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No headphone jack on any iPad anymore?!? šŸ˜³

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  • iPad Air uses Touch ID

  • I think overall removing it was a good idea but not replacing well enough is where they went wrong. As has been said here, at least 2 ports, 1 for headphones and 1 for charging or anything else, wouldā€™ve been bare minimum.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    Walking down the street holding an ipad with two hands and operating with thumbs. I absolutely fell in love with this during my commuting days. Dongle breaks that.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    Walking down the street holding an ipad with two hands and operating with thumbs. I absolutely fell in love with this during my commuting days. Dongle breaks that.

    Iā€™m just curious how the dongle breaks that? Itā€™s essentially the same as using a headphone port.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @supadom said:

    @tja said:
    I just noticed that the Mini 6th is quite similar to the Air 4, but a bit more modern, adding A15 Bionic and true stereo speakers - while also loosing the headphone jack and Lightning.

    So either Air 4 or Mini 6, as iPad 9 is not really an approvement over my Air 3.

    Never had a Mini ... may be a bit small for movies...

    I just had a new battery installed on my Pro 10.5 2017 by Timpson uk. Mistake. I should have kept the original one as the new one isnā€™t much better.

    So, Iā€™ll keep using it for a while still as a sofa music making tab, especially because 9th gen that I was eyeing up doesnā€™t have stereo speakers when in landscape mode.

    BTW, the Jack dongle doesnā€™t sort out the problem because you canā€™t charge while using it and all the reviews for Jack dongles with a charging ports arenā€™t too good. Even the Belkin one that Apple sells on their website has issues.

    The death of the headphone Jack was definitely a serious blow to the sofa musicians community.

    As I can tell, no problem whatever With this hub from Amazon - 12.9ā€ M1

    Thatā€™s a > @kidslow said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    Consumers have been accepting lower and lower fidelity in music reproduction for many decades now. I would not bet against that trend.

    In audio, it's not just music. It's also spoken word. Some of what podcasters find acceptable background sound or vocal fidelity I find shocking. And yet, for some reason (consumerism), the opposite is true when it comes to video. Gotta have 4K because SD, HD and 2K were not good enough to see the nostril hairs of the athletes you watch compete.

    Iā€™d argue that if the musical or spoken content is interesting/relatable to the listener, it will trump the sound quality in most cases.

    Weā€™re all here obsessed with sound quality listening in hi res on good to best quality equipment. Most listen to lowest quality files on shittiest equipment.

    I donā€™t find it shocking at all. Itā€™s like a chef being surprised that people go eat at McDonaldā€™s.

  • @HotStrange said:
    Iā€™m just curious how the dongle breaks that? Itā€™s essentially the same as using a headphone port.

    Same, I just leave the dongle connected to my headphones now. It's tiny and doesn't weight anything. Only $9 to replace, could be WAY worse. Dongle has a better D/A than the old headphone jack too, another bonus.

  • @Tarekith said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Iā€™m just curious how the dongle breaks that? Itā€™s essentially the same as using a headphone port.

    Same, I just leave the dongle connected to my headphones now. It's tiny and doesn't weight anything. Only $9 to replace, could be WAY worse. Dongle has a better D/A than the old headphone jack too, another bonus.

    Yep same here. Havenā€™t taken the dongle off my monitors inā€¦I dunno how long lol.

    I can see the argument about not being able to charge simultaneously but just walking around with headphones, seems like the dongle would feel the exact same.

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  • edited November 2023

    @tja said:
    This topic is over anyways, as only the iPad 9 still offers a jack. And that's nothing I would buy over my Air 3.

    For me, the remaining question is, wether I could live without Touch-Id, and from what I tested today, this does not really work for me - using passcode and passwords all over the day (without using Face-Id).

    So finally, as I like to have real stereo, only Air 4 or Mini 6 remain!

    Mini 6 is still available new, so first I will check for ways to still get a new Air 4 - while think about getting my first (and last) Mini instead.

    My air 5 which came out just last year has Touch ID and the M1 chip. Itā€™s still sold new as well I believe. It should be as itā€™s barely been out 2 years now. Itā€™s been great for me. Can handle a lot of apps and runs smooth and quickly. Great screen too.

  • @tja said:
    This topic is over anyways, as only the iPad 9 still offers a jack. And that's nothing I would buy over my Air 3.

    For me, the remaining question is, wether I could live without Touch-Id, and from what I tested today, this does not really work for me - using passcode and passwords all over the day (without using Face-Id).

    So finally, as I like to have real stereo, only Air 4 or Mini 6 remain!

    Mini 6 is still available new, so first I will check for ways to still get a new Air 4 - while think about getting my first (and last) Mini instead.

    How are other devices not real stereo? Arenā€™t devices functionally the same as far as stereo is concerned regardless of whether they have a 3.5mm jack or not?

  • @supadom said:

    Weā€™re all here obsessed with sound quality listening in hi res on good to best quality equipment. Most listen to lowest quality files on shittiest equipment.

    I donā€™t find it shocking at all. Itā€™s like a chef being surprised that people go eat at McDonaldā€™s.

    Us old guys remember when everyone was trying to get the best audio playback equipment they could afford. Everyone! Now it's a tiny niche hobby that most people never even notice or care about. It's a massive cultural shift.

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  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @supadom said:

    Weā€™re all here obsessed with sound quality listening in hi res on good to best quality equipment. Most listen to lowest quality files on shittiest equipment.

    I donā€™t find it shocking at all. Itā€™s like a chef being surprised that people go eat at McDonaldā€™s.

    Us old guys remember when everyone was trying to get the best audio playback equipment they could afford. Everyone! Now it's a tiny niche hobby that most people never even notice or care about. It's a massive cultural shift.

    Yeah, I get your perspective but Iā€™m only 52 so can only use my empathy skills šŸ¤£

    Jokes aside. Yes, many things have changed and I suppose only a certain age bracket knows both then and now. When the last of us falls there will only be old movies and Wikipedia to remind folks of the times long gone.

    The good thing about tech is that it makes quality equipment more accessible. A half decent pair of earphones can be had for as little as Ā£10 with a bit of research and those can be driven by fair quality phones that are available to most. Itā€™s not audiophile stuff but enough to properly hear whatā€™s been recorded.

    When I did my short audio recording course in Milan, Italy I will forever remember a tiny speaker built into an old analog mixing desk. When I asked what was it for I was told that every mix was put through it to emulate a transistor radio. That was the most common way people listened to music at the time. If it didnā€™t sound great on the tiny speaker the mix was inadequate.

  • edited November 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    Walking down the street holding an ipad with two hands and operating with thumbs. I absolutely fell in love with this during my commuting days. Dongle breaks that.

    Iā€™m just curious how the dongle breaks that? Itā€™s essentially the same as using a headphone port.

    The headphone jack was in the corner of the ipad and not in the middle, which is where my hand goes.

  • wimwim
    edited November 2023

    @AudioGus said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    Walking down the street holding an ipad with two hands and operating with thumbs. I absolutely fell in love with this during my commuting days. Dongle breaks that.

    Iā€™m just curious how the dongle breaks that? Itā€™s essentially the same as using a headphone port.

    The headphone jack was in the corner of the ipad and not in the middle, which is where my hand goes.

    Prolly saved your life from getting hit by a car or walking into a manhole though. šŸ˜‰

  • @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    Walking down the street holding an ipad with two hands and operating with thumbs. I absolutely fell in love with this during my commuting days. Dongle breaks that.

    Iā€™m just curious how the dongle breaks that? Itā€™s essentially the same as using a headphone port.

    The headphone jack was in the corner of the ipad and not in the middle, which is where my hand goes.

    Prolly saved your life from getting hit by a car or walking into a manhole though. šŸ˜‰

    Hehe, an artist suffers for their work,

  • @AudioGus said:

    @wim said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @tja said:
    News about rumored new iPad Air and Mini versions, probably dropping Touch-ID support got me checking out the current iPad line-up ...

    And to my total dismay, I noticed that NONE of the current iPads supports a headphone jack!

    So it seems, I lost the chance to get the final iPad that supports both Touch-ID and a headphone jack.

    I could live with USB-C instead of Lightning, but I cannot love without those two features ...

    I will check what the latest version of Mini, Air and small Pro were which still supported them and if they are still available to be bought - at best new, of course.

    Why are a 3.5mm audio port sooo important?

    Walking down the street holding an ipad with two hands and operating with thumbs. I absolutely fell in love with this during my commuting days. Dongle breaks that.

    Iā€™m just curious how the dongle breaks that? Itā€™s essentially the same as using a headphone port.

    The headphone jack was in the corner of the ipad and not in the middle, which is where my hand goes.

    Prolly saved your life from getting hit by a car or walking into a manhole though. šŸ˜‰

    Hehe, an artist suffers for their work,

    šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ fair enough šŸ©¼šŸ©¼

  • @tja said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @tja said:
    This topic is over anyways, as only the iPad 9 still offers a jack. And that's nothing I would buy over my Air 3.

    For me, the remaining question is, wether I could live without Touch-Id, and from what I tested today, this does not really work for me - using passcode and passwords all over the day (without using Face-Id).

    So finally, as I like to have real stereo, only Air 4 or Mini 6 remain!

    Mini 6 is still available new, so first I will check for ways to still get a new Air 4 - while think about getting my first (and last) Mini instead.

    My air 5 which came out just last year has Touch ID and the M1 chip. Itā€™s still sold new as well I believe. It should be as itā€™s barely been out 2 years now. Itā€™s been great for me. Can handle a lot of apps and runs smooth and quickly. Great screen too.

    You are totally right šŸ˜³šŸ˜³šŸ˜³

    Why did I disregard the Air 5 and only looked at the Air 4?
    Cannot see any valid reason...
    Maybe because I already knew that it has no headphone jack and only looked at the older devices.

    Great many thanks!
    Will review again!

    Oh nice! Glad I could help :) good luck with the search

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  • @tja said:
    So far, I have 72 Apps installed on the Air 5, compared to 696 on the Air 3 and 1016 on the Pro 12.9 šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

    Not one music App yet ... and if I add them, this will be VERY selective!

    So is your old iPad gonna be the dedicated music iPad and this new one for other things?

  • @tja said:
    I did it.

    I bought a new iPad Air 5!

    Without headphone jack, without home button, but with Touch ID ... M1 processor and 8 GB of RAM.
    This should offer enough performance and reserves for future use.

    What I like so far:

    Connecting this by USB-C to an external monitor while using Bluetooth mouse and keyboard is really neat!
    I am not as happy with stage manager and it's tendency to offer very very small windows in the middle of the screen, but without it, only screen mirroring seems possible.
    And it's has more quirkyness ...
    I still hate the mouse cursor...

    And I would like to see my screens with the Apps and folders on the external display!

    And most important, the "Home" button (as mapped to a mouse button) simply does not show the App Switcher, like it does on the iPad itself!
    How to switch between Apps on the external display?!?

    Right now, I need to move the mouse back to the iPad, then search and start the App - and as it now is visible in the "Recent" part of the menu, I can open the App on the external display.

    Apple REALLY has strange idea!

    So, this is quite new to me and I may learn some more tricks - hopefully enough so that I could work with an external display.

    I assume you got a USB C hub, too? I think people often assume that using USB C for audio out means that you canā€™t charge simultaneously, which is simply not true if youā€™ve got a hub that also has USB C in for power delivery from a battery or power adpater, which is most of them, as far as I can tell. (Also: does your monitor support charging and acting as a hub? Thatā€™s also nice. Though Iā€™ve never seen a monitor that converts USB audio to headphone jack.)

    Yes, I know itā€™s a pain having a substantial extra thing flapping about, but if charging while listening is the scenario, youā€™re not exactly going to be walking down the street while using it. And if you ARE just walking down the street, a USB C to headphone adapter is just as lightweight as a Lightning-to-headphone one, right? My bluetooth headphones died recently and I had to use a Lightning adapter, which was ā€œfineā€. Yes, itā€™s one more thing to lose, and it's multiple dongles depending on the scenario, and yes, itā€™s ridiculous.

  • edited February 2

    Also, I donā€™t want to get too fanboy here, but Apple are helpfully very stubborn about biometric data staying on the device. I donā€™t think thereā€™s any difference between Touch ID and Face ID in this regard. Isnā€™t this why they originally created the Secure Enclave, which is now part of the SoC? As in, their refusal to involve server farms in any kind of biometric authentication means theyā€™ve now made it a core part of their ā€œCPU" architecture. (And as the celebrity iCloud hacks demonstrate, I think itā€™s far worse having personal photos in the cloud than having biometric data locked in the SoC on your device. And itā€™s not just ā€œhackersā€ that can get access to that cloud data, itā€™s the cops ā€” see below.)

    I think this style of thinking also applies to their approach to AI ā€” as I understand it, they have cores dedicated to AI just so all the machine learning happens on-device. All the automatic categorisation and tagging they do to your photos doesnā€™t happen in the cloud. I guess they still WANT permission to send Siri recordings to a server for ā€œimproving dictationā€, but you donā€™t have to turn that on. People talk about Apple missing many opportunities for more wide-ranging machine learning integration in their products, and I think this stubbornness is part of that. I can respect it.

    I think the biggest count against Apple on the privacy front is that despite the well-publicised case in which they refused to unlock a mass-shooterā€™s phone for the FBI, I think thatā€™s all centred on maintaining the integrity of their secure systems (i.e. official, baked-in backdoors for government would make security a joke), rather than a desire not to comply with law enforcement: they can indeed supply content thatā€™s in iCloud, for example, if itā€™s the subject of an above-board search warrant. Again, this is far more dangerous than what Apple does with your biometric data.

  • Oh, and in case it gets lost in the mush, Iā€™m far more worried about data collection for targeted advertising and other such algorithmic market mechanisms than I am about ā€œsensitiveā€ personal data like photos being accessible by the goon squad, which is bad enough but not going to rot our civilisation in quite the same way as the former.

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  • @tja Iā€™ve not used one, but Iā€™m instinctively with you on the Touch ID power button. Even if it worked flawlessly, I would still always wonder if it was going to fail due to the sheer lack of surface area involved. And yeah, its positioning is not ideal. But then, even using the power button to confirm purchases is enough to drive me insane.

  • @jebni said:
    @tja Iā€™ve not used one, but Iā€™m instinctively with you on the Touch ID power button. Even if it worked flawlessly, I would still always wonder if it was going to fail due to the sheer lack of surface area involved. And yeah, its positioning is not ideal. But then, even using the power button to confirm purchases is enough to drive me insane.

    Yeah, "double-clicking" a tiny thin button with little travel, sharp edges and strong spring loading on the edge of a paper-thin device was probably not one of Apple's best ideas šŸ˜„

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  • You sure this isnā€™t the ā€œdynamic volume buttonsā€ setting? This wasnā€™t ever available for iPads with home buttons, which might be why youā€™ve never seen it.

    https://support.apple.com/en-au/102354

    Additionally, Apple famously donā€™t think thereā€™s a ā€œnormalā€ landscape modeā€¦ until you put a keyboard case on it, in which case it obviously does. Given this ambiguity, when they finally addressed the needs that arise in this scenario, it led to the infamous ā€œyou have to use the old non-magnetic Pencil because we painted ourselves into a corner when we finally put the webcam in the right placeā€ situation. Ugh.

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