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Any cheaper alternative to Davinci Resolve for editing from transcription?

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  • edited October 2023

    @scrape said:
    I’d aim to get one of the BMD Speed Editors if I was using Resolve on an iPad. Hopefully they’ll add Fairlight and Fusion later too.

    oh yes, the Speed Editor is a very valuable tool. I use it since it was released, in every Resolve session. The Speed Editor is designed for the Cut Page, but recent updates unlocked many functions for the Edit Page (and other Pages) as well. Very much recommended. The device is made of hard plastic, but the wheel is a high end encoder. Professional quality. Bluetooth works well, so you don’t need a CCK to connect with an iPad (I don’t have a modern iPad that can run Resolve, but I use Bluetooth to connect to a laptop).

    I bought mine with a DaVinci Resolve Studio license included. 300 bucks for the device, and 300 bucks for the license included. Apparently this offer has officially ended, but there may be online stores still having some unsold devices that include this offer.

    —-

    According to posts on the BMD forum, Resolve on iPad, also the version without IAP, includes all Pages. Cut, Edit, Fusion, Color, Fairlight, Deliver. They just aren’t all exposed, because the touch input may not be as good. For example, the Fusion Page might be a bit difficult to handle.

    To access the Pages, you need to attach a keyboard, and create key commands.

    —-

    Edit: the Speed Editor is $400 now.

  • edited October 2023

    @scrape said:
    Resolve is pretty fun to use once you get the basics down. Worth the learning curve and is iterating in an exciting way. I don’t know why anyone’s still using Adobe for video or effects at this point.

    many professionals have their standard workflow, and also need to deliver in Avid, Premiere, Final Cut, Edius, Hitfilm, Nuke, etc. But for independent professionals and videographers it is clear that they switch to Resolve, especially when the free version covers almost everything. Many studios have switched too.

    The Studio version is only $300, a one-time purchase. Even though the license is locked to one computer, it is very easy to use this license on a different computer - the former computer isn’t licensed anymore, only the current one. When you return home you can again register with the same serial number, and the different computer loses the license. So you can work anywhere with one single license. It’s a brilliant licensing concept.

  • @Phil999 said:

    @scrape said:
    I’d aim to get one of the BMD Speed Editors if I was using Resolve on an iPad. Hopefully they’ll add Fairlight and Fusion later too.

    oh yes, the Speed Editor is a very valuable tool. I use it since it was released, in every Resolve session. The Speed Editor is designed for the Cut Page, but recent updates unlocked many functions for the Edit Page (and other Pages) as well. Very much recommended. The device is made of hard plastic, but the wheel is a high end encoder. Professional quality. Bluetooth works well, so you don’t need a CCK to connect with an iPad (I don’t have a modern iPad that can run Resolve, but I use Bluetooth to connect to a laptop).

    I bought mine with a DaVinci Resolve Studio license included. 300 bucks for the device, and 300 bucks for the license included. Apparently this offer has officially ended, but there may be online stores still having some unsold devices that include this offer.

    —-

    According to posts on the BMD forum, Resolve on iPad, also the version without IAP, includes all Pages. Cut, Edit, Fusion, Color, Fairlight, Deliver. They just aren’t all exposed, because the touch input may not be as good. For example, the Fusion Page might be a bit difficult to handle.

    To access the Pages, you need to attach a keyboard, and create key commands.

    I was just about to say that, about how you can set up a keyboard shortcut to access Fusion. And apparently the free version already gives you almost all the Fusion features available in the paid Studio version

  • from what I know, all Fusion functionality is there in the non-IAP version, as in the free PC version.

    The difference between Studio and free versions are the denoiser and the transcription tools. Maybe also the Magic Mask, but I’m not sure, and too lazy to check.

  • @Phil999 said:
    from what I know, all Fusion functionality is there in the non-IAP version, as in the free PC version.

    The difference between Studio and free versions are the denoiser and the transcription tools. Maybe also the Magic Mask, but I’m not sure, and too lazy to check.

    Yes, Magic Mask and the transcription tools are the main things I have heard of so far that make the Studio version sound worth grabbing, for me personally. Magic Mask sounds killer, and I’m a sucker for anything cool related to transcription.

  • @scrape said:
    Resolve is pretty fun to use once you get the basics down. Worth the learning curve and is iterating in an exciting way. I don’t know why anyone’s still using Adobe for video or effects at this point.

    Yeah, and the writing's on the wall for the future (IE it's just going to continue that way). Knowing Resolve has value.

  • Magic Mask is indeed great. It can track hair, face, body, or objects independently. For many tasks, Power Windows, Qualifiers, and manually drawn masks aren’t needed anymore. Huge time-saver.

  • @Phil999 said:
    Magic Mask is indeed great. It can track hair, face, body, or objects independently. For many tasks, Power Windows, Qualifiers, and manually drawn masks aren’t needed anymore. Huge time-saver.

    Do you know btw whether the transcription can be exported as a plain text file without any timestamps etc?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Phil999 said:
    Magic Mask is indeed great. It can track hair, face, body, or objects independently. For many tasks, Power Windows, Qualifiers, and manually drawn masks aren’t needed anymore. Huge time-saver.

    Do you know btw whether the transcription can be exported as a plain text file without any timestamps etc?

    Even if you can't, that's easily enough done on the web

  • edited October 2023

    it can be exported as plain text, and as .scr.

    Which gives the editor the opportunity to feed the text into an AI translator, export, and import the translation into Resolve Studio. What normally took hours or days, can be done in short time.

  • @Phil999 said:
    Magic Mask is indeed great. It can track hair, face, body, or objects independently. For many tasks, Power Windows, Qualifiers, and manually drawn masks aren’t needed anymore. Huge time-saver.

    In iOS/iPadOS we have Magic Color app and Cooclip app. Both have this particular feature.
    https://apps.apple.com/es/app/magicolor/id1642492514

  • @Phil999 said:
    it can be exported as plain text, and as .scr.

    Which gives the editor the opportunity to feed the text into an AI translator, export, and import the translation into Resolve Studio. What normally took hours or days, can be done in short time.

    Any particular courses you recommend on learning Resolve? That manual is, like, 2500 pages or something 😂

    @Atlesbe said:

    @Phil999 said:
    Magic Mask is indeed great. It can track hair, face, body, or objects independently. For many tasks, Power Windows, Qualifiers, and manually drawn masks aren’t needed anymore. Huge time-saver.

    In iOS/iPadOS we have Magic Color app and Cooclip app. Both have this particular feature.
    https://apps.apple.com/es/app/magicolor/id1642492514

    Thnx!

  • @Atlesbe said:

    @Phil999 said:
    Magic Mask is indeed great. It can track hair, face, body, or objects independently. For many tasks, Power Windows, Qualifiers, and manually drawn masks aren’t needed anymore. Huge time-saver.

    In iOS/iPadOS we have Magic Color app and Cooclip app. Both have this particular feature.
    https://apps.apple.com/es/app/magicolor/id1642492514

    thank you, good to know.

  • @Gavinski - I learned tons by watching the quick and fun videos by MrAlexTech. On a side note, YouTube autotranscribes anything you post, but does a terrible job. My desktop version of Resolve is unbelievably accurate!

  • @Clam said:
    @Gavinski - I learned tons by watching the quick and fun videos by MrAlexTech. On a side note, YouTube autotranscribes anything you post, but does a terrible job. My desktop version of Resolve is unbelievably accurate!

    Yes, sure I know that about YouTube, and I agree it is crap! Transcriptionist by Wooji Juice (paid version) is much much better than YouTube. Will check out MrAlexTech, thanks - around 250 vids on Resolve? Wow lol

  • @Clam said:
    @Gavinski - I learned tons by watching the quick and fun videos by MrAlexTech. On a side note, YouTube autotranscribes anything you post, but does a terrible job. My desktop version of Resolve is unbelievably accurate!

    MrAlexTech is on my subscribe list, and a couple of others.

    https://www.youtube.com/@CreativeVideoTips

    https://www.youtube.com/@BillyRybka

    https://www.youtube.com/@DarrenMostyn (colour grading)

    https://www.youtube.com/@CullenKelly (colour grading)

    https://www.youtube.com/@LearnColorGrading

    https://www.youtube.com/@CaseyFaris (Fusion)

    https://www.youtube.com/@colorgradinginsights

    However, the best way to learn Resolve fast is from the Blackmagic Design website. Best of all: it is free of charge. These tutorials come in .pdf and are very well written. Sample footage included.

    https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/training

    This is one reason why so many switch to DaVinci Resolve. Their training classes are excellent. Invest one week of your time, and you will know the software well enough to start working and publishing.

  • edited October 2023

    @Phil999 said:

    @Clam said:
    @Gavinski - I learned tons by watching the quick and fun videos by MrAlexTech. On a side note, YouTube autotranscribes anything you post, but does a terrible job. My desktop version of Resolve is unbelievably accurate!

    MrAlexTech is on my subscribe list, and a couple of others.

    https://www.youtube.com/@CreativeVideoTips

    https://www.youtube.com/@BillyRybka

    https://www.youtube.com/@DarrenMostyn (colour grading)

    https://www.youtube.com/@CullenKelly (colour grading)

    https://www.youtube.com/@LearnColorGrading

    https://www.youtube.com/@CaseyFaris (Fusion)

    https://www.youtube.com/@colorgradinginsights

    However, the best way to learn Resolve fast is from the Blackmagic Design website. Best of all: it is free of charge. These tutorials come in .pdf and are very well written. Sample footage included.

    https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/training

    This is one reason why so many switch to DaVinci Resolve. Their training classes are excellent. Invest one week of your time, and you will know the software well enough to start working and publishing.

    An extensive list! Thnx for taking the time.

    That transcription window is very small. Is there no way to enlarge it? Seems hard to select large portions of text without it starting to move very fast once you start scrolling into the area below the text displayed in the window. Impressively fast and accurate transcription indeed though! Faster than Transcriptionist

  • @Gavinski said:

    @scrape said:
    Resolve is pretty fun to use once you get the basics down. Worth the learning curve and is iterating in an exciting way. I don’t know why anyone’s still using Adobe for video or effects at this point.

    Good to know - you sound like you work with this stuff professionally maybe?

    Yeah I have done off and on in various roles for a long time. As have some others on here it seems. Currently in an off phase with a more secure salaried job in a different but interesting, to me, area. COVID wrecked my business and I haven’t the energy to kick it off again. For now at least. The kit gets pretty heavy after a while when you’re working as a one man band. It was all 8mm, 16mm, Super VHS and video feedback through Deluxe Paint on an Amiga when I started as a VJ back in the day. Went on to do a film degree and subsequently crushed most of the fun out of it. Resolve, and the beautiful images you can get with their cameras, has reawakened an energy for more personal music based projects though, and I have a few things on the go. slow progress with a 9 and a 6 year old but no rush.

  • @scrape
    thank you for your insights.

    For me, the Pocket 4k was my first cinema camera. Although I had some experience with an 8mm as a child. With the P4k a dream became true.

    But you have worked with 16mm cameras. Very nice. This is actually the format I would prefer. The P4k gives me something similar, in digital. And rather cheap anamorphic lenses.

  • @Gavinski said:
    That transcription window is very small. Is there no way to enlarge it? Seems hard to select large portions of text without it starting to move very fast once you start scrolling into the area below the text displayed in the window.

    this is probably one of the disadvantages of the relatively small screen of the iPad, even when it’s 12.9”. Maybe this can be improved with an external monitor? I don’t know. I would love to work with Resolve on an iPad and tell you more.

  • Honestly, I think the 4.6K Ursa Mini Pros produce images just as nice as 16mm. They keep on massively improving them so the older versions are getting relatively cheap. Even though you’re not getting 12K images, you still get the 15 stops of dynamic range that makes them special. I’ve not used a Pocket 4K but I know they are really nice in their own way, and a lot lighter, too. > @Phil999 said:

    @scrape
    thank you for your insights.

    For me, the Pocket 4k was my first cinema camera. Although I had some experience with an 8mm as a child. With the P4k a dream became true.

    But you have worked with 16mm cameras. Very nice. This is actually the format I would prefer. The P4k gives me something similar, in digital. And rather cheap anamorphic lenses.

  • @Phil999 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    That transcription window is very small. Is there no way to enlarge it? Seems hard to select large portions of text without it starting to move very fast once you start scrolling into the area below the text displayed in the window.

    this is probably one of the disadvantages of the relatively small screen of the iPad, even when it’s 12.9”. Maybe this can be improved with an external monitor? I don’t know. I would love to work with Resolve on an iPad and tell you more.

    This kind of thing is why apps and iaps need demo modes 😂

  • edited October 2023

    @scrape said:
    Honestly, I think the 4.6K Ursa Mini Pros produce images just as nice as 16mm. They keep on massively improving them so the older versions are getting relatively cheap. Even though you’re not getting 12K images, you still get the 15 stops of dynamic range that makes them special.

    that is interesting. An Ursa Mini Pro giving similar images as 16mm. I’ve read this on other forums, but to read it again is something. 15 stops DR, I wasn’t aware of that. This is very much for an old digital cinema camera. Thank you, very much appreciated.

  • With 15 stops, you can really push the footage around in Resolve and come up with something to your taste.

  • edited October 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @jebni said:
    Descript is the pioneer in this space. There’s a free tier which lets you transcribe a certain number of minutes per month, IIRC.

    I am aware of Descript, thanks, but it doesn't do what I'm looking for, which I described in the first comment, and it strikes me as a bit gimmicky and overpriced. I can get unlimited excellent free transcriptions with incredible accuracy using much cheaper tools and without even needing to upload anything to the internet.

    It might not be for you, but I’m truly puzzled — Descript’s entire raison d’être is about editing the audio or video by the editing the transcript. Unless I’m not getting your intent, that’s what you’re after, correct? The actual transcription is a given. Are you sure you’ve checked it out properly? I mean, I would be utterly appalled if I had to pay those rates purely for transcription. Totally get it if you think it’s too expensive, but surely its core functionality is what you’re describing?

  • @jebni said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @jebni said:
    Descript is the pioneer in this space. There’s a free tier which lets you transcribe a certain number of minutes per month, IIRC.

    I am aware of Descript, thanks, but it doesn't do what I'm looking for, which I described in the first comment, and it strikes me as a bit gimmicky and overpriced. I can get unlimited excellent free transcriptions with incredible accuracy using much cheaper tools and without even needing to upload anything to the internet.

    It might not be for you, but I’m truly puzzled — Descript’s entire raison d’être is about editing the audio or video by the editing the transcript. Unless I’m not getting your intent, that’s what you’re after, correct? The actual transcription is a given. Are you sure you’ve checked it out properly? I mean, I would be utterly appalled if I had to pay those rates purely for transcription. Totally get it if you think it’s too expensive, but surely its core functionality is what you’re describing?

    Also, sure, their pricing tiers are based on hours transcribed, but you’re not actually paying for the transcription per se (this is purely a pricing decision and business model approach), you’re paying (yes, per transcribed hour) for what’s essentially a text editor that can edit audio and video.

  • @jebni said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @jebni said:
    Descript is the pioneer in this space. There’s a free tier which lets you transcribe a certain number of minutes per month, IIRC.

    I am aware of Descript, thanks, but it doesn't do what I'm looking for, which I described in the first comment, and it strikes me as a bit gimmicky and overpriced. I can get unlimited excellent free transcriptions with incredible accuracy using much cheaper tools and without even needing to upload anything to the internet.

    It might not be for you, but I’m truly puzzled — Descript’s entire raison d’être is about editing the audio or video by the editing the transcript. Unless I’m not getting your intent, that’s what you’re after, correct? The actual transcription is a given. Are you sure you’ve checked it out properly? I mean, I would be utterly appalled if I had to pay those rates purely for transcription. Totally get it if you think it’s too expensive, but surely its core functionality is what you’re describing?

    Ah, I stand corrected! That's not what I saw from the description when I checked again online. Good to know it does that but hard pass for me at that price, cheers!

  • BTW... Earlier in this thread I mentioned that I couldn't get the transcription window to resize but I found that it does actually resize - it's just got quite a narrow range in terms of where you can drag to resize it, and also, it only resizes vertically, you can't expand it horizontally. But yes, at least you can expand it and that makes it a lot easier to use than I initially thought 🔥

  • edited October 2023

    After more discussion with BMD support, I found out that you can expand horizontally. The problem is that you can’t drag diagonally, like we are used to with the way AUv3 windows behave in apps like AUM. And indeed, there is even also a delete audio or video function, though it a) is not mentioned in the manual, from what I saw b) requires a long press on selected text to activate, which is a horribly inefficient and slow workflow.

    Makes me wonder what other iOS features are missing from the manual that may be hard to discover otherwise. I must say though, their support, at least the Asia division, is EXCELLENT! There’s a lot to like about this company, I really have a lot of respect for them for avoiding going down the subscription route and for having such excellent customer service - 2 things you don’t often find with big companies making apps these days.

  • I’ve had to call them quite a few times and always fairly satisfactory support in the UK too.

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