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GAME CHANGER??? Rick Beato shares how AI music will thrust the current music hierarchy into chaos

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  • NeuMNeuM

    @Gavinski said:

    @cyberheater said:
    I currently have a very pessimistic view of the Titanic impact that A.I will have on our lives and I’m not normally a pessimist.

    Have you read Yuval Harari 21 Lessons for the 21st Century? Written a few years ago, so 'BChatGPT' lol. But has some very interesting sections on how he thinks the whole thing will play out. After reading that, my prediction is that in developed countries AI's devastating impact on the job market will force the introduction of a universal basic income. However, poor countries - and that includes a hella big chunk of the world - will basically get left behind and have no way to claw themselves out of that hole. Think there are problems with immigration now? Wait til the twin bombs of climate change and AI hit. It'll be like in that movie, Children of Men. Very scary.

    I don’t agree with this prediction. Why? Because it’s going to affect everyone in the same way at every economic level. Everyone will have access to the most powerful machine learning/A.I. systems in the world, mostly for free. And nearly all white-collar jobs will be replicable and replaceable with automation. Anything that can be digitized has been going this way for a long time.

    Jobs which require physical dexterity will last a bit longer, but with very recent advances in robotics I don't think that's going to continue much longer. The most labor intensive tasks (in my opinion) might be gone in 10-20 years, tops. But supply and demand are still real things and markets will shift accordingly. People will be doing different things, that's all.

  • SimonSimon

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Sam23 said:
    https://youtu.be/Q83fHq8I_4Y

    This is such a crap, pale imitation of late-period Beatles. Which is another way of saying this is not an AI creation but is a solo Paul McCartney track from 2013.

    Not sure it is meant to be "The Beatles", as such.

    I think it was demoing Ai making a younger voiced Paul and also being a bit cheeky by adding John singing a Paul song that was written 30 years after John's death.

    You can take the backing track of Sinatra's "Strangers In The Night" and use Ai to replace the vocals with fake "Beatles vocals", but it is nothing like what The Beatles would have done had they recorded that song.

    Good examples are "Red Sails In The Sunset" or "The Sheik Of Araby", both oldies that The Beatles did versions of. But they changed the whole song to make it an early 1960s beat group sound and arrangement.

    I guess Ai will be able to do that one day too...

  • belldubelldu

    @raabje said:

    @Simon said:
    Will we be able to one day type in "make me a drum app like Drum Machine" and the Ai generates an app for us to download?

    "Make me an app like Blocs Wave but as an AUv3".

    "Make me an app like AUM with more faders on the screen at one time".

    "Make me a version of NanoStudio with audio tracks".

    Well on a side note, and a lower level, I asked ChatGPT to generate Mozaic code, like, "write a Mozaic code to generate a random blues lick", and it gives in return some code building blocks and advice how to use it.

    But I am not a programmer so I have no clue yet if these AI code works in Mozaic. I have no time yet to put some work in it.

    It's not Mozaic code and looks more like Javascript to me, but its easily translatable to Mozaic for someone who knows the language

  • SimonSimon

    @NeuM said:
    But supply and demand are still real things and markets will shift accordingly. People will be doing different things, that's all.

    Yeah, they will be queuing up the dole office. LOL :smiley:

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    But supply and demand are still real things and markets will shift accordingly. People will be doing different things, that's all.

    Yeah, they will be queuing up the dole office. LOL :smiley:

    But people do that now, anyway.

  • SimonSimon

    @NeuM said:

    @Simon said:

    Yeah, they will be queuing up the dole office. LOL :smiley:

    But people do that now, anyway.

    But the que is set to get a lot longer.

    Over the last 30 years half the work has gone to China. Now the other half will go to Ai.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited May 2023

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Simon said:

    Yeah, they will be queuing up the dole office. LOL :smiley:

    But people do that now, anyway.

    But the que is set to get a lot longer.

    Over the last 30 years half the work has gone to China. Now the other half will go to Ai.

    Yes, robots (combined with extremely powerful machine learning/A.I.) will be doing most of the work in a few decades. Invest in the companies best suited to take advantage and you'll be fine. ;)

    By (roughly) 2045 a single desktop computer will have at its disposal the power of all human brains which have ever existed. That's when you'll want to worry.

  • SimonSimon

    @NeuM said:
    Yes, robots (combined with extremely powerful machine learning/A.I.) will be doing most of the work in a few decades. Invest in the companies best suited to take advantage and you'll be fine. ;)

    I might be fine but the rest of society goes down the drain.

    If you are the only rich person in town and everyone else is starving you better watch your back :smiley:

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    Yes, robots (combined with extremely powerful machine learning/A.I.) will be doing most of the work in a few decades. Invest in the companies best suited to take advantage and you'll be fine. ;)

    I might be fine but the rest of society goes down the drain.

    If you are the only rich person in town and everyone else is starving you better watch your back :smiley:

    Why would "society go down the drain"? I just told you most of the work we know today will be automated. You literally won't have to do anything if you don't want to.

  • SimonSimon

    @NeuM said:
    Why would "society go down the drain"? I just told you most of the work we know today will be automated. You literally won't have to do anything if you don't want to.

    OK. So you are thinking that we'll get some form of "basic wage" but not have to work?

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited May 2023

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:
    Why would "society go down the drain"? I just told you most of the work we know today will be automated. You literally won't have to do anything if you don't want to.

    OK. So you are thinking that we'll get some form of "basic wage" but not have to work?

    Yes, that's already being planned by "the conspirators" 😉 and the first countries (Germany) are introducing it ("Bürgergeld" = "Citizens' money". Yes yes they'll keep telling you that you have to try hard to find a job anyway etc. but if you don't, they'll reduce your income only by max 15% or something and they're paying your whole rent / heating / etc. in full anyway).

  • heshes
    edited May 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @cyberheater said:
    I currently have a very pessimistic view of the Titanic impact that A.I will have on our lives and I’m not normally a pessimist.

    Have you read Yuval Harari 21 Lessons for the 21st Century? Written a few years ago, so 'BChatGPT' lol. But has some very interesting sections on how he thinks the whole thing will play out. After reading that, my prediction is that in developed countries AI's devastating impact on the job market will force the introduction of a universal basic income. However, poor countries - and that includes a hella big chunk of the world - will basically get left behind and have no way to claw themselves out of that hole. Think there are problems with immigration now? Wait til the twin bombs of climate change and AI hit. It'll be like in that movie, Children of Men. Very scary.

    I'm a big fan of Harari. I've recommended him to friends and acquaintances for years, but so I've been a little disappointed. Nobody seems to think he's quite as brilliant as I do. And I live in Seattle, WA a pretty liberal place where many people's worldview seems to me already similar to Harari's.

    Anyway, I wanted to make a small comment about you saying Harari says "how he thinks the whole thing will play out". I've seen some criticism recently about Harari being some kind of guru and making predictions about the future. I think this is very far from the truth.

    Harari is quite careful to say, over and over, that he's not predicting anything. Any technological advancements can be used in both good and bad ways. Harari is merely trying to draw people's attention to the possible ways things can play out, so now, before they happen, people can collectively make decisions to try to avoid things trending badly. The decisions people make will affect how the future plays out -- he emphasizes that again and again -- and it seems to me he's devoted his life to trying to educate people so they can make the right decisions. (I do admit he seems generally pessimistic, but I think the overall vibe of his whole project is optimistic: our decisions can control the future, and make it better.) Okay, now I step off my Harari soapbox. . . .

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    Rick Beato's videos are always a treat. I may not always agree with everything he says, but he's cool. Love his music.

    That said, AI can never replace the feeling of someone performing live right in front of you. Performing piano is how I make my bread.

    AI art generators still can't get hands right to save its artificial life. 😂 (Then again, it took me years to get hands and feet looking right, so eh. 🤣)

  • wimwim
    edited May 2023

    @supadom said:
    ... We cannot spend money we don’t have.

    You obviously haven't followed how the US government has operated the past few decades very closely. 😂😐🤔😢🤐

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @wim said:

    @supadom said:
    ... We cannot spend money we don’t have.

    You obviously haven't followed how the US government has operated the past few decades very closely. 😂😐🤔😢🤐

    🤣🤣🤣 Facts!

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited May 2023

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    Rick Beato's videos are always a treat. I may not always agree with everything he says, but he's cool. Love his music.

    That said, AI can never replace the feeling of someone performing live right in front of you. Performing piano is how I make my bread.

    AI art generators still can't get hands right to save its artificial life. 😂 (Then again, it took me years to get hands and feet looking right, so eh. 🤣)

    You sure about that? (forward to the 4:00 minute mark)...

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    Rick Beato's videos are always a treat. I may not always agree with everything he says, but he's cool. Love his music.

    That said, AI can never replace the feeling of someone performing live right in front of you. Performing piano is how I make my bread.

    AI art generators still can't get hands right to save its artificial life. 😂 (Then again, it took me years to get hands and feet looking right, so eh. 🤣)

    You sure about that? (forward to the 4:00 minute mark)...

    Maybe in a big performance venue with a stage like that, sure. But not in an intimate setting like the small restaurant I perform at where I get to personally interact with the customers who love my selection of tunes. I'm not into the whole "worldwide fame" scene. ☺️

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited May 2023

    I try to be optimistic now and think this will primarily push people to go beyond their perceived limitations (as individuals/as humans/as a culture/society etc) and achieve even greater things. > @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    Rick Beato's videos are always a treat. I may not always agree with everything he says, but he's cool. Love his music.

    That said, AI can never replace the feeling of someone performing live right in front of you. Performing piano is how I make my bread.

    AI art generators still can't get hands right to save its artificial life. 😂 (Then again, it took me years to get hands and feet looking right, so eh. 🤣)

    Nah man, there is a stable diffusion control net for hands now.

  • SNystromSNystrom

    @AudioGus said: “I try to be optimistic now and think this will primarily push people to go beyond their perceived limitations (as individuals/as humans/as a culture/society etc) and achieve even greater things.”

    I was watching New York Times columnist David Brooks on TV tonight.

    He’s been studying AI for over six months now, and one of his findings was that after IBM’s “Deep Blue” defeated Garry Kasparov back in 1997, world-class chess players began focusing on AI chess programs to rapidly improve their skills well beyond where they would be without such knowledge.

    Just imagine what a properly musically infused AI engine could teach not only self-trained musical neophytes, but the worlds greatest musicians as well?

  • rs2000rs2000

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    Rick Beato's videos are always a treat. I may not always agree with everything he says, but he's cool. Love his music.

    That said, AI can never replace the feeling of someone performing live right in front of you. Performing piano is how I make my bread.

    AI art generators still can't get hands right to save its artificial life. 😂 (Then again, it took me years to get hands and feet looking right, so eh. 🤣)

    You sure about that? (forward to the 4:00 minute mark)...

    WTF! Is this for real? 😂

  • sevenapesevenape

  • supadomsupadom

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @wim said:

    @supadom said:
    ... We cannot spend money we don’t have.

    You obviously haven't followed how the US government has operated the past few decades very closely. 😂😐🤔😢🤐

    🤣🤣🤣 Facts!

    Absolutely, they’ve been doing it for a while now but they’re getting closer to the bone. Watch this space.

  • wimwim

    Yep. Shit gotta hit the fan someday.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @monz0id said:
    The music world is already in chaos, due to loss of earnings courtesy of poor streaming revenue and illegal downloads. I can’t see millions of shite sounding Poundshop Oasis albums on bandcamp making much of a difference.

    As they do now, bands will make most of their income playing live, and selling merch. You can’t AI that (unless you’re ABBA).

    A lot of graft in that ABBA show, by dedicated, talented and experienced show people, not sure there’s any AI…

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited May 2023

    @Krupa said:

    @monz0id said:
    The music world is already in chaos, due to loss of earnings courtesy of poor streaming revenue and illegal downloads. I can’t see millions of shite sounding Poundshop Oasis albums on bandcamp making much of a difference.

    As they do now, bands will make most of their income playing live, and selling merch. You can’t AI that (unless you’re ABBA).

    A lot of graft in that ABBA show, by dedicated, talented and experienced show people, not sure there’s any AI…

    Future virtual performances could include AI generated video tat, with a nod to an ABBA-esque style ‘concert’ where the musicians aren’t actually present.

    But that was my point really, you can’t replicate what ABBA have done via AI without investing large sums of cash and time.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @monz0id said:

    @Krupa said:

    @monz0id said:
    The music world is already in chaos, due to loss of earnings courtesy of poor streaming revenue and illegal downloads. I can’t see millions of shite sounding Poundshop Oasis albums on bandcamp making much of a difference.

    As they do now, bands will make most of their income playing live, and selling merch. You can’t AI that (unless you’re ABBA).

    A lot of graft in that ABBA show, by dedicated, talented and experienced show people, not sure there’s any AI…

    Future virtual performances could include AI generated video tat, with a nod to an ABBA-esque style ‘concert’ where the musicians aren’t actually present.

    But that was my point really, you can’t replicate what ABBA have done via AI without investing large sums of cash and time.

    Yeah, I get that, though I still think the good stuff that people really like will take human creativity and thinking to engage. Most of the AI stuff I see, it’s good in a technical sense but I still haven’t seen much that resonated. I’m more and more seeing it in the same way photoshop et al were ridiculed and seen as somehow invalid for decades, but now that’s the old guard, and part of tradition… these machines have a long long way to go before they’re anything like intelligent, they’re still just misnomered machine learning algorithms for now.

  • sevenapesevenape

    It will go full circle and people will play folk music in taverns. Except iPad instead of fiddles

  • SimonSimon

    @NeuM said:
    You sure about that? (forward to the 4:00 minute mark)...

    Do you think they are lip-syncing? The vocals are very good considering they are dancing around the stage a lot. :smiley:

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    From a thread on Reddit.

    I'm a software engineer with 20+ years of experience.
    As a test today, I had a sub-project that needed to get done, and I thought I would explain the requirements, step by step, to GPT-4 and just see what it would come up with. I've never tried to have it work directly from a spec, which was broken down into 16 requirements.
    I wasn't expecting much.
    It wrote all of the code (which in this case is in a framework called Angular and it is not the simplest thing in the world). It created the entire UI. It styled it properly. It knew the details of 3rd party libraries that we integrate with and properly wrote the code to communicate with them too.
    From literally plain English requirements to a functional sub-system, consiting of multiple different dynamic web pages and components, that I could essentially just drop into our project.
    It took it 30 seconds, and that was only because it took time to actually write it all out to the screen. After a careful review and testing it? 10 minutes tops.
    This would have easily taken a senior developer at least 2 days to do.
    So, as the lead on this project, only certain aspects of my job are safe.
    When will it be able to fully replace me? It lacks understanding about the big picture architecture. This was a smaller piece of a very large puzzle. 2030 maybe?
    For anyone with less experience, or who is going into programming now, I'd be very worried. For junior developers without a college degree, who either self-taught or went to one of these quick 2-3 week "bootcamps", I'd say the year could be 2023.

    Pretty amazing really. Imagine what it will do to music.

  • KrupaKrupa

    I guess though that with coding it’s mostly an objective judgement: does it work correctly/efficiently etc, whereas with music it’s mostly subjective; does this resonate with me/make me feel etc… I’m sure there’ll be sound alike things that can do that, but I really think there’ll always be as much of a place for human music as there already is… and as has been said, with the proliferation of output and accessibility over the years, that’s already diminished to near zero for most… there’ll be a few ai pop stars I’ll bet, but there’ll have to compete with humans…

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