H I L D A - FIRST UPDATE OUT!

Ailerom

I don't say this lightly, especially as synths aren't really much more than interesting toys to me. But this is app of the year for me so far.

[Deleted User]

Thanks for the help everyone

Gavinski

Will check that later. I do sometimes find it hard to dial things in accurately but I don't recall any jumping like that. My ideal implementation is always something like allowing vertical swipes to make larger changes and using horizontal swipes for finer changes. Really wish every app had that feature. Another option is long pressing for fine control, which is what Audiothing ended up implementing, but I find that doesn't work very well when using a mouse to control the app, as most youtubers do when making vids so the viewer can see what is happening!

sevenape

@brambos said:
Some time ago we had a Forum Presets Project for Ripplemaker (they're now part of the factory presets).

We could do something like that for Hilda if people are interested in contributing a preset or two?

Yes please!

natuurlijk

@fearandloathing said:
So would an absolute noobie who just bought moot model D and model 15 less than a week ago enjoy or get much out of this? Or is this better left to those who know what they are doing ?

Model D will (in addition to sounding fantastic) help you learn about basic synth architecture (oscillators, envelopes, modulation) and this will be applicable to most other synths - including Hilda.

Hilda has much more going on but it essentially conforms to similar principles.

All three synths are amazing.

Gavinski

@fearandloathing even if you're new to synthesis you could for sure get a lot of enjoyment from Hilda as long as you read the manual / watch a walkthrough or 2 and follow along with your ipad in front of you, trying each feature out as you go.

[Deleted User]

@Gavinski said:
@fearandloathing even if you're new to synthesis you could for sure get a lot of enjoyment from Hilda as long as you read the manual / watch a walkthrough or 2 and follow along with your ipad in front of you, trying each feature out as you go.

+1

[Deleted User]

@Gavinski said:
@fearandloathing even if you're new to synthesis you could for sure get a lot of enjoyment from Hilda as long as you read the manual / watch a walkthrough or 2 and follow along with your ipad in front of you, trying each feature out as you go.

I’m sold dude. I am going to download it tonight and jam out!

gkillmaster

@Krupa said:

@gkillmaster said:

@Krupa said:
Thankfully it’s not the Strega emulation that Bram said it wasn’t, it’s easier to get musical results, and probably far more flexible in that territory, especially the massively featured complex oscillator. But, the Strega has qualities that this doesn’t really get close to, especially in the delay department… great to see such great stuff inspired by other great stuff…

If you feel like elaborating, I’d love to her more about the comparison. So far Hilda is truly a dream come true for me and I’ve had Strega on my mind since it was released. My first reaction to Hilda was wondering how much I will use my 0-Coast/0-Ctrl setup now

Both this and Strega are great and definitely share some similarities, mostly in terms of signal flow, but the parts themselves are a little different (as far as I can tell)

The oscillator in Strega is a bit simpler, a single ‘tone’ control that covers both timbre/shape, and folding, as opposed to Hilda’s three discrete controls. Hilda also has control over the sub ratio which would be a really good touch on the Strega tbh

I think Strega has a modulation source that isn’t on Hilda, a mysterious kinda random one that can be patched, dialled, or touched into several places. I might be wrong on that, but Hilda has the extra effects as more than compromise…

The main difference is the delay, on Hilda it’s definitely an effect, a very strong and lovely effect to be sure, but it’s not integrated directly into the sound in the way it is in Strega. For instance, the filter comes after it on the Strega, so it kinda gets squished into the sound in a different way (Though I wish it were a tilt type one rather than just a low pass tbh). Also, when you dial the time down past the ten o clock position in the Strega, there’s some sort of extreme feedback of noise that really builds a character I’ve not heard anywhere else - I’ve been experimenting with an old bed delay unit I’ve had for donkeys, feeding it back in itself and it’s got close but not anywhere near as interesting yet…

They’re both great, and thanks to this getting trailed the last few weeks, I’ve made some time to get deeper into the Strega as it was lying in a slightly embarrassing state of I’m not quite sure about it yet, but now I am 😀

A couple of podcasts that inspired me as a budding instrument maker to get a Strega in order to decipher and influence me…

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/podular-modcast/id1363821591?i=1000507342954

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/hanging-out-with-audiophiles/id1279148418?i=1000569154460

This article is also really interesting

https://www.synthux.academy/blog/make-noise

Thank you so much for this and for taking the time! Really interesting and helpful.

I spent quite a lot of time with Hilda and have had much time with my 0-Coast setup and there is a lot of overlap merely in the feel of the sound and to some degree the behavior of the sound, which I love. i'm so happy with Hilda so far, that I need to keep working with it and see where the boundaries are before I can think more about a Strega. (I also have Lyra-8 which I usually just sit an play and don't often record) The only single thing I found myself wanting more with Hilda is more visual feedback for the modulations in the interface and possibly a little control over parameters for the touch plates. I feel bad even suggesting it after reading in that Synthux article about the Makenoise concept of "instruments as riddles". Don't get me wrong, I also admire and appreciate and love it as is!

Also to clarify, this is not a Makenoise emulation, it is it's own unique instrument with it's own unique musical goals. I can tell that by the time I've spent with it so far.

sevenape

A mellow all Hilda ( and gauss) jam

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cr5wv8hAToP/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

Kashi

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@Kashi said:

@bygjohn said:

@Kashi said:
Sorry if I’m missing something obvious but is there a way to collapse the sequencer window when using it as an AUv3 in AUM?

You can just resize the bottom edge of the window and it’ll slip out of view.

Cool. Thanks!

Double tap the top edge of an AU and it will either minimize, or maximize to fill the screen. Very useful tap!

Ok I tried that but it still doesn’t achieve what I am trying to do.
@bygjohn im trying to get the “synth” part to fill the screen so the dials etc are slightly bigger, but that doesn’t seem to happen.
@brambos do you understand what I am trying to do?

Gavinski

@Kashi said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@Kashi said:

@bygjohn said:

@Kashi said:
Sorry if I’m missing something obvious but is there a way to collapse the sequencer window when using it as an AUv3 in AUM?

You can just resize the bottom edge of the window and it’ll slip out of view.

Cool. Thanks!

Double tap the top edge of an AU and it will either minimize, or maximize to fill the screen. Very useful tap!

Ok I tried that but it still doesn’t achieve what I am trying to do.
@bygjohn im trying to get the “synth” part to fill the screen so the dials etc are slightly bigger, but that doesn’t seem to happen.
@brambos do you understand what I am trying to do?

I understand, and it would be good. Also, although double tapping the top bar of an auv3 normally does open it full size, this is not what happens with Hilda, at least on my 12.9 inch ipad @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr - instead when I double tap, I still always need to manually adjust it to be able to see the entire Hilda interface.

brambos

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@Kashi said:

@bygjohn said:

@Kashi said:
Sorry if I’m missing something obvious but is there a way to collapse the sequencer window when using it as an AUv3 in AUM?

You can just resize the bottom edge of the window and it’ll slip out of view.

Cool. Thanks!

Double tap the top edge of an AU and it will either minimize, or maximize to fill the screen. Very useful tap!

Ok I tried that but it still doesn’t achieve what I am trying to do.
@bygjohn im trying to get the “synth” part to fill the screen so the dials etc are slightly bigger, but that doesn’t seem to happen.
@brambos do you understand what I am trying to do?

I understand, and it would be good. Also, although double tapping the top bar of an auv3 normally does open it full size, this is not what happens with Hilda, at least on my 12.9 inch ipad @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr - instead when I double tap, I still always need to manually adjust it to be able to see the entire Hilda interface.

You can thank Apple for insisting on giving every Apple device a different aspect ratio these days (not even going into all the different plugin window sizes across hosts). Hilda's current dimensions are the best-common-denominator for any currently known device. Which means that on some devices you may need to do some manual adjustments if you want to see every pixel

Gavinski

@brambos said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@Kashi said:

@bygjohn said:

@Kashi said:
Sorry if I’m missing something obvious but is there a way to collapse the sequencer window when using it as an AUv3 in AUM?

You can just resize the bottom edge of the window and it’ll slip out of view.

Cool. Thanks!

Double tap the top edge of an AU and it will either minimize, or maximize to fill the screen. Very useful tap!

Ok I tried that but it still doesn’t achieve what I am trying to do.
@bygjohn im trying to get the “synth” part to fill the screen so the dials etc are slightly bigger, but that doesn’t seem to happen.
@brambos do you understand what I am trying to do?

I understand, and it would be good. Also, although double tapping the top bar of an auv3 normally does open it full size, this is not what happens with Hilda, at least on my 12.9 inch ipad @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr - instead when I double tap, I still always need to manually adjust it to be able to see the entire Hilda interface.

You can thank Apple for insisting on giving every Apple device a different aspect ratio these days (not even going into all the different plugin window sizes across hosts). Hilda's current dimensions are the best-common-denominator for any currently known device. Which means that on some devices you may need to do some manual adjustments if you want to see every pixel

Yes I can imagine it's a 'pain in the hole' as we say in Ireland lol.

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brambos

@id_23 said:
Not loading in apeMatrix or AUM on iPhone 6 ...
Or iPad Air both iOS 12.5.7

Good news, I've found an ancient iPod Touch from that same era, and indeed I can reproduce the issue (Hilda not loading).
This will help me find a solution.

I'm on it.

Slush

Getting very interesting results using Hilda to sequence a different synth (tried it with Lagrange) and then through Hilda as fx again. And finally through Cascade

dokwok2

@brambos said:
Good news, I've found an ancient iPod Touch from that same era, and indeed I can reproduce the issue (Hilda not loading).
This will help me find a solution.

I'm on it.

Thank you. That old hardware has a lot of life left in it.

cem_olcay

@brambos said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@Kashi said:

@bygjohn said:

@Kashi said:
Sorry if I’m missing something obvious but is there a way to collapse the sequencer window when using it as an AUv3 in AUM?

You can just resize the bottom edge of the window and it’ll slip out of view.

Cool. Thanks!

Double tap the top edge of an AU and it will either minimize, or maximize to fill the screen. Very useful tap!

Ok I tried that but it still doesn’t achieve what I am trying to do.
@bygjohn im trying to get the “synth” part to fill the screen so the dials etc are slightly bigger, but that doesn’t seem to happen.
@brambos do you understand what I am trying to do?

I understand, and it would be good. Also, although double tapping the top bar of an auv3 normally does open it full size, this is not what happens with Hilda, at least on my 12.9 inch ipad @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr - instead when I double tap, I still always need to manually adjust it to be able to see the entire Hilda interface.

You can thank Apple for insisting on giving every Apple device a different aspect ratio these days (not even going into all the different plugin window sizes across hosts). Hilda's current dimensions are the best-common-denominator for any currently known device. Which means that on some devices you may need to do some manual adjustments if you want to see every pixel

Congrats on the release Bram, another amazing synth as always 😍
Out of curiosity, don’t you use UIKit’s auto-layout on your UIs? Or are you using something else like JUCE for creating your UI?

espiegel123

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

I recommend posting a video or screen recording demonstrating the issue.

Are you talking about the general iOS issue that results in fine controls changing their value slightly when you remove your finger?

bygjohn

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

Just tried this in standalone on iOS 15.7.1 (iPad 6), and if I set the resonance to 50, sliding my finger vertically takes it to 55, whereas I can go direct to 51 sliding horizontally. I suspect this may be the kind of behaviour @Gavinski mentioned, ie slide horizontally for fine control.

brambos

@espiegel123 said:

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

I recommend posting a video or screen recording demonstrating the issue.

Are you talking about the general iOS issue that results in fine controls changing their value slightly when you remove your finger?

I have tried on several devices and I can not reproduce the issue: fine control is possible without issues. There are no added thresholds in my controls and unless there is subtle snapping behavior (such as in the tune knobs, which snap to octaves) everything should be moving smoothly and seamlessly.

Obviously there is a super minimal amount of threshold built into iOS itself, to distinguish between a tap and a slide, but that's virtually imperceptible; and out of my control anyway.

Gavinski

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

Actually I checked this now with Hilda - followed your instructions exactly. And I found the same problem. Once I set a knob to a certain value, say 50, took my finger off and tried to slide to 49, instead it jumped to 43. I tried this with several knobs and got the same erratic results every time.

Gavinski

@Gavinski said:

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

Actually I checked this now with Hilda - followed your instructions exactly. And I found the same problem. Once I set a knob to a certain value, say 50, took my finger off and tried to slide to 49, instead it jumped to 43. I tried this with several knobs and got the same erratic results every time.

And Immediately after I tried it with Phonolyth Cascade and had zero problem there - I was able to set a knob at a value of 50, remove my finger, press again, and drag to a value of 49. Same with Audiodmage Replicant (though it’s a bitch to see the values in that app as they are covered by your finger - that’s bad design. But at least, yes, you can dial things in with accuracy.

brambos

@Gavinski said:

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

Actually I checked this now with Hilda - followed your instructions exactly. And I found the same problem. Once I set a knob to a certain value, say 50, took my finger off and tried to slide to 49, instead it jumped to 43. I tried this with several knobs and got the same erratic results every time.

I could simply remove the value display, which would solve the issue I guess because when you don't stare at the numbers you wouldn't notice it at all

It's probably because iOS still registers tiny changes while you're taking your finger off the screen. Nothing I can do about that.

Gavinski

@brambos said:

@Gavinski said:

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

Actually I checked this now with Hilda - followed your instructions exactly. And I found the same problem. Once I set a knob to a certain value, say 50, took my finger off and tried to slide to 49, instead it jumped to 43. I tried this with several knobs and got the same erratic results every time.

I could simply remove the value display, which would solve the issue I guess because when you don't focus on numbers you wouldn't notice this

It's probably because iOS still registers tiny changes while you're taking your finger off the screen. Nothing I can do about that.

Not really - see my following message where it worked totally fine with the first 2 apps I tried with. But yes, have never noticed any problems with this before, so maybe it’s not a big deal. But it clearly is avoidable if other apps can manage it

[Deleted User]

@bygjohn said:

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

Just tried this in standalone on iOS 15.7.1 (iPad 6), and if I set the resonance to 50, sliding my finger vertically takes it to 55, whereas I can go direct to 51 sliding horizontally. I suspect this may be the kind of behaviour @Gavinski mentioned, ie slide horizontally for fine control.

Did you try someone else like your wife, children’s, friends to turn the knobs. I know what I ask you can feel silly but in my past dev experience I saw 3 or 4 times similar things with knobs that had a human factor on testing a software for touch screen device.

The GUI of Hilda is like an industrial touch screen and Bram other app knob GUI could create that as other GUI apps are very different.

Like Bram I was thinking how is it possible but it is as some person interact with the electrostatic effect of touch screen. If this is that it is easy to solve.

There are always a solution for sure.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

Mixing ext audio in with the synth and playing with the touchpads seems to be my favorite thing with this app. I lost a couple of hours last night doing that.

Intermittently the touchpads got stuck on. I would remove my finger, but the red dot remained. Tapping the pad removed the red dot.

rvr

Thank you for assisting good sirs. Well actually its only BramBos apps doing this (so there is a way to fix) and for me used to finetuning stuff in drmbo and other (modular) synts with precise values its quite annoing. Would be great if fixed.

Gavinski

@bygjohn said:

@rvr said:

Ipad iphone ios15, 16, standalone and in hosts. Do this - put a knob to a value, lets say "50". Take finger off the screen. Then try to make it "51", or "49" , moving knob as slow as possible, and notice how the value changes. Can you make it go from 50 right to 51 witout jumping to +/-5 value? Can someone try this please? Thnank you

Sorry to be annoying but can someone please check this one. I will write to support but maybe someone else can also confim. I have this issue with all BramBos apps, older ones like ruismaker etc

Just tried this in standalone on iOS 15.7.1 (iPad 6), and if I set the resonance to 50, sliding my finger vertically takes it to 55, whereas I can go direct to 51 sliding horizontally. I suspect this may be the kind of behaviour @Gavinski mentioned, ie slide horizontally for fine control.

Interesting but is a bit erratic on my device - sometimes it is working as you described, and yes, it a;ways manages smaller increments. But sometimes horizontal control is working strangely for me - when I press on, say, the feedback knob on top right, and drag right, the value is sometimes lowering instead of decreasing. And vice versa!