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New Lumbeat Hip Hop Drummer App

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  • @robosardine said:
    What does this mean for those of us that are regular users of Blocs Wave, Launchpad, Gadget, Groovebox, Remix Live and all the rest of it? Will I still be able to load them in AUM?

    IAA is currently still supported. Just to be clear, IAA apps don’t really get loaded in a host. They run as standalone apps and can send audio and receive audio from a connected host. When IAA is pulled from the OS, IAA apps won’t have a way to send audio to a host or receive it from a host.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:
    What does this mean for those of us that are regular users of Blocs Wave, Launchpad, Gadget, Groovebox, Remix Live and all the rest of it? Will I still be able to load them in AUM?

    IAA is currently still supported. Just to be clear, IAA apps don’t really get loaded in a host. They run as standalone apps and can send audio and receive audio from a connected host. When IAA is pulled from the OS, IAA apps won’t have a way to send audio to a host or receive it from a host.

    So - what you are saying is that they will no longer be able to function within Audiobus / AUM etc but they will be able to function on their own? ….. until the shadow of the wrecking Appleball appears from over from the scrapyard wall signalling they are about to be smashed altogether? I need to know this because I am regularly loading them in as part of my musical experiments. I couldn’t imagine life without Blocs Wave in my backyard ecosystem. I may need to buy up some knackered old Air2’s to preserve them.

  • @robosardine said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:
    What does this mean for those of us that are regular users of Blocs Wave, Launchpad, Gadget, Groovebox, Remix Live and all the rest of it? Will I still be able to load them in AUM?

    IAA is currently still supported. Just to be clear, IAA apps don’t really get loaded in a host. They run as standalone apps and can send audio and receive audio from a connected host. When IAA is pulled from the OS, IAA apps won’t have a way to send audio to a host or receive it from a host.

    So - what you are saying is that they will no longer be able to function within Audiobus / AUM etc but they will be able to function on their own? ….. until the shadow of the wrecking Appleball appears from over from the scrapyard wall signalling they are about to be smashed altogether? I need to know this because I am regularly loading them in as part of my musical experiments. I couldn’t imagine life without Blocs Wave in my backyard ecosystem. I may need to buy up some knackered old Air2’s to preserve them.

    I don’t know enough about how IAA works under-the-hood or how Apple will choose to pull support. I don’t know if the apps would just run as standalone apps with no interconnectivity or if they won’t run at all. My guess would be the former but the latter wouldn’t shock me.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:
    What does this mean for those of us that are regular users of Blocs Wave, Launchpad, Gadget, Groovebox, Remix Live and all the rest of it? Will I still be able to load them in AUM?

    IAA is currently still supported. Just to be clear, IAA apps don’t really get loaded in a host. They run as standalone apps and can send audio and receive audio from a connected host. When IAA is pulled from the OS, IAA apps won’t have a way to send audio to a host or receive it from a host.

    So - what you are saying is that they will no longer be able to function within Audiobus / AUM etc but they will be able to function on their own? ….. until the shadow of the wrecking Appleball appears from over from the scrapyard wall signalling they are about to be smashed altogether? I need to know this because I am regularly loading them in as part of my musical experiments. I couldn’t imagine life without Blocs Wave in my backyard ecosystem. I may need to buy up some knackered old Air2’s to preserve them.

    I don’t know enough about how IAA works under-the-hood or how Apple will choose to pull support. I don’t know if the apps would just run as standalone apps with no interconnectivity or if they won’t run at all. My guess would be the former but the latter wouldn’t shock me.

    Thanks - if you don’t know, there are probably very few people that will. At the end of the day I’ll just end up using what is available to me to the best of my ability…. goes back to thinking about the Circuit Mono Station that he was recently viewing on eBay.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:
    What does this mean for those of us that are regular users of Blocs Wave, Launchpad, Gadget, Groovebox, Remix Live and all the rest of it? Will I still be able to load them in AUM?

    IAA is currently still supported. Just to be clear, IAA apps don’t really get loaded in a host. They run as standalone apps and can send audio and receive audio from a connected host. When IAA is pulled from the OS, IAA apps won’t have a way to send audio to a host or receive it from a host.

    So it seems like, even if IAA were to be disabled, using loopback functionality in an audio interface would get you similar functionality, at least for one IAA app at a time. Does that sound right?

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  • I use Streetlytron Pro (IAA) more than any other app. Although I've converted a few of the Streetlytron sounds to work with Logic Sampler, there are so many beautiful sounds in the app it will take many hours of work to convert them all. Until I finish that project, and maybe I never will, I'll stick and stay with whatever OS allows me to keep using Streetlytron on iPad. And I had MTron with the Streetly tapes, it doesn't sound as good.

    For me, drums are something I begin a track with, or at least they come very early in my process, and always need revisions. IAA drums are just too difficult for me to enjoy.

  • wimwim
    edited June 2023

    @tja said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @robosardine said:
    What does this mean for those of us that are regular users of Blocs Wave, Launchpad, Gadget, Groovebox, Remix Live and all the rest of it? Will I still be able to load them in AUM?

    IAA is currently still supported. Just to be clear, IAA apps don’t really get loaded in a host. They run as standalone apps and can send audio and receive audio from a connected host. When IAA is pulled from the OS, IAA apps won’t have a way to send audio to a host or receive it from a host.

    @Michael said that AudioBus could work without IAA and provide the required connectivity.
    If I recall correctly.

    He did say that, but it's not that simple. To work with Audiobus, apps have to implement the Audiobus SDK libraries that provide that functionality. Before IAA Audiobus was the only way for apps to send audio to one another.

    When Apple enforced IAA as the only inter-app audio communication protocol Michael had to redo the communication protocol of the Audiobus libraries to use IAA. Developers didn't have to change their code if they used the Audiobus SDK because Michael implemented IAA for them. If you added Audiobus support to an app, you essentially got IAA "for free". (NanoStudio 2 is an example - it runs in AUM not because IAA was implemented but because Audiobus was implemented.)

    So ... what Michael said a couple of years ago was if IAA stops working, he'll put back the old under-the-hood protocols and apps that implement Audiobus support will continue to work.

    But, that only applies if apps do implement Audiobus support. They would also need at a minimum to recompile against the updated SDK. There could be other updating tasks that would be needed as well. Not all standalone apps support Audiobus these days, and not all have kept current with the latest Audiobus SDK even now.

    So, no, apps won't automagically continue to work with each other after IAA dies. If Michael is able to follow-through with what he said earlier (It's been awhile and lots has changed so that's not a certainty unless he reaffirms it), and if app developers do what's needed to take advantage of it, then they will work but only with audiobus as the host. It won't be like today where they can work in AUM because of the "free" IAA support.

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  • ill buy regardless of iaa or auv3. lumbeat apps are unique and great launch point for drums. the jam settings can help keep things from sounding too loopy. really powerful apps.

  • @shinyisshiny said:
    ill buy regardless of iaa or auv3. lumbeat apps are unique and great launch point for drums. the jam settings can help keep things from sounding too loopy. really powerful apps.

    This would be me and almost any circumstance, especially considering the fact that I agree with you on these apps. They’re just great.

    That said, I look at my “graveyard” of IAA drum machines, and I’m not sure I want to add another one. Patterning, elastic, funk box, dm1&2, seekbeats, drum session, attack, ispark, the list goes on.

    I love inspiration, I think all of the apps above are still valid, I just feel like investing more in the future.

  • @shinyisshiny said:
    ill buy regardless of iaa or auv3. lumbeat apps are unique and great launch point for drums. the jam settings can help keep things from sounding too loopy. really powerful apps.

    Absolutely! Hip Hop Drummer will fit right in with the rest of ‘em..

    Lumbeat apps are amazing! Every one of them.. iBassist included..
    Jamming along trying to flesh out a song.. making a quick track to solo over..
    I don’t have to program any fills.. they’re just magically there by moving a few sliders.. more or less.. simple.. this is priceless..

  • @fearandloathing said:
    Where is BerlinFx comments ?

    He is usually on full scale tilt about how “this is a bad dev who make bad IAA outdated trash that is waste of my money. I rather spend on good app worth to me to make music on and be awesome”!! :wink: Really though? He trashes every single app or dev he can, and radio silence over the most insignificant development in iOS news so far this year so I was hoping to hear what an awful waste of money and time this app already is

    Richard yot is right: apple made it clear years ago IAA is dead; Logic only proves his point.

    (as for me Lumbeat WAS great years ago, now this release is a joke , and I suspect that Lumbeat LLC is a bunch of coders trying hard to breathe a few breaths more into a dying brand. Logic drummers are already better than Lumbeats offerings so now I’m sure apple will start introducing new genres to drummers, which is something I look forward to, unlike a hip hop ?? Drummer, weird place to end your genre suite )

    He told me in a reply yesterday he was only gonna frequent the creations section because it was the only friendly one. If you’re referring to him commenting about Logic he did say in the thread he deleted it and it was “game over apple”. If you’re referring to IAA in general, I believe he hates those too lol.

  • Yes I just meant it in jest as you noted the points he would’ve brought up, but @Simon got my joke ;)

  • @fearandloathing said:
    Yes I just meant it in jest as you noted the points he would’ve brought up, but @Simon got my joke ;)

    I just read BerlinFx's comment in another thread and it seems he is not too well at the moment:

    "I stop today to put videos for personal reasons as I will not subscribe to Logic IPad and my brain problems made this daw too tiring and I need to preserve my health as I got health problems."

    Hopefully he's better soon.

  • Aww wish him well too, he’s always been enjoyable to read his input

  • edited June 2023

    @Korakios said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Korakios said:

    @robosardine said:
    Are Apple definitely pulling the plug on IAA or is it just speculation?

    speculation , but the fact LogicPro is not supporting IAA , it's a sign

    It tells us nothing more than the original deprecation does. Deprecated APIs sometimes stick around for many years. And sometimes the plug is pulled quickly.

    I would read absolutely 0 into Logic’s support for IAA…other than they they didn’t add support to it for a technology they years before deprecated.

    As I said it was my "speculation" , I have zero clue for how long it will work , but if I could bet money I'd say iOS 17
    I don't mind IAA , the problem is iOS where Apple forces the devs to use a min OS requirement even for update ( I think it's v.12 now) and there is no way to downgrade the device

    I wonder if iBassist will get new basslines for hip-hop style

    Maybe iBassist should be the first Auv3, IAP Bass packs would be something to look forward to.

  • This looks great, but the other Lumbeat apps sit unused on my iPad cos they're a pain in the dick to connect and sync with everything else :/

  • @drewinnit said:

    This looks great, but the other Lumbeat apps sit unused on my iPad cos they're a pain in the dick to connect and sync with everything else :/

    I find sync straightforward. Just turn on link in the apps.

  • Anyone on the beta
    Or any news ?

  • @abf said:
    I use Streetlytron Pro (IAA) more than any other app. Although I've converted a few of the Streetlytron sounds to work with Logic Sampler, there are so many beautiful sounds in the app it will take many hours of work to convert them all. Until I finish that project, and maybe I never will, I'll stick and stay with whatever OS allows me to keep using Streetlytron on iPad. And I had MTron with the Streetly tapes, it doesn't sound as good.

    For me, drums are something I begin a track with, or at least they come very early in my process, and always need revisions. IAA drums are just too difficult for me to enjoy.

    Yeah, there are some things I don’t mind too much being IAA. Drums apps not being AUv3 is quite > @Gdub said:

    Anyone on the beta
    Or any news ?

    Sent the dev a dm, haven't heard a peep back. Has anyone?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @abf said:
    I use Streetlytron Pro (IAA) more than any other app. Although I've converted a few of the Streetlytron sounds to work with Logic Sampler, there are so many beautiful sounds in the app it will take many hours of work to convert them all. Until I finish that project, and maybe I never will, I'll stick and stay with whatever OS allows me to keep using Streetlytron on iPad. And I had MTron with the Streetly tapes, it doesn't sound as good.

    For me, drums are something I begin a track with, or at least they come very early in my process, and always need revisions. IAA drums are just too difficult for me to enjoy.

    Yeah, there are some things I don’t mind too much being IAA. Drums apps not being AUv3 is quite > @Gdub said:

    Anyone on the beta
    Or any news ?

    Sent the dev a dm, haven't heard a peep back. Has anyone?

    ditto - and nada!

  • @Gavinski said:

    @abf said:
    I use Streetlytron Pro (IAA) more than any other app. Although I've converted a few of the Streetlytron sounds to work with Logic Sampler, there are so many beautiful sounds in the app it will take many hours of work to convert them all. Until I finish that project, and maybe I never will, I'll stick and stay with whatever OS allows me to keep using Streetlytron on iPad. And I had MTron with the Streetly tapes, it doesn't sound as good.

    For me, drums are something I begin a track with, or at least they come very early in my process, and always need revisions. IAA drums are just too difficult for me to enjoy.

    Yeah, there are some things I don’t mind too much being IAA. Drums apps not being AUv3 is quite > @Gdub said:

    Anyone on the beta
    Or any news ?

    Sent the dev a dm, haven't heard a peep back. Has anyone?

    Nope not a word. Not sure what the deal is.

  • @Simon said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    Yes I just meant it in jest as you noted the points he would’ve brought up, but @Simon got my joke ;)

    I just read BerlinFx's comment in another thread and it seems he is not too well at the moment:

    "I stop today to put videos for personal reasons as I will not subscribe to Logic IPad and my brain problems made this daw too tiring and I need to preserve my health as I got health problems."

    Hopefully he's better soon.

    He’s mentioned his health problems before. Hoping everything is alright with him 🙏

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Simon said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    Yes I just meant it in jest as you noted the points he would’ve brought up, but @Simon got my joke ;)

    I just read BerlinFx's comment in another thread and it seems he is not too well at the moment:

    "I stop today to put videos for personal reasons as I will not subscribe to Logic IPad and my brain problems made this daw too tiring and I need to preserve my health as I got health problems."

    Hopefully he's better soon.

    He’s mentioned his health problems before. Hoping everything is alright with him 🙏

    Yeah, sounds like he has quite a serious condition, so maybe people should be a bit gentler with him than some of them are

  • @Gdub said:
    Anyone on the beta
    Or any news ?

    Hi, yes we sent TestFlight invitation to 10 users. Sorry for the delay on the answers, just trying to be productive.. so difficult these days :)

    About the AUv3 discussion... NO, it's not AUv3 yet. Will try to adapt it and create a plugin after the release .. but it would be a very simple version. Would be impossible to create an AUv3 plugin as complete with so much features as the main versions.

    Anyway... it´s so easy and fast to export audio (Song or number of bars , stems... ) in seconds, import to any daw, so I really don't see a big problem not been AUv3.

    @drewinnit said:
    This looks great, but the other Lumbeat apps sit unused on my iPad cos they're a pain in the dick to connect and sync with everything else :/

    ... ¿? Just Set on Ableton Link Sync

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Simon said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    Yes I just meant it in jest as you noted the points he would’ve brought up, but @Simon got my joke ;)

    I just read BerlinFx's comment in another thread and it seems he is not too well at the moment:

    "I stop today to put videos for personal reasons as I will not subscribe to Logic IPad and my brain problems made this daw too tiring and I need to preserve my health as I got health problems."

    Hopefully he's better soon.

    He’s mentioned his health problems before. Hoping everything is alright with him 🙏

    Yeah, sounds like he has quite a serious condition, so maybe people should be a bit gentler with him than some of them are

    Yeah he can definitely be a bit much haha but I agree. Hope he’s able to come back and is in a state where he can still make some music.

  • @LuisMartinez said:
    About the AUv3 discussion... NO, it's not AUv3 yet. Will try to adapt it and create a plugin after the release .. but it would be a very simple version. Would be impossible to create an AUv3 plugin as complete with so much features as the main versions.

    If you would release "drum module" versions of your apps with just the samples (with velocity layers and round-robin) and no sequencing I would buy them in a heartbeat!

    These could be brand new apps, with the samples for say Funk Drummer, or Soft Drummer, to be sequenced in the DAW or sequencer of our choice.

    There is a huge gap in the market for decent drum sample apps, the only options are Klevgrand's Ting and Slammer apps, but they are pretty specific. There is literally nothing else, and no options for simple acoustic drum sounds.

    So maybe that would be something you could consider? At the moment I've resorted to sampling the sounds out of Soft Drummer myself, but I would much rather have them in an app that I could drive from Logic's step sequencer.

  • @richardyot said:

    @LuisMartinez said:
    About the AUv3 discussion... NO, it's not AUv3 yet. Will try to adapt it and create a plugin after the release .. but it would be a very simple version. Would be impossible to create an AUv3 plugin as complete with so much features as the main versions.

    If you would release "drum module" versions of your apps with just the samples (with velocity layers and round-robin) and no sequencing I would buy them in a heartbeat!

    These could be brand new apps, with the samples for say Funk Drummer, or Soft Drummer, to be sequenced in the DAW or sequencer of our choice.

    There is a huge gap in the market for decent drum sample apps, the only options are Klevgrand's Ting and Slammer apps, but they are pretty specific. There is literally nothing else, and no options for simple acoustic drum sounds.

    So maybe that would be something you could consider? At the moment I've resorted to sampling the sounds out of Soft Drummer myself, but I would much rather have them in an app that I could drive from Logic's step sequencer.

    On one hand I agree with this, on the other hand though, fills are simply fabulous in Lumbeat apps and the number one reason for me to use them. 🙂

  • @ervin said:

    @richardyot said:

    @LuisMartinez said:
    About the AUv3 discussion... NO, it's not AUv3 yet. Will try to adapt it and create a plugin after the release .. but it would be a very simple version. Would be impossible to create an AUv3 plugin as complete with so much features as the main versions.

    If you would release "drum module" versions of your apps with just the samples (with velocity layers and round-robin) and no sequencing I would buy them in a heartbeat!

    These could be brand new apps, with the samples for say Funk Drummer, or Soft Drummer, to be sequenced in the DAW or sequencer of our choice.

    There is a huge gap in the market for decent drum sample apps, the only options are Klevgrand's Ting and Slammer apps, but they are pretty specific. There is literally nothing else, and no options for simple acoustic drum sounds.

    So maybe that would be something you could consider? At the moment I've resorted to sampling the sounds out of Soft Drummer myself, but I would much rather have them in an app that I could drive from Logic's step sequencer.

    On one hand I agree with this, on the other hand though, fills are simply fabulous in Lumbeat apps and the number one reason for me to use them. 🙂

    Not to be that guy but you have EG pulse, so there is an awesome option for acoustic (. I don’t have digistix but it has acoustic)

    If Lumbeat made their apps auv3 they would become almost unbeatable but IAA kills it. They really have a special drummer like apples does. It’s just the format is outdated and costly to the entire iOS and DAW recording

    I agree with the others: the tweaking options don’t need to be 1:1 , but having the auv3 is essential in the current time and it would make Lumbeat apps really special and unique to a whole new generation of iPad producers. No pressure though :)

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