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BlueBeast by Gospel Musicians (Released)

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  • @Atlesbe said:
    @HotStrange and @Poppadocrock As I promised, here you have a little video demo on the performance of PSP using a ssd attached to it. Is not shown in the video but all sounds are loaded from the SSD, downloaded previously on it. Also, I added some pics at the end of the video showing more info about it. Hope this can help you both 😊

    https://streamable.com/iak3ku

    A man of your word, much respect. And thanks so much for reporting back! That’s a cool setup you got there. I’m surprised at just how quick it’s streaming from the SSD. Seems almost just as instant as being on the iPad itself. Side note, love the background you got there, kind of organizes your apps into blocks. Look very sleek.

    One question, how are you using headphones/monitors? My only issue is I like to move around and use my iPad various places (couch, porch, desk, etc) so could I use a powered usb hub and connect the SSD and my headphones with a usb-c adapter and use both simultaneously?

  • Normally Threads on this forum about new synths get a lot of buzz and views. I'm not seeing that with this one, nor with the last Gospel Musicians release. Any reason for that?

  • @Gavinski said:
    Normally Threads on this forum about new synths get a lot of buzz and views. I'm not seeing that with this one, nor with the last Gospel Musicians release. Any reason for that?

    I'm guessing the size might be a major factor?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Normally Threads on this forum about new synths get a lot of buzz and views. I'm not seeing that with this one, nor with the last Gospel Musicians release. Any reason for that?

    I'm guessing the size might be a major factor?

    That’s my best guess. Normally I’d be all over both but I’m having to really consider the storage capacity. If I do end up deleting Logic (50/50 right now) I’ll definitely grab them but unless that happens it’s gonna have to wait until I upgrade my iPad or I decide to buy an SSD.

  • On the subject of SSDs, is anyone successfully using one for GM apps with an older iPad (I have 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 - 2nd gen)?

  • @TimRussell I’ve got an iPad 6 (128GB from 2018) and use a Samsung T5 (500GB) SSD without any issues for PSP + Neo-Soul Keys Studio 2.. I still need a bigger iPad but not necessarily for the GM apps..

  • @royor said:
    @TimRussell I’ve got an iPad 6 (128GB from 2018) and use a Samsung T5 (500GB) SSD without any issues for PSP + Neo-Soul Keys Studio 2.. I still need a bigger iPad but not necessarily for the GM apps..

    Oh cool, thanks. Do you need to use a powered CCK or will the SSD run without extra power?

  • edited August 2023

    @TimRussell I need the powered CCK.. I believe newer iPads (Pro models) don’t need the extra power..

  • @GospelMusicians said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This and their last release both look fantastic but that storage space 😬 not sure I can spring for it, and definitely can’t spring for both. Sounds great but seems like an app with that much storage capacity needed won’t sell as well on iOS considering a lot of people have lower storage devices that are already close to being maxed out.

    You can store and stream the samples on external media. You lower the space and you lower the quality and it would not sound anywhere near as good and users would complain that it doesn’t sound good. I’ve spent years exploring alternative methods of sound synthesis from AI to spectral, to modal and still nothing beats samples.

  • @Gavinski said:
    Normally Threads on this forum about new synths get a lot of buzz and views. I'm not seeing that with this one, nor with the last Gospel Musicians release. Any reason for that?

    Yup 30gb is a big no from me. Plus isn't this 'just' a rompler? Correct me if I'm wrong - haven't really looked too deeply at it.

  • edited August 2023

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    Any plans on these (this and the recent TGX-85) becoming “cross grade-able” inside Pure synth, like Bassalicious 2

    Nevermind, I finally watched the video on GM’s page, and Jamal clearly states that “there will be no cross grades between the two”.

  • Good video from Floyd Steinberg who 're-created' the factory presets for BlueBest using the synthesis features in PureSynth...

  • What is it about the Yamaha EX5 that makes it difficult to model? Stated another way, why does this have to be a (huge) sample-based app? I understand why there would be challenges to modeling certain analog synths. But the EX5 came out in 1998. According to Wikipedia, "The sample memory is 1MB, and...can be expanded to 65MB with volatile SIMM memory. Non-volatile Flash Memory can be installed to allow samples to be retained between power cycles. Flash memory capacity can be either 8MB or 16MB." For comparison, the Korg iM1 is less than 100 MB. What am I not understanding?

  • @jamietopol said:
    What is it about the Yamaha EX5 that makes it difficult to model? Stated another way, why does this have to be a (huge) sample-based app? I understand why there would be challenges to modeling certain analog synths. But the EX5 came out in 1998. According to Wikipedia, "The sample memory is 1MB, and...can be expanded to 65MB with volatile SIMM memory. Non-volatile Flash Memory can be installed to allow samples to be retained between power cycles. Flash memory capacity can be either 8MB or 16MB." For comparison, the Korg iM1 is less than 100 MB. What am I not understanding?

    The EX5 has a 16MB ROM containing the factory samples and a few alternate synthesis engines (VL, AN, FDSP) and a bunch of effects. So a hypothetical iEX5.app could be <100MB just like the Korg iM1 app is.

    No one outside Yamaha has the ROMs and DSP source-code for the original EX5 hardware and thus the easiest way to get a 'taster' of what the EX5 is capable of is to do it by close to insane multi-sampling, thus the +30GB of samples.

    Sadly Yamaha seems totally ignore iOS as a platform as they'd have a gold-mine of classics that could be remonetized and sold... (Think all classic Yamaha synths as 'apps').

  • I agree that Yamaha's "negligence" towards iOS is really sad. Yamaha released the "AN2105" (similar to the AN1X) as part of their Synth Book app and I think it includes some great patches. I don't think there is much else available by Yamaha.
    Other developers have done a very nice job modeling the DX7 (e.g., KQ Dixie).

  • @jamietopol said:
    I agree that Yamaha's "negligence" towards iOS is really sad. Yamaha released the "AN2105" (similar to the AN1X) as part of their Synth Book app and I think it includes some great patches. I don't think there is much else available by Yamaha.
    Other developers have done a very nice job modeling the DX7 (e.g., KQ Dixie).

    Yamaha also made the FM Essentials.app as a 'promo' for the MX like of keyboards...
    ...the app works as a single instance AUV3 (all loaded AUv3 instances share the same preset so one instance in practice).

    It needs an 'unlock' (ie. connect it to a MX keyboard using CCK) for full functionality and it is THE BEST TX81z emulator there is regardless of platform. After unlock the keyboard is no longer needed...
    (I unlocked my copy at a local music store some years ago).

    So Yamaha definitely has the knowledge to do good AUv3's but waste the development resources on 'promo apps' and the MX line is becoming harder to track down for unlock. Sadly Yamaha showed no interest what so ever in adding an IAP to unlock it.

  • @Samu said:

    @jamietopol said:
    What is it about the Yamaha EX5 that makes it difficult to model? Stated another way, why does this have to be a (huge) sample-based app? I understand why there would be challenges to modeling certain analog synths. But the EX5 came out in 1998. According to Wikipedia, "The sample memory is 1MB, and...can be expanded to 65MB with volatile SIMM memory. Non-volatile Flash Memory can be installed to allow samples to be retained between power cycles. Flash memory capacity can be either 8MB or 16MB." For comparison, the Korg iM1 is less than 100 MB. What am I not understanding?

    The EX5 has a 16MB ROM containing the factory samples and a few alternate synthesis engines (VL, AN, FDSP) and a bunch of effects. So a hypothetical iEX5.app could be <100MB just like the Korg iM1 app is.

    No one outside Yamaha has the ROMs and DSP source-code for the original EX5 hardware and thus the easiest way to get a 'taster' of what the EX5 is capable of is to do it by close to insane multi-sampling, thus the +30GB of samples.

    Sadly Yamaha seems totally ignore iOS as a platform as they'd have a gold-mine of classics that could be remonetized and sold... (Think all classic Yamaha synths as 'apps').

    Hang on, pretty sure I remember that these sample downloads are more like 17gb for this and the other recent gm release, no?

  • @Gavinski said:

    Hang on, pretty sure I remember that these sample downloads are more like 17gb for this and the other recent gm release, no?

    Yes, the download is ~17GB or for both of the 'expansions/apps' but it's 'extracted/installed' after download so it takes way more than the 17GB when it's ready for use...

  • @Samu said:

    @Gavinski said:

    Hang on, pretty sure I remember that these sample downloads are more like 17gb for this and the other recent gm release, no?

    Yes, the download is ~17GB or for both of the 'expansions/apps' but it's 'extracted/installed' after download so it takes way more than the 17GB when it's ready for use...

    Ah, cheers! These sound great btw from my preliminary explorations.

  • @Gavinski said:

    Ah, cheers! These sound great btw from my preliminary explorations.

    My 'PureSynth Install' with TGX-85, BlueBeast and Factory Content weighs in at 62.64GB...
    ...yes the sounds are good and that is why I decided to sacrifice a bit of storage for them :sunglasses:

    But there's no where near as much variety compared to Mac Logic's ~75GB stock content...
    ...I still have space for that too if/when Apple drops them for the iPad as well...

  • @Samu said:
    Yamaha also made the FM Essentials.app as a 'promo' for the MX like of keyboards...>
    It needs an 'unlock' (ie. connect it to a MX keyboard using CCK) for full functionality

    Thanks for sharing this info. The 10 patches sound like nice FM synthesis, but I have no idea if any local music stores sell a Yamaha MX keyboard to unlock the remaining patches - sad.

  • @jamietopol said:

    @Samu said:
    Yamaha also made the FM Essentials.app as a 'promo' for the MX like of keyboards...>
    It needs an 'unlock' (ie. connect it to a MX keyboard using CCK) for full functionality

    Thanks for sharing this info. The 10 patches sound like nice FM synthesis, but I have no idea if any local music stores sell a Yamaha MX keyboard to unlock the remaining patches - sad.

    Here in Gothenburg Sweden a local music shop keeps one BX88 (88 key version of the MX-line) on demo as a 'master keyboard' in their demo room...(to show the DAW integration among other things, and they keyboard is super nice to play).

    So for me unlock is as easy as taking at trip there with a USB-C -> USB-B cable for the 11" iPadPro.

    It's worth to scout around for local stores that still have it as the BX/MX line is becoming quite rare...

  • @Samu said:

    @Gavinski said:

    Ah, cheers! These sound great btw from my preliminary explorations.

    My 'PureSynth Install' with TGX-85, BlueBeast and Factory Content weighs in at 62.64GB...
    ...yes the sounds are good and that is why I decided to sacrifice a bit of storage for them :sunglasses:

    But there's no where near as much variety compared to Mac Logic's ~75GB stock content...
    ...I still have space for that too if/when Apple drops them for the iPad as well...

    Thanks for crunching the numbers! I’m considering cancelling my Logic sub and deleting so that’ll free up some space for me. Do you have all PSP IAPs or just those 3? I have 2-3 of the IAPS now and it takes up about 15gb or so I believe. I only have 80 GB free (add 14 to that after Logics gone) but I’m upgrading to a 1 TB next month so I’m kinda thinking “why not” right now lol

  • edited August 2023

    @jamietopol said:
    I agree that Yamaha's "negligence" towards iOS is really sad. Yamaha released the "AN2105" (similar to the AN1X) as part of their Synth Book app and I think it includes some great patches. I don't think there is much else available by Yamaha.
    Other developers have done a very nice job modeling the DX7 (e.g., KQ Dixie).

    I don’t get it either. Synth Book app sounds great and could be amazing as an AU groovebox with the ANX engine (which is one of the all time best VA engines, imo). FM essentials is AU but you can’t have separate settings for each instance and you can only make your own sounds as you have just 10 presets without the unlock.

    I can’t imagine how much people would pay for a CS80 iOS clone directly from Yamaha. I’m glad other devs are doing the work for them but it’s so weird they neglect iOS so much when basically all the other big synth corps are on here. Moog, Korg, and Roland.

    Now we just need Dave Smith and Dreadbox 🫡

  • @HotStrange said:
    Do you have all PSP IAPs or just those 3? I have 2-3 of the IAPS now and it takes up about 15gb or so I believe. I only have 80 GB free (add 14 to that after Logics gone) but I’m upgrading to a 1 TB next month so I’m kinda thinking “why not” right now lol

    I only have 'Factory Content' (it's roughly 6GB) and both TGX-85 and BlueBeast, the others are of little interest to me.
    (There's a few smaller packs with preses that use the bundled wave-tables).

  • @Samu said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Do you have all PSP IAPs or just those 3? I have 2-3 of the IAPS now and it takes up about 15gb or so I believe. I only have 80 GB free (add 14 to that after Logics gone) but I’m upgrading to a 1 TB next month so I’m kinda thinking “why not” right now lol

    I only have 'Factory Content' (it's roughly 6GB) and both TGX-85 and BlueBeast, the others are of little interest to me.
    (There's a few smaller packs with preses that use the bundled wave-tables).

    So when all is said and done you’re looking at roughly 25ish gb of storage for each IAP? Are you using internal storage or an SSD? Would you say it’s worth it? I’m very tempted by this. I was on the verge of buying the Triton IAP in module (and still may because I love those sounds) but PSP with these expansions seem like the gold standard of ROMplers for iOS. Which is something I miss having now that I have no space for hardware.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Samu said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Do you have all PSP IAPs or just those 3? I have 2-3 of the IAPS now and it takes up about 15gb or so I believe. I only have 80 GB free (add 14 to that after Logics gone) but I’m upgrading to a 1 TB next month so I’m kinda thinking “why not” right now lol

    I only have 'Factory Content' (it's roughly 6GB) and both TGX-85 and BlueBeast, the others are of little interest to me.
    (There's a few smaller packs with preses that use the bundled wave-tables).

    So when all is said and done you’re looking at roughly 25ish gb of storage for each IAP? Are you using internal storage or an SSD? Would you say it’s worth it? I’m very tempted by this. I was on the verge of buying the Triton IAP in module (and still may because I love those sounds) but PSP with these expansions seem like the gold standard of ROMplers for iOS. Which is something I miss having now that I have no space for hardware.

    I’m using the internal storage on my 11” M1 iPad Pro and since I no longer hoard apps I’ve still got >50% free on the 256GB…

    The Korg Triton IAP for Module Pro which I also have is smaller with 100 presets, they are very true to the original which can’t be said for some of the PSP sounds especially for the SY-85 which I own…
    (You just can’t ‘sample’ velocity and aftertouch sensitive envelopes that control pitch, amp and filter and effect send and expect it to be as dynamic as the original hardware as one example).

    I would prefer ‘real’ emulations of the Yamaha hardware and if those pop up in similar sizes as the Korg M1 and WaveStation apps PureSynth and it’s IAPs will be offloaded faster than lightning…

    I do NOT like Gigabyte sized romplers in general, it’s a total waste of storage for the few sounds the may be somewhat enjoyable to play…

    I’d say that the PSP rompler packs are a taster of what the hardware can do but definitely not an accurate replacement especially considering their synthesis capabilities.

    But it’s all a matter of preference…

    I might even delete that TGX85 pack at some point and replace the sequences with audio recorded from the real SY-85…

    Ultimately it’s your decision :sunglasses:

  • @Samu said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Samu said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Do you have all PSP IAPs or just those 3? I have 2-3 of the IAPS now and it takes up about 15gb or so I believe. I only have 80 GB free (add 14 to that after Logics gone) but I’m upgrading to a 1 TB next month so I’m kinda thinking “why not” right now lol

    I only have 'Factory Content' (it's roughly 6GB) and both TGX-85 and BlueBeast, the others are of little interest to me.
    (There's a few smaller packs with preses that use the bundled wave-tables).

    So when all is said and done you’re looking at roughly 25ish gb of storage for each IAP? Are you using internal storage or an SSD? Would you say it’s worth it? I’m very tempted by this. I was on the verge of buying the Triton IAP in module (and still may because I love those sounds) but PSP with these expansions seem like the gold standard of ROMplers for iOS. Which is something I miss having now that I have no space for hardware.

    I’m using the internal storage on my 11” M1 iPad Pro and since I no longer hoard apps I’ve still got >50% free on the 256GB…

    The Korg Triton IAP for Module Pro which I also have is smaller with 100 presets, they are very true to the original which can’t be said for some of the PSP sounds especially for the SY-85 which I own…
    (You just can’t ‘sample’ velocity and aftertouch sensitive envelopes that control pitch, amp and filter and effect send and expect it to be as dynamic as the original hardware as one example).

    I would prefer ‘real’ emulations of the Yamaha hardware and if those pop up in similar sizes as the Korg M1 and WaveStation apps PureSynth and it’s IAPs will be offloaded faster than lightning…

    I do NOT like Gigabyte sized romplers in general, it’s a total waste of storage for the few sounds the may be somewhat enjoyable to play…

    I’d say that the PSP rompler packs are a taster of what the hardware can do but definitely not an accurate replacement especially considering their synthesis capabilities.

    But it’s all a matter of preference…

    I might even delete that TGX85 pack at some point and replace the sequences with audio recorded from the real SY-85…

    Ultimately it’s your decision :sunglasses:

    I got the Blue Beast first and I’m enjoying it so far. Sounds good which is enough for me. The Triton I’ll definitely be getting as it’s one of my favorite romplers ever and based on the trial is does indeed sound very close to the original.

    I haven’t played either of these Yamaha romplers in the flesh so I can’t comment but they sound good to me on iOS so far which is all that matters I guess 😂 but yeah the storage is…a lot. Like you, if Yamaha comes along and offers their own AU for under 1 gig, I’ll offload these in a heartbeat. Thanks Sam!

  • Loads of the patches played and some tracking in Loopy Pro, this is packed with nostalgia.

  • @thesoundtestroom said:
    Loads of the patches played and some tracking in Loopy Pro, this is packed with nostalgia.

    Which of the 2 are you liking better? Only have Blue Beast right now but probably gonna buy the other Tomorrow.

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