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No headphone jack on any iPad anymore?!? šŸ˜³

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  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @HotStrange said:
    And just as a heads up, you can use your iPad without any of that and just swipe to open it. If it never leaves you or your house, thereā€™s no reason not to do that.

    Assuming your house is break-in proof.

  • edited November 2023

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    And just as a heads up, you can use your iPad without any of that and just swipe to open it. If it never leaves you or your house, thereā€™s no reason not to do that.

    Assuming your house is break-in proof.

    lol cmon yeah obviously thatā€™s a potential issue but unless they also kill you upon entry you could report it as stolen, lock all your cards, etc.

    You can find negatives for literally anything when you get that pedantic, Iā€™m just trying to give them some options šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

    Also if someone breaks into your house does it really matter if your iPad is locked when your wallet, social security cards, etc are all there for the taking?

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    And just as a heads up, you can use your iPad without any of that and just swipe to open it. If it never leaves you or your house, thereā€™s no reason not to do that.

    Assuming your house is break-in proof.

    lol cmon yeah obviously thatā€™s a potential issue but unless they also kill you upon entry you could report it as stolen, lock all your cards, etc.

    You can find negatives for literally anything when you get that pedantic, Iā€™m just trying to give them some options šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

    Also if someone breaks into your house does it really matter if your iPad is locked when your wallet, social security cards, etc are all there for the taking?

    Not gonna argue the point, but also not gonna agree that advising anyone that no authentication on an iOS device is a good idea, nor that in pointing that out I was simply being pedantic.

  • @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @wim said:

    @HotStrange said:
    And just as a heads up, you can use your iPad without any of that and just swipe to open it. If it never leaves you or your house, thereā€™s no reason not to do that.

    Assuming your house is break-in proof.

    lol cmon yeah obviously thatā€™s a potential issue but unless they also kill you upon entry you could report it as stolen, lock all your cards, etc.

    You can find negatives for literally anything when you get that pedantic, Iā€™m just trying to give them some options šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

    Also if someone breaks into your house does it really matter if your iPad is locked when your wallet, social security cards, etc are all there for the taking?

    Not gonna argue the point, but also not gonna agree that advising anyone that no authentication on an iOS device is a good idea, nor that in pointing that out I was simply being pedantic.

    Awesome šŸ‘šŸ»

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  • @tja said:
    @HotStrange I also would not like to have my family find unlocked devices after my death or something, but yes a 1 hour span would help in this ...
    I still don't really like an easy passcode for the device, right now it is semi-cryptic but I can remember it. But I would not like to enter it often.

    Anyways, I tested your idea - and am seeing some problems:

    Touch-Id is also required for the App Store, when buying something.

    And without Touch-Id, this requires the iCloud password, not the Device passcode!
    The iCloud password is very long and cryptic, I cannot and shall not remember it, so would need to use my password safe (Strongbox),

    And then, Touch-Id is also required for opening the password safe itself and for automatic password fill. Without Touch-Id I would really often need to type in passwords - possibly mitigated by changing the config of the safe. I will test this more.

    Sadly, when asking for the iCloud password (App Store) there is not even a possibility to use the password safe - instead you need to have copied this already to the clipboard before.

    So, I am not yet sure that I indeed could live without Touch-Id (and without using Face-Id).

    Gotcha. Unfortunately you may need to compromise with Apple on some ends then unless youā€™re willing to keep using an older device until it finally dies lol

  • @seonnthaproducer said:
    Maybe try for the 9th Generation iPad. Hereā€™s one from the Canadian website

    10.2-inch iPad Wiā€‘Fi 256GB - Silver

    https://store.apple.com/ca/xc/product/MK2P3VC/A

    That's exactly what I did recently. I'm using my wired headphones too often when making music, and the flimsy headphones adapter for newer iPads is no solution for me.

    Who knows, Apple might deliver one day like they did when reintroducing ports and slots in the M1max Macbook Pro - if not, I might have a closer look at the new generation of ARM based Windows tablets and only use the Windows apps that support touch well enough.

  • @HotStrange said:
    Ha you just now found that out? I thought that was old news by this point.

    Sadly true however.

    This was my thought too.
    Then I thought, damn, Iā€™m jealous. Someone not plugged in. That can be a good thing!

  • @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    I have been living without that ports for many years, and donā€™t miss itā€¦

    An adapter for 10 bucks (USB-C to 3.5mm) and an USB-C hub for 30 buck has all I needā€¦

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  • @Greenie said:
    Steve Jobs remember him? Rolling in his grave,no fuckung headphone Jack!

    Are you sure, wasnā€™t him who dropped the floppy disk? Heā€™s probably rolling in his grave laughing!!

  • edited November 2023

    @tja said:
    I just noticed that the Mini 6th is quite similar to the Air 4, but a bit more modern, adding A15 Bionic and true stereo speakers - while also loosing the headphone jack and Lightning.

    So either Air 4 or Mini 6, as iPad 9 is not really an approvement over my Air 3.

    Never had a Mini ... may be a bit small for movies...

    I just had a new battery installed on my Pro 10.5 2017 by Timpson uk. Mistake. I should have kept the original one as the new one isnā€™t much better.

    So, Iā€™ll keep using it for a while still as a sofa music making tab, especially because 9th gen that I was eyeing up doesnā€™t have stereo speakers when in landscape mode.

    BTW, the Jack dongle doesnā€™t sort out the problem because you canā€™t charge while using it and all the reviews for Jack dongles with a charging ports arenā€™t too good. Even the Belkin one that Apple sells on their website has issues.

    The death of the headphone Jack was definitely a serious blow to the sofa musicians community.

  • @supadom said:

    @Greenie said:
    Steve Jobs remember him? Rolling in his grave,no fuckung headphone Jack!

    Are you sure, wasnā€™t him who dropped the floppy disk? Heā€™s probably rolling in his grave laughing!!

    Yeah, thatā€™s what I thought. I canā€™t imagine him having any issues with removing a 140 year old technology.

  • edited November 2023

    I mean, it's an objective fact that the TRS jacks are a bit "last century" and not optimal in technical and space-use terms, so I'm not against SOMEHOW replacing them.

    The main problem isn't really the fact that they have been replaced, but that the devices only have ONE SINGLE PORT.

    If any iOS device, or at least iPads, had THREE lightning ports, then you could just plug "proper" lightning headphones in one, the charger in another, and your audio interface in the third.

    So that's the bottom line to me. The problem is the small number of ports, not which type of port. ā˜ļø

  • Ports are like potatoes, you can never have too many šŸ„”

  • I wonder why Apple doesn't make a USB or Thunderbolt Hub.

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  • edited November 2023

    @tja said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    I mean, it's an objective fact that the TRS jacks are a bit "last century" and not optimal in technical and space-use terms, so I'm not against SOMEHOW replacing them.

    The main problem isn't really the fact that they have been replaced, but that the devices only have ONE SINGLE PORT.

    If any iOS device, or at least iPads, had THREE lightning ports, then you could just plug "proper" lightning headphones in one, the charger in another, and your audio interface in the third.

    So that's the bottom line to me. The problem is the small number of ports, not which type of port. ā˜ļø

    While true, I don't see ANY reason to replace the headphone jack.
    This connector used just used for any and all audio equipment I know!

    Also professional gear used such connectors, in this case the larger variant.
    This is NOT obsolete technology!

    Yes, I wouldn't call it obsolete, but it could be implemented better. Currently it's needlessly long for no reason (socket occupies a lot of space in the device), and it has spring-loaded contacts which often fail to give a proper electrical connection, resulting in noise etc. -- though in Apple's defense, their headphone sockets were actually much better than others in this regard as they seem to use some "advanced" spring-loading that binds to the plug really tightly...

    Also the long plugs mean that there's a huge lever in case you accidentally bump into it, although this is somewhat mitigated by angle connectors (which nobody uses!)

  • @tja said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    I mean, it's an objective fact that the TRS jacks are a bit "last century" and not optimal in technical and space-use terms, so I'm not against SOMEHOW replacing them.

    The main problem isn't really the fact that they have been replaced, but that the devices only have ONE SINGLE PORT.

    If any iOS device, or at least iPads, had THREE lightning ports, then you could just plug "proper" lightning headphones in one, the charger in another, and your audio interface in the third.

    So that's the bottom line to me. The problem is the small number of ports, not which type of port. ā˜ļø

    While true, I don't see ANY reason to replace the headphone jack.
    This connector used just used for any and all audio equipment I know!

    Also professional gear used such connectors, in this case the larger variant.
    This is NOT obsolete technology!

    Apple just wants us to use their Bluetooth stuff ... that's all.

    There are quite a few reasons, and to my understanding itā€™s an ever increasing trend with Android phones and tablets too.

    The main reasons I recall Apple using are that it is takes up internal space that could be used for other components, and that it is a weak point in waterproofing devices.

    Since then there has been a move by all manufacturers to Bluetooth, so I donā€™t think itā€™s just Apple that has the desire to primarily support Bluetooth peripherals.

  • edited November 2023

    @michael_m said:

    @tja said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    I mean, it's an objective fact that the TRS jacks are a bit "last century" and not optimal in technical and space-use terms, so I'm not against SOMEHOW replacing them.

    The main problem isn't really the fact that they have been replaced, but that the devices only have ONE SINGLE PORT.

    If any iOS device, or at least iPads, had THREE lightning ports, then you could just plug "proper" lightning headphones in one, the charger in another, and your audio interface in the third.

    So that's the bottom line to me. The problem is the small number of ports, not which type of port. ā˜ļø

    While true, I don't see ANY reason to replace the headphone jack.
    This connector used just used for any and all audio equipment I know!

    Also professional gear used such connectors, in this case the larger variant.
    This is NOT obsolete technology!

    Apple just wants us to use their Bluetooth stuff ... that's all.

    The main reasons I recall Apple using are that it is takes up internal space that could be used for other components, and that it is a weak point in waterproofing devices.

    Good point about the waterproofing, forgot about that. Although at first glance I can't see an immediate engineering reason for TRS plugs to be less viable for it than, say, Lightning.

    Since then there has been a move by all manufacturers to Bluetooth, so I donā€™t think itā€™s just Apple that has the desire to primarily support Bluetooth peripherals.

    When you CAN use cables, USE cables! ALL radio technologies come with often huge compromises. You have to replace batteries all the time. There's almost always more latency due to the packety nature of the protocols. You litter the space with even more electromagnetic waves. It uses more power. It can be unreliable. Etc.

  • @supadom said:

    @tja said:
    I just noticed that the Mini 6th is quite similar to the Air 4, but a bit more modern, adding A15 Bionic and true stereo speakers - while also loosing the headphone jack and Lightning.

    So either Air 4 or Mini 6, as iPad 9 is not really an approvement over my Air 3.

    Never had a Mini ... may be a bit small for movies...

    I just had a new battery installed on my Pro 10.5 2017 by Timpson uk. Mistake. I should have kept the original one as the new one isnā€™t much better.

    So, Iā€™ll keep using it for a while still as a sofa music making tab, especially because 9th gen that I was eyeing up doesnā€™t have stereo speakers when in landscape mode.

    BTW, the Jack dongle doesnā€™t sort out the problem because you canā€™t charge while using it and all the reviews for Jack dongles with a charging ports arenā€™t too good. Even the Belkin one that Apple sells on their website has issues.

    The death of the headphone Jack was definitely a serious blow to the sofa musicians community.

    As I can tell, no problem whatever With this hub from Amazon - 12.9ā€ M1

  • @tja just got a 9th iPad. Works great. Was on sale for BF probably still is.

  • @SevenSystems said:
    When you CAN use cables, USE cables! ALL radio technologies come with often huge compromises. You have to replace batteries all the time. There's almost always more latency due to the packety nature of the protocols. You litter the space with even more electromagnetic waves. It uses more power. It can be unreliable. Etc.

    I totally agree with this as Bluetooth is not good for making music. My point was really that thereā€™s an industry-wide trend towards Bluetooth devices now. Music makers are too small of a market segment to have any impact on that.

  • edited November 2023

    Itā€™s kind of worrying that they decided to ditch a tried and true way of connecting audio for over 40 years with a technology like bluetooth that comes with quite a few major downsides and only a couple slight improvements over the standard. I wonder how long bluetooth will survive as the medium of choice for consumer audio. Probably not 40 years šŸ˜…

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    I have been living without that ports for many years, and donā€™t miss itā€¦

    You might not be using headphones often.
    For me, the 3.5mm audio port is the only way to connect headphones without latency and without additional dongles.

  • @Crano said:
    Itā€™s kind of worrying that they decided to ditch a tried and true way of connecting audio for over 40 years with a technology like bluetooth that comes with quite a few major downsides and only a couple slight improvements over the standard. I wonder how long bluetooth will survive as the medium of choice for consumer audio. Probably not 40 years šŸ˜…

    I think audio jacks have been around for more like 140 years, not 40.

  • @Crano said:
    Itā€™s kind of worrying that they decided to ditch a tried and true way of connecting audio for over 40 years with a technology like bluetooth that comes with quite a few major downsides and only a couple slight improvements over the standard. I wonder how long bluetooth will survive as the medium of choice for consumer audio. Probably not 40 years šŸ˜…

    Consumers have been accepting lower and lower fidelity in music reproduction for many decades now. I would not bet against that trend.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    Consumers have been accepting lower and lower fidelity in music reproduction for many decades now. I would not bet against that trend.

    In audio, it's not just music. It's also spoken word. Some of what podcasters find acceptable background sound or vocal fidelity I find shocking. And yet, for some reason (consumerism), the opposite is true when it comes to video. Gotta have 4K because SD, HD and 2K were not good enough to see the nostril hairs of the athletes you watch compete.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @tja just got a 9th iPad. Works great. Was on sale for BF probably still is.

    Same here! My sister got me one because my iPad broke. Itā€™s great.

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