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What will - what does - Logic Pro on iPad allow you to do that you haven’t been able to do so far?

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  • wimwim
    edited May 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @wim said:
    Nothing. Even if I was going to go for Logic Pro, which I'm not, I'm convinced I'd drop it after a month or two. I can't sustain much creativity working in a DAW. All spontaneity gets lost for me.

    Likewise, I just don't like arranging on iOS when there's a nice, powerful, easy to see, and far less cramped experience sitting right next to that little iPad on the desk.

    Logic Pro on iOS changes nothing for me.

    If you have an iPad Pro capable of running it, I guarantee you’re taking the 1 month free challenge. ;)

    I don't. So that's an easy one for me. 😎
    (I haven't bothered with the trial on the desktop either. I have all the DAW I need on desktop already.)

  • Recently I’ve recorded the same song from scratch using Cubasis, then a separate version on my desktop Studio One Pro DAW. With the Cubasis version I mainly used internal instruments and effects, and for drums I used DigiStix.

    The Studio One version is light years ahead in terms of audio quality, but a lot of this has to do with using EZ Drummer for the drums, and some quality sound libraries.

    So for me, I’m mainly hoping Logic offers a drum solution (anyone know?) and better quality instruments and effects compared to Cubasis.

  • @BillS said:
    Recently I’ve recorded the same song from scratch using Cubasis, then a separate version on my desktop Studio One Pro DAW. With the Cubasis version I mainly used internal instruments and effects, and for drums I used DigiStix.

    The Studio One version is light years ahead in terms of audio quality, but a lot of this has to do with using EZ Drummer for the drums, and some quality sound libraries.

    So for me, I’m mainly hoping Logic offers a drum solution (anyone know?) and better quality instruments and effects compared to Cubasis.

    It includes "Drum Machine Designer" and a good step sequencer, and I assume it also includes "Drum Kit Designer" and the virtual Drummer functionality you can get today in Logic Pro on desktop or GarageBand on iOS.

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @BillS said:
    Recently I’ve recorded the same song from scratch using Cubasis, then a separate version on my desktop Studio One Pro DAW. With the Cubasis version I mainly used internal instruments and effects, and for drums I used DigiStix.

    The Studio One version is light years ahead in terms of audio quality, but a lot of this has to do with using EZ Drummer for the drums, and some quality sound libraries.

    So for me, I’m mainly hoping Logic offers a drum solution (anyone know?) and better quality instruments and effects compared to Cubasis.

    It includes "Drum Machine Designer" and a good step sequencer, and I assume it also includes "Drum Kit Designer" and the virtual Drummer functionality you can get today in Logic Pro on desktop or GarageBand on iOS.

    This is correct. In the Logic Pro iOS video Apple released it shows someone customizing their drum kit.

  • Hold on…. does Logic Pro randomise anything? 🤨

  • @tahiche said:
    I hope it’s not disappointing and delivers the same features as desktop. The things I miss on iOS daws:

    • audio editing, incredible how there’s no daw where you can do a simple merge of audio (Auria maybe)
    • Flex Time, Flex Pitch, transient detection… fixing audio stuff basically
    • Getting it right… either you can’t automate auv3 parameters, or it’s a quirky implementation, same with freezing and bouncing… daws on iOS haven’t nailed it. In the daw department we haven’t seen the “finesse” of the likes of Loopy, Drambo or AUM.

    In the ‘getting it right’ category, presumably it’ll have the simple routing stuff that’s missing in some iOS daws, like side chain input for auv3 effects, auv3 multi out etc.

  • @robosardine said:
    Hold on…. does Logic Pro randomise anything? 🤨

    Your preferred AUv3 synths will work in LP on iOS.

  • @tahiche said:
    I hope it’s not disappointing and delivers the same features as desktop. The things I miss on iOS daws:

    • audio editing, incredible how there’s no daw where you can do a simple merge of audio (Auria maybe)
    • Flex Time, Flex Pitch, transient detection… fixing audio stuff basically

    For me, too. Flex Time and Flex Pitch are so good in Logic. Also cross-fades and comping, especially vocals. I love many things about Zenbeats, which I use most of all on the iPad, but audio editing is pretty basic.

  • Track “nudge” in millisecond intervals to really drop an instrument into the pocket. No current DAW has that on IOS does it? It’s a Pro feature for sure.

  • It will also get you back to that state of total helplessness that you once exsperienced on opening any DAW? It’s like a “maze of twisty passages” and you only need to discover the magic words to navigate through the darkness and collect the gems.

  • @McD said:
    It will also get you back to that state of total helplessness that you once exsperienced on opening any DAW? It’s like a “maze of twisty passages” and you only need to discover the magic words to navigate through the darkness and collect the gems.

    To be fair Logic Pro is fairly easy to use.

  • edited May 2023

    @cyberheater said:

    @McD said:
    It will also get you back to that state of total helplessness that you once exsperienced on opening any DAW? It’s like a “maze of twisty passages” and you only need to discover the magic words to navigate through the darkness and collect the gems.

    To be fair Logic Pro is fairly easy to use.

    I managed to figure out most of it (so far) and I approached LP from the perspective of a long time GarageBand user. For others used to using more complex DAWs they will probably find it even more intuitive.

  • edited May 2023

    Forgot to mention, we need perfect plug-in delay compensation (PDC) which miss from Cubasis or BM3.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @McD said:
    It will also get you back to that state of total helplessness that you once exsperienced on opening any DAW? It’s like a “maze of twisty passages” and you only need to discover the magic words to navigate through the darkness and collect the gems.

    To be fair Logic Pro is fairly easy to use.

    Let’s wait and see what the typical IOS AUM user feels about the steps required to select an AUv3 synth of FX.
    I’m being fair since I have used Logic Pro on and off over the last few years and it always frustrates me with the extra knowledge required to make something lik IDAM work or keeping my plug-ins licensed and in working order.

    They sell Tutorials for Logic Pro that can take days to watch and weeks to master. It’s akin to Adobe Photoshop for layers of complexity that need training. There’s gold in there but it takes some mining to unearth the nuggets.

  • @McD said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @McD said:
    It will also get you back to that state of total helplessness that you once exsperienced on opening any DAW? It’s like a “maze of twisty passages” and you only need to discover the magic words to navigate through the darkness and collect the gems.

    To be fair Logic Pro is fairly easy to use.

    Let’s wait and see what the typical IOS AUM user feels about the steps required to select an AUv3 synth of FX.
    I’m being fair since I have used Logic Pro on and off over the last few years and it always frustrates me with the extra knowledge required to make something lik IDAM work or keeping my plug-ins licensed and in working order.

    They sell Tutorials for Logic Pro that can take days to watch and weeks to master. It’s akin to Adobe Photoshop for layers of complexity that need training. There’s gold in there but it takes some mining to unearth the nuggets.

    Yes that simplicity is required and fundamental for me too. This is what I like with Cubasis BTW, and even more with AUM workflow which is something else but so pure and intuitive. From the screenshots at least, doesn’t LP for iPad seems more intuitive and touch friendly than desktop version? For example I find AEM less intuitive with too much menus here and there.

  • @Janosax said:

    @McD said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @McD said:
    It will also get you back to that state of total helplessness that you once exsperienced on opening any DAW? It’s like a “maze of twisty passages” and you only need to discover the magic words to navigate through the darkness and collect the gems.

    To be fair Logic Pro is fairly easy to use.

    Let’s wait and see what the typical IOS AUM user feels about the steps required to select an AUv3 synth of FX.
    I’m being fair since I have used Logic Pro on and off over the last few years and it always frustrates me with the extra knowledge required to make something lik IDAM work or keeping my plug-ins licensed and in working order.

    They sell Tutorials for Logic Pro that can take days to watch and weeks to master. It’s akin to Adobe Photoshop for layers of complexity that need training. There’s gold in there but it takes some mining to unearth the nuggets.

    Yes that simplicity is required and fundamental for me too. This is what I like with Cubasis BTW, and even more with AUM workflow which is something else but so pure and intuitive. From the screenshots at least, doesn’t LP for iPad seems more intuitive and touch friendly than desktop version? For example I find AEM less intuitive with too much menus here and there.

    They have definitely made the per track options more visible and accessible than the desktop version. Hope they got a lot of useful feedback from both amateurs and pros as they worked on upgrading the workflow.

  • I wonder if in a couple of weeks we'll all be saying "Bah! This isn't Logic Pro it's Logic Lite".

  • Can the timeline be set to indicate loops of say 16 or 32 bars etc for help with arranging? That would be nice. Minutes and seconds or ongoing numerical bars only is a bit of a pain in the hoop for me.

  • edited May 2023

    @tahiche said:
    I hope it’s not disappointing and delivers the same features as desktop. The things I miss on iOS daws:

    • audio editing, incredible how there’s no daw where you can do a simple merge of audio (Auria maybe)
    • Flex Time, Flex Pitch, transient detection… fixing audio stuff basically
    • Getting it right… either you can’t automate auv3 parameters, or it’s a quirky implementation, same with freezing and bouncing… daws on iOS haven’t nailed it. In the daw department we haven’t seen the “finesse” of the likes of Loopy, Drambo or AUM.

    I’m beginning to think that Logic-iOS may be better than desktop.. just looking at this clip of its TouchAbility..

    Long press and options come up?

    https://www.apple.com/105/media/us/logic-pro-for-ipad/2023/f7c31a07-4154-4ed9-babf-52983b6386db/anim/multi-touch/large.mp4

    ..

  • edited May 2023

    @belldu said:
    I wonder if in a couple of weeks we'll all be saying "Bah! This isn't Logic Pro it's Logic Lite".

    That's always possible, but if they wanted to market it as "Logic Lite" / "GarageBand Advanced" then they would've named it that. Because they have deliberately NOT gone that route suggests there are no corners being cut, other than UI changes to fit a touchscreen environment.

  • @Janosax said:
    Forgot to mention, we need perfect plug-in delay compensation (PDC) which miss from Cubasis or BM3.

    Yah that is a huge one!

  • edited May 2023

    @AudioGus said:

    @Janosax said:
    Forgot to mention, we need perfect plug-in delay compensation (PDC) which miss from Cubasis or BM3.

    Yah that is a huge one!

    In my tests GarageBand iOS had perfect PDC (playback and exports) with everything internal plugins and AUV3, so it should be ok with Logic Pro too.

  • @Janosax said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Janosax said:
    Forgot to mention, we need perfect plug-in delay compensation (PDC) which miss from Cubasis or BM3.

    Yah that is a huge one!

    In my tests GarageBand iOS had perfect PDC (playback and exports) with everything internal plugins and AUV3, so it should be ok with Logic Pro too.

    Yes. Same experience. Here

  • If it's full Logic Pro on iPad, I think a chasm between Logic/Garageband and "Others" opens up when it comes to features/value. If it's Logic Lite, I think it brings powerful competition and a lot of eyes to the space.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @McD said:
    It will also get you back to that state of total helplessness that you once exsperienced on opening any DAW? It’s like a “maze of twisty passages” and you only need to discover the magic words to navigate through the darkness and collect the gems.

    To be fair Logic Pro is fairly easy to use.

    For someone who never use a pro Daw you got a learning curve I will not state that is easy . I suppose that you use ProTools as Daw ? in this case understand that you find LP easy to use 😂

    I explain : Pro Tool is like a standard pro Daw for sound engineers that work in pro studio so they need to learn it to have a job in most of the studio no choice and sound engineers degrees include use of Pro Tools à very complex and the most pricey Pro Daw in the market.

  • For me its scoring. Beeing able to just write down some notes for my band mates or make quick scribbles during rehearsals. Also all the audio editing features and compatibility between desktop and iPad are a biggie for me beeing a Logic user for decades . I love this aspect of Korg Gadget but they dropped the ball. I wonder if they will now finally make the gadgets AUv3 like on desktop. Moog is the shining example how its should be done right.

  • Agree Moog should be an inspiration for all the way they have done ✅

  • The ability to trial it for a month before buying seems to be the most obvious thing being brought to the table right at this moment.

  • edited May 2023

    @Mountain_Hamlet said:
    The ability to trial it for a month before buying seems to be the most obvious thing being brought to the table right at this moment.

    Totally agree, and you should have in mind that you will try V1 so it will upgrade that can means more tools coming in future upgrade ,perhaps more needs for a new powerful Ipad and storage for each big update.

    As I got it as Desktop Daw I am less in a hurry to test it free right at the release. Desktop users of LP like me have also to see what will happen with their LP license and upgrades.

  • edited May 2023

    @BerlinFx said:

    @Mountain_Hamlet said:
    The ability to trial it for a month before buying seems to be the most obvious thing being brought to the table right at this moment.

    Totally agree, and you should have in mind that you will try V1 so it will upgrade that can means more tools coming in future upgrade ,perhaps more needs for a new powerful Ipad and storage for each big update.

    Yes, I think this is really about hardware sales. The subscription isn’t that big an amount and if you add the cost for new iPad. We are about to see iPad sales go up. The phone market is pretty saturated so sales of the tablets seems to be the next area of expansion. We’re seeing a lot of pro apps on the platform now and I think we’re about to see a whole lot more.

    On top of this, the sub thing is probably going to be the desktop direction in the future as well. Hopefully I can keep the current desktop version running for a while. I can move DAWs on the desktop - I already use Bitwig, although a lot less once I got into Logic and Reaper stands in the background patiently. We’ll have to see where this all lands.

    Lots of good things happening in iOS land. I do prefer doing all this on the iPad when I can.

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