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The reviews and ratings of the Audiokit apps in the store are really good. I would take that over a few comments here. Most developers seem to avoid this place.
Funny. I was just going to make the point about "Pro" being in the name of the company, not the app in the thread title.
I don't give a crap myself about what an app is named or how it is marketed, but I did notice that some people got a bug up their butt about "Pro" being in the name of the app, when that's a misunderstanding based on the thread title.
Oh yeah, “Pro” isn’t in the name of the app. And we didn’t announce that we’re releasing a “pro plugin” 🤣
I see how @ninobeatz thread title could be interpreted, maybe he wouldn’t mind changing the post title?
I have talked to a few that do…I understand.
Thanks for putting up with this place for as long as you have @AnalogMatthew. I hate it when people are insulting to developers. Honest feedback is one thing (a valuable one IMO) but outright hostility and rudeness is sad.
Your restraint is admirable! I've had to resort to blocking one of the people here again as it's just too hard to keep myself from reacting. 😂
My honest feedback is that out of two AK apps I bought one is unreliable (D1) and the other is unusable (909). “We’re working on it” is nice but years after release “we’ve fixed it” would be even nicer... we’re not talking about broken by OS update fixes but core functionality, so the app can be used as it was intended to be used... I don’t care about the name but based on track record, AK tag is enough for me to pass.
Hey, thanks for being so upfront.
D1 and 909? Oh, man, those apps have been a real rollercoaster. I created the sounds for D1 and the UI for 909, and it kills me a bit when people can't use the apps the way they want. AudioKit Pro as an organization has been trying to help, pledging all future earnings from these apps to help fix things up. But the lead dev for D1? He's just not into updating it. Can't blame him, really, considering the app isn't exactly a gold mine. (In fairness to him, it's an app that makes maybe $50/month. Most devs won't even work an hour for that amount of money).
This whole thing's caused a bit of a stir at AudioKit. I've been hounding the lead devs of D1 and 909 to fix things for so long that it's honestly messed with our friendship a bit. I guess I've been kind of a pain.
But hey, I still own the license for the D1 sounds and I'm mulling over a sequel app. Not sure yet if it'll fly under the "AudioKit Pro" flag or a new one.
If that piques your interest, I'd invite you to give my free follow-up to FM Player 2 shot. You might enjoy it – it appears to work really great for most folks: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/king-of-fm-dx-synth-e-piano/id1672644102
If folks aren't up for trying more AudioKit apps or any I'm tied to, I might have to rethink the whole D1 follow-up. I'm really in this for the fans of the sounds. If they're not on board with a sequel, it's not really worth me putting in the months and long hours, you know?
I think a lot of the animosity that ends up being directed at you @AnalogMatthew is due to misunderstandings about Audiokit the framework vs. AudioKit (Pro) the company.
People think that Audiokit Pro is a monolithic company publishing apps. They don't realize that apps promoted by Audiokit Pro are more often the works of independent developers using the Audiokit framework than in-house products. You, as the only face for these apps, bear the brunt of complaints - most of which are beyond your control. The 909 app is a case in point. You, and Audiokit get irreparably tarnished by something as incomprehensible as a mistimed 909 kick, when there's nothing you can do to force a fix.
The confusion is understandable. I feel like you've always been extremely careful not to talk about this to avoid casting blame on anyone. That has got to take a real emotional toll. You have my vast admiration for staying above it as best as possible and for sticking around even when haven been unnecessarily rudely attacked.
It's good that some of this is coming out now. I don't think it will stop the people that just want to vent and don't care about the underlying dynamics but at least it may help those who care to understand.
Some level of separation in branding might help in the future. Just a thought.
Sounds like a new brand could be a good idea.
Also Maybe a D2 with the new improved engine from KingOfFM?
Or even how about the D1 sounds as purchasable EXS Download ? 🤓😏
UI for 909…right-on-the-money…could this be be adapted to a Logic compatible MFX ?
Love you @AnalogMatthew and your vision, and if you go independent then I’ll follow you there too. 🤩 SAGA and King of FM are magnificent and I would love an updated D1 and Synth One, as well.
I love the D1 I got a lot of tracks with it. In garageband it’s fine but in logic it’s bad. Could you add the sounds to king of fm as iap since this app seems like it’s gonna be around and serviced with updates? I mean it would be cool have an iap where you take the retro piano fx like the vinyl and tones and piano samples and add those to the king of fm or Digitalism. Just spit balling. Maybe a catch all app. I’m a fan of bass808, retro piano, Digitalism, king of fm and still have a dream of synth one as an auv3 maybe add an iap like koala did for that service. Never give up hope lol I’m always down to buy iap for sounds from these apps. I think BLEASS alpha does that well.
It is pretty frustrating when opening a song you are working on using these apps and they never load.
I think the one thing we have learned today is not all the apps are created equal and by one name. That opens a lot of eyes today at least for me. I always understood it was always @analog_matt that did it. Especially hearing guys on YouTube talk about how they worked with Matt to create it.
I think the first note in the sequencer drags in king of fm, prob why I was looking for the tempo selection as they show up in garageband under fm player and d1.
❤️ +1
Attn: @ analog_matt is no longer the right handle. It's @AnalogMatthew .
Audiokit Pro Max.....?
Keep doing what you do @AnalogMatthew
I’m a bit late seeing all the drama in this thread. Too bad…I would have loved to troll @ehehehe for being such as ass. Don’t worry @AnalogMatthew, he was probably drunk when he made those comments. He’s already deleted them, it seems, which is a pretty textbook “next day regret” move.
Come to think of it…I would probably have my own “next day regret” if I trolled an alcoholic, so it’s probably best I missed the fun.
a fave,,, sam esmail's masterpiece
Personally I’m a big fan of AudioKits apps. Saga, VHS, House Mark 1, King FM, etc all great. Looking forward to it and appreciate you being here and being active @AnalogMatthew
I know I've been quite harsh on AK in the past and I feel I have to apologize to @AnalogMatthew
With the release of King of FM the stability goals have been reached and I enjoy using it for the sounds!
The free Rack Reverb is nice and I've only found ONE app where it can cause some UI related issues (Twisted Wave audio editor).
Being a 'Slow Sweep PWM Junkie' I'm interested in seeing what this new app will bring to the table.
(For slow PWM sweeps being able to control the start-phase of the modulating LFO on note-on is more or less essential as it shapes the initial transient and character of the sound and with a legato switch for the modulating LFO allows the sweep to continue during legato play with optional glide).
For pitch modulation especially when using a square wave a uni-polar option is a must to keep things in tune.
What makes me happy is the most new synths that pop up are quite well featured when it comes to modulation sources (LFOs etc) with the TB Lowtone being the latest and Mela 4 leading the pack for now...
Looking forward to more teasers for this app what ever it's name will be...
...still giggling a bit on the funny add that was made for the auto-tune plug-in long time ago
Cheers!
Yeah !
Absolutely epic monologue from 1:30
Nevermind the post was corrected
Easy...Postman Pat.
Agree, epic all the way! 🤩
I know how you feel, you took the AudioKit flag and now you are in the front of the battlefield and the center of attention. You took all the blame instead of those who are actually responsible. I salute you for this. 🫡
I was a developer too, in another field. But correspondence with clients is the same. Defending your team, taking all the s**t is ten times worse than taking all prises. But please do not generalize the forum in whole, because of a few rude individuals.
The UI design of 909 is perfect, simple and nostalgic. If you take this project and make proper versions with right timing and multi-output it will be a dream come true for most of the forum members here. Even you just considering and publicly talking about this idea is exciting for me.
Really looking forward to the new synth @AnalogMatthew. I love D1 and it would be a dream come true if you make an improved version! Don’t let the drama kings and queens win 😎
I think people overplay how nasty this forum is. Most people here are good, friendly, helpful etc. There definitely is bad behaviour from some members from time to time, you just have to try not to let it get under your skin too much while still calling it out and reporting if necessary.
Thanks for sharing Matt, that was a really interesting read. On balance, if I were in your shoes I would want to start my own thing. It would drive me crazy being the face of an organization where some members were either insufficiently competent or responsible.
Didn't know you could do that... how do you delete a message?
You can't... That's why people just put a full stop or whatever
Looking forward! Synth One is great and anything related to that is going to be very interesting!! big hugs from Italy xxx
Just thought I’d say that I reported a minor bug in King of FM to @AnalogMatthew a week or so ago, he replied almost immediately and it was fixed in the last release so in my view he’s the 🐝🐝🦵🦵(I know they’re legs, couldn’t find any knees) !
i just hope that LFO mod on this new synth will not have same flaw like the one on King of FM where it starts animate modulated knob and you aren not able to move that knob anymore, to set modulation base offset value, until you don't disable LFO mod again. This even causes recoding CUTOFF automation into DAW which makes it almost unusable. Right modulation implementation is to change value using mod source AROUND currently set value of modulated target, but do not change actual knob value of modulated target (to visualise modulation this is usually solved by showung animated ring around knob - but not by moving knob it self or changin it's reference value which is send/received as host automation)
I also hope in case there will be any envelope > filter modulation, it will not have same flaw (wrong implementation) like the one on Synth One or D1, where modulation AMOUNT is actually regulated by modulated target value and not by amount knob (which absolutely makes no sense in synth world, and except of Synth One / D1 i saw this weird behaviour just on Beatmaker 2 sampler and Caustic synths - 99.99% of SW/HW synths doesn't apply modulation this way from very good reason, never never saw single one HW synth working this way and i had a LOT of them in recent 30 years)
Also hope fast filter changes will not cause clicks and pops like they are causing now on King of FM .. some small smoothing on value changes is a kinda of standard in good DSP code ..
Those are things i would definitely consider to improve - i don't think it's nitpicking, they are major issues in my opinion. Honestly i am shocked those problems aren't widely discussed by basically most of users, i see them like having car where driving wheel is mounted the way that turning it to left will turn car to right and vice versa
Considering fact similar problems are found across multiple apps built with AudioKIT, i guess it's something improperly implemented deep in basic AK modules, so probably revisiting of that code should be good idea, to avoid that new developers jumping into AK for it's easy approach will learn bad habits from beginning.
There is no doubt thanks to nice straightforward UI (and yeah, here i must admit the UI is really nice a easy to understand for beginners !) and low price tag, AK synths are good candidate for beginners or people with low sound design knowledge - to learn basics of working with synth. But exactly becasue that is MEGA important that all basic things which are there works EXACTLY as they should work and as they works on vast majority of "big" synths - to keep people learn GOOD habits so later when they try other synth, they didn't end confused that things they learned works actually very differently there . IF i want act like teacher, i have to be damn good sure things i teach are 100% correct.
This is my main point why i don't like too much AK (as a developement kit, and also synths build with it) - not because of "pro" in name, i don't care - but because it acts like bad teacher, teaching (both beginner devs and beginner sound designers) bad habits and wrong concepts. If this improves, i am all in and will spread it as good beginner entry for both devs and musicians.
OK. Thanks!