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It's not having the impact Riffer did. There are some features lacking that are a real let down. But I've had so much fun with Riffer I happy to hang on to this and see how it grows. Please start with the drums. Horrific sounds and painful beats. Tuning for different guitar setups (I run Eb). Is there a random scale type thing? I haven't found it. Not pumping out much variety yet.
I was getting somewhat decent variety but I’m excited to see where it goes as well. Not sure what you mean about the beats though. They sound fine to me. Very far from painful lol. What issues are you having with yours?
3 patterns, 2 sound sets?
You said it sounded horrible and was painful though so now I’m even more confused with that response 😂 which is it that you have issue with? The lack of sounds or the sounds themselves?
I’m getting way more than just 3 patterns. It seems to making adjustments and changes with each patch. Sometimes more subtle than others though.
Doesn’t seem like the drums are meant to be a huge part of the sound, more there as a placeholder and I think the dev even said as much when OG Riffler was in its first stages and people complained about it. That said it’s a huge improvement over the drums in the original app. For what is essentially an afterthought/placeholder, I don’t have any problems with it. It even fits well enough to leave it on occasions.
I don't think the drums are necessarily meant to be a big part of the app. But they sound horrible (to me) and there are 3 choices of pattern, Classic, Beat, Beat2 and they are pretty annoying (to me). I'd prefer a simple click track.
Are you using it to jam along with or something? That’s the only way I could see needing a click track or drums in general.
The names you listed are the sounds, not the patterns. I’m getting a different drum pattern every time I generate a new rhythm. Are you not?
Bingo
That's good to know. I've only had a short time with it before work today but I didn't notice and change in patterns.
The drums are definitely only very much an afterthought in those apps, to be fair
Try and generate a decent amount back to back. At times it’s harder to notice because it may be subtle (an extra snare hit or something) but others is a lot more noticeable.
May be worth writing to the dev about adding a click track. I thought there was one but now that you mention it I guess not.
There is in the original Riffler, see pic, would be weird if that was left out in the new app, and if it has been left out, it really should be added
Is this a special introductory price? I think not ..
File refund, select “other” or “didn’t mean to purchase” as reason. Approved within 2-3 days, then wait a few more to get your balance back. It’s smooth and I haven’t been denied in years through 10 or 12 refunds. But I do file them immediately upon knowing I got a dud.
I use Riffler as a MIDI generator routed to synths and other apps and never use its built in sounds. Doesn’t look like this version is gonna bring anything new for my use case, unless I’m missing something.
new algorithm generating the riffs - so technically you should end up with riffs that sounds different than what Riffler spits out...
What about a Riffler bundle?
Looks to me like the algorithm generates different stuff. I don’t have it though.
That's pretty clear from listening to them. That's why I'm saying they would be better as a simple click or kick track as opposed to what the are now, which is, IMHO, something really bad.
Yeah, they definitely didn't do the demo video any favours!
It took me way too long to realize it wasn’t very useful to me. I didn’t want to take money from the dev because it’s still a really cool app. Maybe some day I will need a bunch of riffs and the first version will come in handy
@HotStrange Ive loved American Football since I was high school. Cool and surprised to see a fan on here.
One of the immediate differences I saw was that it has some altered chord types that I really wanted to have in the original like sus and dim chords.
I like the new presets as well but I usually play around with chords so I like having that expanded palette.
One of the blurbs Insaw online mentions Gen AI so it’s possible there’s also a new model underneath.
I do think that it looks a bit less full featured than the original (e.g the lack of parameter locks when randomizing), but if the history of the other app is any indication, then I am 99% sure those will be added eventually.
They might have just wanted to get this to market asap. The AI competition in music is heating up (though I think Riffler and Piano Motifs are way ahead of the pack, with stuff like Melody Sauce on PC not too far).
Same here! Been a fan for many years now. Really talented group of guys. Do you like their new stuff also?
Really loving the sound of this ! Only problem I’m having is everything is in drop D , and when I press the button that says drop D , which I presume is to change the tuning it freezes the App. Anyone else having the same issue ? Thanks Guys
Update ! Just had a pop up saying it will be sorted in update 9.92 . When it drops
The difference between the new and old Riffler apps are "Riffler makes heavy, distorted, scale based riffs. Riffler Flow makes softer, clean, arpeggio based riffs." says the developer Jonathan Bell.
So, if you like the original you might also find the new app useful.
Yea I’m definitely getting this, it’s just a matter of time. This one seems closer to the styles of music I make. I mostly use the original app for the midi, once in awhile I might use the audio to chop up or loop, etc.. but the midi is great for leads, basslines, melodies, etc… the drums just help keep the beat or give me some ideas on want to do when I use the midi or audio.
I don’t think this is an intro price, I think it’s regular pricing, but I’m just speculating. That said I’m really hoping for a bundle of the two, since I already have the OG version. I think I only paid $10 for the original, so now that I think about it, if a bundle is $25, I’d still have to pay $15. Well, that plan just went south in two sentences, lol.
Have you checked out the Audiomodern apps? Playbeat is especially impressive AI-wise.
It’s not the same, but sounds very polished. I saw American football three time in 2014 and it was amazing. I missed them in 2000 at my local record store, because I didn’t have a driver’s license at the time.
But I’ve also been a huge fan of Mike Kinsella as Owen. Seen him perform a ton of times and loved his first four albums. I was also a big fan of Ghosts and Vodka, Owls, Capn Jazz, Joan of Arc, and a few other side projects.
One time, Joan of Arc (and a small side project called Love of Everything) played our little record store and then we went out drinking with them after the show, minus Tim Kinsella (who it seems found us annoying). Mike Kinsella wasn’t touring with them at the time, probably because he was very devoted to Owen.
But, we live in Las Vegas, so we went to the strip, ended up at The Bellagio, drank whiskey, and talked bullshit for hours. It was pretty cool. One of the guys touring with Joan of Arc also played drums in Aloha, another band I loved, and we all kept in touch for a few years afterward.
And meeting Victor Villarreal was awesome, because he’s such an amazing guitarist. His work for Owls and Ghosts and Vodka was super influential to me growing up. He probably found me annoying by how much I was gushing over his talent. But maybe he found it flattering.
Damn, sorry that was so long, but I haven’t talked to anyone about this stuff in a long time. I’m 40 now. Anyway I’d love to hear more about your interests as well. Seems like we could chat together sometime.
I bought it last night, seems there is a new update today... Hope the 'Lock Parameters' show up in the next update... Locking 'Key and Progression' is a must when we don't have Midi Chord input..
Thanks..
It looks pretty cool. I bought the original Riffler in anticipation of a Mac version that was "coming soon." Riffler Flow looks like it adds even more flexibility. To me, the UX on Riffler Flow (and Riffler) seem to be a bit better than Piano Motifs.
Yeah I’m hoping that comes soon in an update as well. It’s a really great app otherwise, though it would be cool to see the drums and percussion be taken a step further. Sometimes it’s nice to load Riffler in and let it do its thing with the drums in tandem.