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If it is a full version with absolute feature parity with the desktop version, it will require enormous amounts of storage space on devices, won’t it? Unless, of course, there is a large amount of optional downloadable content.
Then again, a huge install size is another way to try to push users towards upgrading their device - as has been said on this forum several times with regard to LP on iPad, Apple’s ultimate goal is to sell hardware.
It’s also worth considering maybe whether Apple actually want to release an iOS app that can ‘do everything’? With their virtually unlimited resources, they could easily develop apps for every category which ‘do everything’ brilliantly (and Google could easily do the same for Android) and as a result have the best apps available for any and every task. This would ultimately though, presumably, lower their overall revenue from the AppStore as apps by other developers probably wouldn’t sell in large numbers. They could develop such apps but they don’t - that will have been a deliberate decision, not a result of laziness.
Anyway, who knows what form LP will take on iPad until it’s released!
No, not at all - we will say: Hallelulia, we are in heaven! Logic Pro for iPad is Pro!
I'm DAW-agnostic, believing that good music can be made on any of the current offerings, with nothing more than stock plugins. That being said, if Logic's workflow is something that works for you, you'll also benefit from an extremely highly-regarded palette of instruments and effects.
Logic's UX/GUI has become a lot more 'toy-i-fied' over the years (Used to be a very cold and stark affair), but don't be fooled into believing it's anything other than an extremely powerful and well-rounded package.
So, in answer to the question, it's perhaps the 'can-truly-do-it-all-in-one' app that many iOS musicians have been waiting for.
Read through hundreds of amusing posts on several threads created in its name.
Especially the pre release ones.
As with desktop, it seems likely you'll be able to choose what loops etc to install but if you install all it will be around the 16gb mark if I remember. So yeah, it's fully possible that all the core features could be there but those with less space will still be able to use it in a meaningful way without downloading all the content
From that screenshot there is hope for AUV3 automation
Most likely yes...
...just like in regular Logic (Read, Touch, Latch & Write are the available modes) but it's enabled on the track instead of the plug-ins window...
This is what I want it for - being able to load up a bunch of weird apps, draw in some automation, and record the results.
I’ll probably skip most of the bundled loops and other gubbins, audio recording/editing and AU automation in a nice clean UI is what I’m after.
Not being a logic user, how does it compare to ableton live in terms of elastic audio? Cause that would be something I would love to have on iOS, and could get me on the bandwagon for the occasional month
Today I'm wondering if I subscribe to Logic that I'll feel pressured to create more music rather than browse forums, knowing Apple is slowly taking money from me regardless of whether I use it or not. Will it increase my 'productivity'? Will Logic Pro commit me to finishing more stuff and to refocus on its particular workflow?
This subscription thing is messing with my mind!
What I’m hoping for is true AUV3 automation recording via GUI knobs touch, and not though internal LP sliders linked to AUV3 parameters or even only thought automation lane edition. How does it work in desktop version? This feature alone is necessary to my workflow, Cubasis 3 is super good for that, intuitive and musical, very similar to Ableton clip enveloppes creativity. With GarageBand I used Enso to record definitive audio automations, and went to CB3 for true editable automations. So LP will have to tick this box. Proper midi routing with midi plugins like ROZETA LFO will be a must have too.
Mmm, now we're getting into feature requests, I would like high definition midi automation for any instruments loaded. No more stepping through the shitty 128 steps available for standard midi. Is that a thing in desktop logic? If not, apematrix still rules the jungle in that department.
Oh my. You're really not going to like the news that this forum is moving to a subscription model then are you? 😕
Logic has a built-in modulator that can be assigned to any parameter, no need for Rozeta LFO for that.
It’s high-resolution so no stepped 0-127 ranges.
Which brings up a potentially very big positive of Logic Pro coming to iOS. Apple is going to have to start dealing with the myriad complexities of supporting AUv3's that their shitty developer documentation for AUv3 plugins has created.
Not that I think they'll go to any lengths to do workarounds like other host developers have, but at least they'll see all the issues and maybe improve a few things and/or Logic will serve as a the reference implementation that GarageBand should have been in the first place.
Lol. That would definitely encourage me to focus on music. Until I fill up the rest of my free Soundcloud quota and then they start charging me subscription to continue too!
Wow.. Nice. And you expect this will be usable on any loaded auv3s? If so it might be the stimulus we've been waiting for to get Jonatan to add that to aum
Well, the sub costs $5 per month. If you make 5 songs it is only $1 per song. If you do 10 songs it is less - only $0-50 per song.
If you work really, really hard and make lots of lots of songs you might even get down to $0. LOL
What if I only finish 1/10 of a song? Then it’s like $500 a year!
At that price you may as well buy the desktop version...
Already have it! Doh
I use logic as my main DAW on Mac but I won’t be checking it out on iOS. I have a 64gb gen 9 iPad, so I don’t have the space to download the content, and it’s easy enough to use my 13” MacBook Pro on the go. I use a lot of stuff that’s not iOS, such as console 1 and uad, which are pretty integral to my workflow (especially the physical console 1 faders and channel strip), which don’t exist in iOS. Also, I already have neck pain from looking down too much, so I can’t imagine using logic on a 9” screen.
Keyboard shortcuts, including a macro keyboard I have programmed for logic and a stream deck that I’m starting to integrate are a big part of how I use logic too, which I also don’t see really integrating well with iPad.
Logic Remote is something I find really handy though, and I’ll still use that on iPad.
Really, for me, when I use iOS for music now it’s mostly things that are different and fun for me, such as gadget or NanoStudio to pretend I know how to make electronic music (and no one will doubt that I’m pretending!).
Pianoteq is great though, I just loaded that yesterday, I didn’t realize it had come out on iOS. It runs flawlessly on the 9th gen iPad.
Yes, because you load it as a midi effect to a track and pick a target by touching an object in the plug-in window. On the desktop I’ve tried it with all the AUv3’s I’ve got installed as well as most of the stock plug-ins. It’s not like ApeMatrix with infinite LFOs though.
Q: What will Logic Pro on iPad allow you to do that you haven’t been able to do so far?
A: Create multiple threads on the Audiobus Forum?
Agree this is an option as I am a user Logc desktop user .even If I will run the free trial not sure I will be now signing for the sub not in a hurry for sure , my experience make me wise and I can subscribe any. Time , in 6 months, 1 year after reading
My M1 MacBook Air is very powerful, and I have only LP running in it and it , I got all the port I need (very important) I use Remote control on IPad touch screen to avoid as I can to use the mouse. And very important I can use my 1 TB external drive to backup. Bigger screen too.
I don’t want to upgrade to a very costly new IPad as mine I bought it 2 years ago only.
It has flex pitch & time, with selections of how you want the function to behave. I don't use Live, but the end result should be the same. Processes will be somewhat different, I'm sure. I think all professional desktop DAWs nowadays should handle elastic audio fairly well. For sure the result of elastic audio on Logic (desktop) sounds better than iOS apps. I had to rebuild songs created in Blocs wave again in Logic due to this reason, took some time but the quality difference is worth it.
Just wanted to resurrect this thread and ask the question again now it’s been released.
Does Logic Pro allow you to do things you weren’t able to do before on iPad? If so, what? Does it live up to your expectations? Would be interested to know.
I don't think it opens up very many brand-new workflows that weren't available before it came along. I suppose the ability to work on Logic Pro projects that you started on a Mac is a new capability, but other than that there's relatively little that wasn't possible to do before, that's possible now.
I'd argue that it allows you to make professional-sounding tracks with a lot fewer (if any) 3rd party plugins, due to the large number and high quality of the built-in instruments and effects.
I think a lot of people have pointed out that it's possible to do some things in a more straightforward way that used to require multiple apps and/or hacks to accomplish (I'll leave it to others to point out specific examples here).
Lastly, I'd argue that perhaps the most important thing, is that it is serving as a reference implementation of a DAW on iOS. That is, a whole bunch of folks who sell AUv3s have updated their apps in the past couple weeks to improve compatibility with Logic Pro, and by that token is moving the AUv3 market toward greater standardization (even if that is still a "de facto" standard rather than a well-documented standard).
@mjm1138 Interesting, thanks for sharing.
For me it’s making me want to make music on my iPad again.
I pretty much stopped using my iPad for music a while back as it was a half way house between iPhone and Mac which for me seem to be offering the worst of both worlds and nothing much of benefit.
I’d quickly run into logjams with the apps I had on my iPad. I like making bits of noise in AUM but I don’t ever see myself wanting to make arrangements in it.
I like NS2 but I hit roadblocks with it (especially the lack of audio tracks) and I never really grew to love it. Like yes, but it’s not where I want to make my music. There are too many things about it that I found a bit annoying. It never felt like home.
And then when I got my M1 MacBook Pro it pretty much got rid of all of the hardware advantages of an iPad over my old hot, noisy Intel laptop with shitty battery life too. So I would turn to my laptop and not the iPad when I wanted to make music.
I will still probably use my iPhone more than the iPad for music (still love jamming in BlocsWave due to the incredibly low friction in playing music — a few minutes to spare is all I need as I usually have AirPods and iPhone with me and it’s quick to load and instant gratification) but I can see myself in situations where I don’t want the desktop experience.
Having Logic on iPad removes a huge amount of friction for me as I can use an app I know very well — despite the differences it feels like ‘home’ — and it’s a perfect bridge to put together all the noises I make on my iPhone or iPad before bringing them to the Mac. And the lack of friction is essential to me as work and family take 99% of my time.
Logic on the Mac is still my DAW of choice though and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.