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New Lumbeat Hip Hop Drummer App
Interesting if it will be a plugin…
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I don't think so (pure speculation) , if not it will raise a valid question , will the app(s) be updated to AU for free when IAA stops working or not ?
https://youtube.com/shorts/K4roKq15rfk
I doubt they’ll be updated for free. I did ask Luis about this a while ago (as I’m sure many of us on this forum have) and he said it was proving extremely difficult to make them AU.
The fact that none of the publicity for Hip Ho Drummer mentons AU leads me to think it will be the same old IAA.
It seems unlikely that this will be an AU (though I guess we'll see). It is anybody's guess as to whether he'll create AUv3 versions when Apple announces the end of IAA support. It probably will depend a lot on whether he thinks he'd be able to earn enough from sales to make the time investment worthwhile.
He said in the past that he looked into converting to AUv3 and found that it wasn't practical for him to do it -- these are pretty old apps -- so, it might be a lot of work to write AUv3 versions (which would also mean learning how to write AUv3 which by most accounts is not well documented). If one has invested a lot of time in a codebase that has to be totally rewritten, that can be a daunting task -- especially if the income from the invested time is poor.
(For those that don't know: the iOS music app market does not generate large amounts of revenue.)
I doubt someone so intelligent to create these apps (let’s not forget iBassist).. would offer an IAA at this stage in the game..
So who is on the Beta?
Edit.. looks really nice…
These apps seem nice and I assume are great for loops to bring into other apps, but I can’t bring myself to pay that much for an IAA app anymore. I don’t hate IAA but I stopped buying expensive IAA only apps a couple years ago.
Apart from the fact of how difficult it is to learn to make AUv3 apps, I think it must be very dull to make basically the same app again but in a different format. Most devs - just a guess, so would be nice to hear from devs on this - would rather be embarking on a totally fresh musical project.
It isn't a matter of intelligence. It is a matter of whether he has decided that the time needed to convert his codebase to make AUV3 would be worth the time and effort. In the past, his answer has been that it isn't.
Maybe, something has changed and he has changed his mind. But I wouldn't assume that is the case.
IAA’s I still use:
All the Lumbeats (export MIDI and Audio loops) I’ll buy this one to show respect for the work.
ThumbJam the best collection of instruments and a killer touch keyboard
DrumJam
Musk Player for midi files - no decent replacement yet.
Lumbeat has a unique concept based on iBassist.. and now ‘Send Groove to Drummer’ (Groove Lock).. Can only imagine ‘Send Groove’ to Riffler, Riffer, StepPolyArp, etc. and in Auv3 too..
Auv3 would worth every penny for a paid update..
If he does update the old apps, he is completely within his rights to release the updates as new versions, these apps have been around for years.
But if this brand new app is still IAA only then it’s just not going to sell. Not in 2023, it wouldn’t even be compatible with Logic, which is presumably soon to be the leading DAW on the platform.
They (Lumbeat Ltd; not singular) are making another non auv3 app? Someone’s just copying and pasting code with a new genre lol why Luis? You sold out and you had so much talent!!!! Lol
Don’t know much about coding.. and maybe ‘intelligence’ was misused.. But other developers have done it..
Anyway.. Future Drummer’s ‘Send to Drummer’ is broke.. and iBassist has graphic issues.. @LuisMartinez
I guess soon enough we'll know for sure if this is or isn't AUv3.
I have enjoyed several Lumbeat apps, just for goofing around, but using IAA drum apps while trying to create is awkward and just not enjoyable for me. That Lumbeat has not updated to AUv3 makes me sad because they are really cool apps that I'll never use again.
I wish Lumbeat success with this new iteration.
Thumbjam and DrumJam will never be deleted off my devices. They’re simply too good. And the dev is very active and has mentioned making them AU before I believe.
Thumbjam could teach Logic a trick or two regarding playing surfaces. 12 years on and it’s still my go-to app for stringed instruments.
And many great developers have not ported their old IAA apps to AUv3. Really old apps may be particularly labor-intensive to convert. These apps don't generate a lot of income.
If logic had a playing surface that good I’d be stoked. I’m hoping the eventual AU versions will work as a midi controller as well. I think the dev said that was the plan. Thumbjam and DrumJam are just so fun. The way the surfaces interact for drum rolls and fills is so good. I love using TJ to make quick experimental loops to export and mangle elsewhere.
What happened to the beta @LuisMartinez you got me all excited, lol.
Are Apple definitely pulling the plug on IAA or is it just speculation?
speculation , but the fact LogicPro is not supporting IAA , it's a sign
It was deprecated by Apple years ago, which means that at some point they will completely drop support for it.
Where is BerlinFx comments ?
He is usually on full scale tilt about how “this is a bad dev who make bad IAA outdated trash that is waste of my money. I rather spend on good app worth to me to make music on and be awesome”!!
Really though? He trashes every single app or dev he can, and radio silence over the most insignificant development in iOS news so far this year so I was hoping to hear what an awful waste of money and time this app already is
Richard yot is right: apple made it clear years ago IAA is dead; Logic only proves his point.
(as for me Lumbeat WAS great years ago, now this release is a joke , and I suspect that Lumbeat LLC is a bunch of coders trying hard to breathe a few breaths more into a dying brand. Logic drummers are already better than Lumbeats offerings so now I’m sure apple will start introducing new genres to drummers, which is something I look forward to, unlike a hip hop ?? Drummer, weird place to end your genre suite )
How brave of them.
I had a dream that Apple created and released a universal AUv3 “container” app that IAA app developers could simply copy&paste their respective code into, and only have to modify a couple simple lines of code to connect MIDI and/or audio in and out… and they announced it at a WWDC conference… weird dream eh?
I’m just kidding, it wasn’t a dream, I just made it all up just now.
It tells us nothing more than the original deprecation does. Deprecated APIs sometimes stick around for many years. And sometimes the plug is pulled quickly.
I would read absolutely 0 into Logic’s support for IAA…other than they they didn’t add support to it for a technology they years before deprecated.
LOL!!!
I think he said he was going to the seaside for a holiday in June.
You'll know when he's back....
As I said it was my "speculation" , I have zero clue for how long it will work , but if I could bet money I'd say iOS 17
I don't mind IAA , the problem is iOS where Apple forces the devs to use a min OS requirement even for update ( I think it's v.12 now) and there is no way to downgrade the device
I wonder if iBassist will get new basslines for hip-hop style
Yea.
I have newish AUV3 apps work less reliably than my favorite IAA apps, and there is no guarantee from either dev or Apple that those AUV3 apps will be ever be made truly usable. Anyone who gets a music app thinking it will be there for their use indefinitely should just buy a sturdy piece of self-contained hardware, and have it insured against fire.
Because at some point, Apple will drop support for AUV3 also, and every other related technology currently in place.
Also, I think that the dozens of voices who year-after-year predictably pipe up with their predictions of imminent IAA death (not talking about you, btw) must realize that they are not simply predicting it, but hastening it, although some will actually admit that this is in fact their goal.
What does this mean for those of us that are regular users of Blocs Wave, Launchpad, Gadget, Groovebox, Remix Live and all the rest of it? Will I still be able to load them in AUM?