humble bundle for some reason. Highly recommended.

    Thanks. I actually really got into Tardigrain last night. Although confusing at first, the UI makes it a very playable instrument, so more interested in Elsa now.

    For sure. Tardigrain is an iOS classic as far as I’m concerned.

    Do you think there's much value in having Elsa as well, if I already have Tardigrain?

    The two don’t really compare... T is a granular synth, E is a sampler... both will ‘force’ you to think a little outside the box... so imo, yes.

    I’m nearly there…

    ‘Playback length dividers, 1-8’ - does this mean you can create points on the sample, and trigger these independently somehow from the main sample start point?

    So a bit like reSlice, for example.

    If it can, then that’s a really useful feature.

    Not exactly like ReSlice... maybe less streamlined but more capable, allowing more experimentation... here are the relevant bits from help...

    Thanks both - that’s me in then!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @monz0id said:
    Is it worth a buy, now it’s been updated? Relatively cheap, but with half a ton of sample apps already, not to mention those built into apps such as Drambo, does it offer anything new or unique?

    Though obviously pretty, the video above doesn’t give much away, and aside from one posted 9 years ago, my YouTube search simply delivers a pile of clips from Frozen…

    Definitely. I finally bought it after all this time a few weeks ago and have been having a blast. This new update is just 🤌🏻🤌🏻 I’ve had most of his other apps for years but held off on the humble bundle for some reason. Highly recommended.

    Thanks. I actually really got into Tardigrain last night. Although confusing at first, the UI makes it a very playable instrument, so more interested in Elsa now.

    For sure. Tardigrain is an iOS classic as far as I’m concerned.

    Do you think there's much value in having Elsa as well, if I already have Tardigrain?

    The two don’t really compare... T is a granular synth, E is a sampler... both will ‘force’ you to think a little outside the box... so imo, yes.

    I’m nearly there…

    ‘Playback length dividers, 1-8’ - does this mean you can create points on the sample, and trigger these independently somehow from the main sample start point?

    So a bit like reSlice, for example.

    If it can, then that’s a really useful feature.

    Not exactly like ReSlice... maybe less streamlined but more capable, allowing more experimentation... here are the relevant bits from help...

    The sample mode part is one of the most confusing for me. Can anyone clarify how it works?

    How do you use start / stop for separate notes or octaves? Haven't really played with these much, and the whole concept is super confusing to me.

  • GrandbearGrandbear

    @Gavinski said:
    The sample mode part is one of the most confusing for me. Can anyone clarify how it works?

    How do you use start / stop for separate notes or octaves? Haven't really played with these much, and the whole concept is super confusing to me.

    If you're using "per note" mode, then you just play a note and then set the start/end markers for it (it'll be numbered 0 through 11 for each note in an octave) if you play the same note in a different octave you'll notice that the markers remain in the same position you defined. In "per octave" mode the start/end markers are defined for each octave.

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    @Gavinski
    The 3 modes:

    • same start/stop for all keys (keyboard icon)
    • start/stop for same key - so set a portion of sample for C and all C keys will play back this portion, basically allowing you to set 12 different regions (cylinder icon)
    • start/stop for same octave - allowing you set different regions on different octaves (rectangle icon)
  • GavinskiGavinski

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    @Gavinski
    The 3 modes:

    • same start/stop for all keys (keyboard icon)
    • start/stop for same key - so set a portion of sample for C and all C keys will play back this portion, basically allowing you to set 12 different regions (cylinder icon)
    • start/stop for same octave - allowing you set different regions on different octaves (rectangle icon)

    Thanks! But what is the actual process once you press the icons for same note / octave?

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    and not to forget that you can offset pitch for each key/region... so with everything together it can do a lot of different things, depending on what your needs are.

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    @Gavinski said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    @Gavinski
    The 3 modes:

    • same start/stop for all keys (keyboard icon)
    • start/stop for same key - so set a portion of sample for C and all C keys will play back this portion, basically allowing you to set 12 different regions (cylinder icon)
    • start/stop for same octave - allowing you set different regions on different octaves (rectangle icon)

    Thanks! But what is the actual process once you press the icons for same note / octave?

    Hit key (note the marker index changing at start point), set the start/stop points, hit next key (if in same note mode) or next octave (if in same octave mode), index will change, set another region, etc.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited April 2023

    Ok, purchased - feedback after a half hour play - completely mad, but getting some really nice, interesting sounds from it.

    Definitely different!

    15 minutes more noodling later - really impressed.

  • MrStochasticMrStochastic
    edited April 2023

    @ervin
    You're not entirely wrong. 🙂

    It seems worth pursuing but my head gets sore butting it against the wall so much.

    Maybe by pooling our efforts together here on this thread some progress will be made.

    The thing that set me off yesterday was when, per his help suggestion, I searched for humbletunes web site and could only find info on Rymdigr with no links or any mention of elsa. Later I found out it required a deeper search but sheesh.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Like said @Gavinski it is a Puzzle to do , a challenge to win but at the end you got a great apps and great sounds.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    @Gavinski
    The 3 modes:

    • same start/stop for all keys (keyboard icon)
    • start/stop for same key - so set a portion of sample for C and all C keys will play back this portion, basically allowing you to set 12 different regions (cylinder icon)
    • start/stop for same octave - allowing you set different regions on different octaves (rectangle icon)

    Thanks! But what is the actual process once you press the icons for same note / octave?

    Hit key (note the marker index changing at start point), set the start/stop points, hit next key (if in same note mode) or next octave (if in same octave mode), index will change, set another region, etc.

    Thank you, I'll try this. As @BerlinFx says, part of the fun is figuring these things out. At least I try to tell myself this as I struggle with the minutae of these apps 😂

  • GavinskiGavinski

    I'm also confounded by the 'chord' mode. It changes the keyboard but what is it doing exactly? Why is it called chord instead of scale? I'm also having difficulty, after dragging it, to get it to go back to 'full'

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Gavinski said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    @Gavinski
    The 3 modes:

    • same start/stop for all keys (keyboard icon)
    • start/stop for same key - so set a portion of sample for C and all C keys will play back this portion, basically allowing you to set 12 different regions (cylinder icon)
    • start/stop for same octave - allowing you set different regions on different octaves (rectangle icon)

    Thanks! But what is the actual process once you press the icons for same note / octave?

    Hit key (note the marker index changing at start point), set the start/stop points, hit next key (if in same note mode) or next octave (if in same octave mode), index will change, set another region, etc.

    Thank you, I'll try this. As @BerlinFx says, part of the fun is figuring these things out. At least I try to tell myself this as I struggle with the minutae of these apps 😂

    Problem is with this, is that:

    1. it’s not fun.

    I’ve been enjoying this, until I tried to use the sequencer. It’s not covered by the help section, and after being advised by the pop-up to visit his website for more help - about as easy to navigate as his apps - there isn’t any (unless I couldn’t find it).

    So after stumbling around on the app, trying to work out how the sequencer worked…

    1. my earlier enjoyment faded, and I’m now frustrated.

    And of course as well as people like me with very little spare time getting cheesed-off because there’s no tutorials or help files giving me a leg-up…

    1. potential purchasers don’t know about some of its unique features, and so it’s being under-sold.

    And I still don’t know how to use the sequencer!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Yes. These apps deserve a manual. The dev speak good English so the lack of decent manuals is bizarre to me

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited April 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    Yes. These apps deserve a manual. The dev speak good English so the lack of decent manuals is bizarre to me

    Edit: just found this page, via a link on the App Store page (well of course!!):

    http://www.humbletune.com/elsa/

    Bit skimpy on detail, but better than nowt.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    To tell the true I spend enough time with Tardigrain and Rymdigare, for pretty good surprise but not easy to understand and n9 help except the video of @Gavinski onnTardigrain. IELSA is around 7 USD so price is fine but I got 3 very good sampler it s enough for me. I got no energy to learn Elsa after Tardigrain and Rymdigare ..lol

    I keep Tardigrain and Rymdigare and I forget about any new samplers.

    Apps from this guy are not for everyone, you need a QI120 and love very complex apps to understand not the king of apps you use in 15 minutes to do a decent sounds.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited April 2023

    .

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence
    edited April 2023

    I think it’s intentional to encourage experimentation...

    For programming I prefer host keyboard to avoid accidents.

    I use the built in keyboard for ARPed things generally in hold mode; Chord mode (drag up/down) - bass note on the left (drag up/down to shift octave); as long as bass note held (in hold mode) you can add notes to ARP

    Sequencer - 3 modes:

    • off: normal operation - play the sampler via keyboard
    • record: enter notes into the sequencer via keyboard; will auto forward on each entered note; tap on a step to select it or add rest
    • play: you have 12 sequencers in total, but can switch to single seq as well. C3-B3 will start each sequencer, beyond that range up/down you transpose the sequences.

    Some things that weren’t obvious for me when I started...
    Envelope stages - look out for the popup to see what it says, for most stages it kinda works upside down :)
    Bit crush and Filter effects have dry/wet parameter and modulation (LFO) built in

    On the last picture France = freq :)

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @0tolerance4silence said:
    I think it’s intentional to encourage experimentation...

    For programming I prefer host keyboard to avoid accidents.

    I use the built in keyboard for ARPed things generally in hold mode; Chord mode (drag up/down) - bass note on the left (drag up/down to shift octave); as long as bass note held (in hold mode) you can add notes to ARP

    Sequencer - 3 modes:

    • off: normal operation - play the sampler via keyboard
    • record: enter notes into the sequencer via keyboard; will auto forward on each entered note; tap on a step to select it or add rest
    • play: you have 12 sequencers in total, but can switch to single seq as well. C3-B3 will start each sequencer, beyond that range up/down you transpose the sequences.

    Some things that weren’t obvious for me when I started...
    Envelope stages - look out for the popup to see what it says, for most stages it kinda works upside down :)
    Bit crush and Filter effects have dry/wet parameter and modulation (LFO) built in

    On the last picture France = freq :)

    Thanks for this - it’s helped me work out where I was going wrong with the sequencer - I had it on multi-sequence mode.

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