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Mela Synth (All Numbers) Mega Thread

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  • @Krupa said:
    Something I’ve wondered recently, especially with apps like this that has both MIDI and audio, is whether it’s difficult to include a VST version in the Mac package as Ableton in particular supports auv3 but not for MIDI… I love the cross platform stuff though, and while I’ve not tested this one it looks great so I’ll probably grab it soon…

    I'm trying to keep a narrow focus to achieve more. Mela already works on iPhone, iPad and Mac, in multiple hosts and as a standalone app. And I have to deal with the weirdnesses that each host comes with. There are too many combinations as is, VST would add another dimension. I'd rather focus on adding more features to Mela (and the user feature request list is very long). Ableton has more resources to support AUv3 MIDI plug-ins ;)
    (And Live still has some AUv3 bugs, which I need to report to them soon)

  • @Nikolozi Can you give a rough ETA for the polyphony update, please?

  • edited May 2023

    @sevenape said:
    @Nikolozi this looks really good, do you have any plans to add 'west cost' style modules? Wavefolder, LPG etc

    The distortion module has a 'foldback' option which is more or less a wave folder (at least to my ears it sounds like one).

  • @dendy said:
    Has nice sounds, basic oscillators and filters sounds good - unfortunately for me major problem is UI - looks like absolute mess to me. Main reason i will never use this synth. It's just looks like absolute chaos to me, sorry.

    Any specifics that make it feel messy and chaotic for you? Or just generally looks overwhelming?

  • @Nikolozi I tried the desktop AU yesterday but I believe you need to be in the latest MAC OS to use it unlike Mela 3 is that correct?

  • @sevenape said:
    @Nikolozi this looks really good, do you have any plans to add 'west cost' style modules? Wavefolder, LPG etc

    As Samu answered you can kind of do wavefolding with Distortion's Foldback... But I would consider adding all types of modules that would increase Mela's sound design and composition capabilities. Feel free to make detailed suggestions at http://nikolozi.com/mela/feedback (I will be updating the site with more feature requests that I have collected from different platforms).

  • @Nikolozi said:

    @Krupa said:
    Something I’ve wondered recently, especially with apps like this that has both MIDI and audio, is whether it’s difficult to include a VST version in the Mac package as Ableton in particular supports auv3 but not for MIDI… I love the cross platform stuff though, and while I’ve not tested this one it looks great so I’ll probably grab it soon…

    I'm trying to keep a narrow focus to achieve more. Mela already works on iPhone, iPad and Mac, in multiple hosts and as a standalone app. And I have to deal with the weirdnesses that each host comes with. There are too many combinations as is, VST would add another dimension. I'd rather focus on adding more features to Mela (and the user feature request list is very long). Ableton has more resources to support AUv3 MIDI plug-ins ;)
    (And Live still has some AUv3 bugs, which I need to report to them soon)

    Yeah that’s probably the right approach, I guess they will before too long add that functionality, it was a wondering that I wanted to air- thanks for the clarity, and definitely good to keep your focus… good that you’re sending them bug reports as well!

  • @Pierre118 said:
    @Nikolozi Can you give a rough ETA for the polyphony update, please?

    I'm hesitant to make any promises on that. I think it's a significant effort, and the UI for it that will be added has to work nicely with the current design. I do consider it a high-priority feature though. And of course, I use Mela in my own music and I also want true polyphony support in Mela 4.

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    @Nikolozi I tried the desktop AU yesterday but I believe you need to be in the latest MAC OS to use it unlike Mela 3 is that correct?

    Correct, Mela 3 requires iOS 15 / macOS 12, and Mela 4 requires iOS 16 / macOS 13.

  • @Nikolozi said:

    @sevenape said:
    @Nikolozi this looks really good, do you have any plans to add 'west cost' style modules? Wavefolder, LPG etc

    As Samu answered you can kind of do wavefolding with Distortion's Foldback... But I would consider adding all types of modules that would increase Mela's sound design and composition capabilities. Feel free to make detailed suggestions at http://nikolozi.com/mela/feedback (I will be updating the site with more feature requests that I have collected from different platforms).

    thanks made the suggestion!!

  • edited May 2023

    @Nikolozi said:

    @dendy said:
    Has nice sounds, basic oscillators and filters sounds good - unfortunately for me major problem is UI - looks like absolute mess to me. Main reason i will never use this synth. It's just looks like absolute chaos to me, sorry.

    Any specifics that make it feel messy and chaotic for you? Or just generally looks overwhelming?

    Maybe it's just me .. i just opened it and i was like wtf ? where i should start editing oscillators, how to add filter modulation, etc .. i am considering myself as very advanced user / sound designer (i don't have problem even with complex modular synth patches) but here i just went completely lost.

    Just to be clear, i bought it and i will not refund it nor give bad rating in appstore - i support all iOS indie devs ! Simply UI totally didn't clicked with me, don't think there is something in particular that you can "improve". Also if i am only one complaining and all others are ok then just ignore me :lol:

  • Not for me I become more and more selective waiting for much more now when I buy an apps for sure I a not in GAS like at my beginning in iOS. And this month so big apps and choice. But if Guys are happy with it ok .

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  • edited May 2023

    @tja said:
    I did not yet buy, as I am waiting for the bundle - but when 4 has themes like 3, you may find something more easy on the eyes, which can help with getting an overview 🤗

    my problem is not that much with colors but more like with general style of ui - a lot of lines and boxes and everything looks glued together to me, there is not visual difference between global synth settings part, control signals sources (eg. mod matrix), audio signal flow, etc .. just plethora of vertically and horizontally scrollable boxes with a lot of texts and lines inside them :))) .. it just looks visually unpleasant to me in general, that's all .. that's why i don't think there can be anything changed, it's just me, i all like it then it is ok.

  • @dendy said:

    @Nikolozi said:

    @dendy said:
    Has nice sounds, basic oscillators and filters sounds good - unfortunately for me major problem is UI - looks like absolute mess to me. Main reason i will never use this synth. It's just looks like absolute chaos to me, sorry.

    Any specifics that make it feel messy and chaotic for you? Or just generally looks overwhelming?

    Maybe it's just me .. i just opened it and i was like wtf ? where i should start editing oscillators, how to add filter modulation, etc .. i am considering myself as very advanced user / sound designer (i don't have problem even with complex modular synth patches) but here i just went completely lost.

    Interesting. I just assumed most users would recognise Ableton/Bitwig/PhasePlant style module chaining and be somewhat clear as to how to use it. But good to know that it's not as obvious as I thought.

    I think it might be clearer how to use it if you try to create a preset from scratch. Did you see the intro video I made? Where I build a simple mono synth from scratch?

    Just to be clear, i bought it and i will not refund it - i support all iOS indie devs ! Simply UI totally didn't clicked with me, don't think there is something in particular that you can "improve". Also if i am only one complaining and all others are ok then just ignore me :lol:

    Feel free to ask for a refund. Users asking for refunds doesn't bother me. My goal is for users to be satisfied with their purchase. I'm in it for the long term.

    I appreciate your honest feedback.

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  • @dendy said:

    @tja said:
    I did not yet buy, as I am waiting for the bundle - but when 4 has themes like 3, you may find something more easy on the eyes, which can help with getting an overview 🤗

    my problem is not that much with colors but more like with general style of ui - a lot of lines and boxes and everything looks glued together to me, there is not visual difference between global synth settings part, control signals sources (eg. mod matrix), audio signal flow, etc .. just plethora of vertically and horizontally scrollable boxes with a lot of texts and lines inside them :))) .. it just looks visually unpleasant to me in general, that's all .. that's why i don't think there can be anything changed, it's just me, i all like it then it is ok.

    There are no globals. A preset consists of a set of lanes. Audio/MIDI/Pitch signal flow from left to right on each lane. Each module processes the signal or simply transmits it. MIDI and Audio signals can be routed between lanes via buses. Each lane can receive and send output to the host. It's fully customisable to create whatever type of sound processing you want. Regarding modulations, modulator modules all have a button called Targets. Tapping on it gives you the "Mod Matrix", i.e. a list of targets the modulator is modulating.

  • @tja said:
    Sadly, I cannot comment on 4 yet.
    But I needed to switch to "Plum" theme in 3 to use it at all 😅

    I go through moods and switch between the 3. I really like the Mela 4's though. This one really clicked with me, but I guess it's all subjective. The colours don't come through well in the video due to compression. On a device looks great, but again, it's subjective.

  • @Nikolozi
    Interesting. I just assumed most users would recognise Ableton/Bitwig/PhasePlant style module chaining and be somewhat clear as to how to use it. But good to know that it's not as obvious as I thought.

    That may be reason, i never really used Ableton/Bitwig/PhasePlant :-)

    Feel free to ask for a refund.

    Nope i am not doing this :) As i understand apple pricing model, in case i refund you will be still charged by 15 (or 30?)% of apple fee and that's something which i really don't like ..

    I'll just keep it .. maybe one day it clicks with me :))

    I think it might be clearer how to use it if you try to create a preset from scratch. Did you see the intro video I made? Where I build a simple mono synth from scratch?

    I figured this, that is not problem (on other side i absolutely didn't figured how to force it play polyphonically:))

  • As I understand it, devs losing money when someone asks for a refund is a theoretical concern but doesn’t really happen in reality, is that correct Niko?

    By the way, hats off to Niko here as a perfect example of a dev dealing well with his customers and fielding constructive criticism like an absolute boss 🔥🔥

  • @Gavinski said:
    As I understand it, devs losing money when someone asks for a refund is a theoretical concern but doesn’t really happen in reality, is that correct Niko?

    I have no idea, to be honest. This is the first time I'm hearing about this. I assumed Apple would have done the right thing and simply reverse the transactions, but I have no idea.

    By the way, hats off to Niko here as a perfect example of a dev dealing well with his customers and fielding constructive criticism like an absolute boss 🔥🔥

    🙏🧡

  • @Nikolozi said:

    @Gavinski said:
    As I understand it, devs losing money when someone asks for a refund is a theoretical concern but doesn’t really happen in reality, is that correct Niko?

    I have no idea, to be honest. This is the first time I'm hearing about this. I assumed Apple would have done the right thing and simply reverse the transactions, but I have no idea.

    It was like this few years ago for sure .. simply all refunded apps - user gets all money back but DEV is charged by Apple fee anyway. No idea if it is still like that but assuming it's still like that.

  • @dendy said:

    @Nikolozi said:

    @Gavinski said:
    As I understand it, devs losing money when someone asks for a refund is a theoretical concern but doesn’t really happen in reality, is that correct Niko?

    I have no idea, to be honest. This is the first time I'm hearing about this. I assumed Apple would have done the right thing and simply reverse the transactions, but I have no idea.

    It was like this few years ago for sure .. simply all refunded apps - user gets all money back but DEV is charged by Apple fee anyway. No idea if it is still like that but assuming it's still like that.

    As I understand from various threads here in recent times, nothing has changed - it was always throeretical. A dev who’s aware of the situation can comment perhaps, In the past I think many devs preferred to stay silent on this matter as many preferred the idea of users being reluctant to seek refunds.

  • @dendy said:

    @Nikolozi said:

    @Gavinski said:
    As I understand it, devs losing money when someone asks for a refund is a theoretical concern but doesn’t really happen in reality, is that correct Niko?

    I have no idea, to be honest. This is the first time I'm hearing about this. I assumed Apple would have done the right thing and simply reverse the transactions, but I have no idea.

    It was like this few years ago for sure .. simply all refunded apps - user gets all money back but DEV is charged by Apple fee anyway. No idea if it is still like that but assuming it's still like that.

    Interesting, I'll look at the sales data at some point and I'll analyse to see if that's the case. If it's still the case that is pretty crap.

  • @Nikolozi said:
    Just a quick additional comment regarding polyphony. It's still possible to "simulate" polyphony or not even try to simulate, but have each note sound different. For example, in the next bug fix update 4.0.1 which I will release soon, there will be a preset called "Infinite Composer". You just press a single key and it keeps generating an infinite arpeggiated sequence. Depending on the generated random key it's routed to one of 3 instrument lanes, they all use different synthesis methods to generate sounds. They can produce notes simultaneously. This preset was used to create the sound bed for the Mela 4 intro video. So, what I mean is that even without polyphony you can create a lot of interesting synth presets or even algorithmic composers.

    That’s really cool! So it’s doing a round Robin thing and cycling or it’s playing a different key with each Oscillator section?

  • @BerlinFx said:
    Not for me I become more and more selective waiting for much more now when I buy an apps for sure I a not in GAS like at my beginning in iOS. And this month so big apps and choice. But if Guys are happy with it ok .

    To each his own but I will say Mela is easily up there with the Moog apps in terms of sound. It sounds absolutely excellent.

  • I actually find the workflow better than Drambo be it a different beast. My favourite colour scheme was Mela 2 blue which you can switch to under settings in Mela 4.

  • @Gavinski said:
    In the past I think many devs preferred to stay silent on this matter as many preferred the idea of users being reluctant to seek refunds.

    Wow, can you back that statement up with facts?

  • @brambos said:

    @Gavinski said:
    In the past I think many devs preferred to stay silent on this matter as many preferred the idea of users being reluctant to seek refunds.

    Wow, can you back that statement up with facts?

    I can’t - it’s just an opinion

  • @brambos said:

    @Gavinski said:
    In the past I think many devs preferred to stay silent on this matter as many preferred the idea of users being reluctant to seek refunds.

    Wow, can you back that statement up with facts?

    But you can definitely please let us know what your experience is - do devs lose money when a user requests a refund? Always / never / sometimes? Has it changed over the years? Would be great to hear your experience Bram

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