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So I bought Buttersynth, and…

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  • edited December 2023

    @Luxthor
    I will stop derailing this thread now. 🫣

    Yeah, me too, instarted it, i take full responsibility 😂🤝

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  • I bought it as everybody was praising it, I test it few days to see it wasn’t meeting my expectations and I had a refund from Apple.

    It was some time and it seems that nothing have really change. Perhaps a too big project for a sole dev without a team behind. Other seems happy with it.

  • edited December 2023

    With 1 exception all of my software considered crucial is by one-man-shows... o:)
    (that exception is the Creamware Scope System, a monster of DSP hardware, jit DSP compiler, and interface software)

  • @Telefunky said:
    With 1 exception all of my software considered crucial is by one-man-shows... o:)

    Quite true , even some nearly Daw like NS2 or AEM and a daw I’d a big big projects . This synth cannot be on my dry of synth as It do t meet what I expect and doesn’t click with me too. One man project or team project is not my selection factor.

  • Yes, you probably just wanted to be nice and excuse politely.
    Tbh I was quite surprised about the result when I quickly counted my main apps under that criterion :o

  • @Telefunky said:
    Yes, you probably just wanted to be nice and excuse politely.
    Tbh I was quite surprised about the result when I quickly counted my main apps under that criterion :o

    I respect the work done in this synth and appreciate that it is not an easy task to do that dev in progress as the dev seems very involved.

  • Version 1.04 - still crashes during editing on my iPhone 15 pro, was even worse on iPad Pro 4-th (less memory, slower cpu).
    Do you guys experience similar behaviour?

    I like, love sound possibilities, but it’s not usable for me as this is catastrophe to so often crash.
    GUI on iPad is nice, but on iPhone too small for me.

  • @szczyp said:
    Version 1.04 - still crashes during editing on my iPhone 15 pro, was even worse on iPad Pro 4-th (less memory, slower cpu).
    Do you guys experience similar behaviour?

    I like, love sound possibilities, but it’s not usable for me as this is catastrophe to so often crash.
    GUI on iPad is nice, but on iPhone too small for me.

    What daw are you hosting it in? Or are you using it standalone?

    I upgraded to iPhone 15 pro max shortly after release and BS hasn’t crashed on me once yet. I’m only using loopy pro as the host though so maybe it’s more forgiving.

    Also, out of interest, what do you have oversampling set to in the oscillator settings?

  • @Fear2Stop said:

    @MrSmileZ said:
    ButterSynth is powerful, but it’s very wavetable…and that is not for everybody

    My most used synths are these…
    1. Tera Pro & all IAPs
    2. Kaspar
    3. Animoog
    4. Aparillo
    5. ButterSynth

    I really had to ponder this and look at my app usage hahaha

    My top 5 (although it’s changing over the past month) this year are :

    1. Iceworks (all tied for first)
    2. Mood
    3. Omega
    4. Phase 84
    5. KQ Dixie

    This is a very personal list, but every app is truly a winner.

  • @gregsmith said:

    @szczyp said:
    Version 1.04 - still crashes during editing on my iPhone 15 pro, was even worse on iPad Pro 4-th (less memory, slower cpu).
    Do you guys experience similar behaviour?

    I like, love sound possibilities, but it’s not usable for me as this is catastrophe to so often crash.
    GUI on iPad is nice, but on iPhone too small for me.

    What daw are you hosting it in? Or are you using it standalone?

    I upgraded to iPhone 15 pro max shortly after release and BS hasn’t crashed on me once yet. I’m only using loopy pro as the host though so maybe it’s more forgiving.

    Also, out of interest, what do you have oversampling set to in the oscillator settings?

    Hi @gregsmith
    Under Drambo, and I noticed when I started to hear little dropouts in the sound (possibly too much cpu usage by all auv3’s) then quickly only BS is crashed, rest auv3 stays stable in the slots.
    I will try new Drambo project with only BS to see if situation is stable.

    And then I will also try use loopy pro as host to see differences overall.
    Oversimplify is set to none in all oscillators and distortion.
    Good to hear at least you have good time with BS.

  • @szczyp said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @szczyp said:
    Version 1.04 - still crashes during editing on my iPhone 15 pro, was even worse on iPad Pro 4-th (less memory, slower cpu).
    Do you guys experience similar behaviour?

    I like, love sound possibilities, but it’s not usable for me as this is catastrophe to so often crash.
    GUI on iPad is nice, but on iPhone too small for me.

    What daw are you hosting it in? Or are you using it standalone?

    I upgraded to iPhone 15 pro max shortly after release and BS hasn’t crashed on me once yet. I’m only using loopy pro as the host though so maybe it’s more forgiving.

    Also, out of interest, what do you have oversampling set to in the oscillator settings?

    Hi @gregsmith
    Under Drambo, and I noticed when I started to hear little dropouts in the sound (possibly too much cpu usage by all auv3’s) then quickly only BS is crashed, rest auv3 stays stable in the slots.
    I will try new Drambo project with only BS to see if situation is stable.

    And then I will also try use loopy pro as host to see differences overall.
    Oversimplify is set to none in all oscillators and distortion.
    Good to hear at least you have good time with BS.

    Thanks for replying. Will report back to @Kirnu

  • edited December 2023

    Started new project under Drambo, no crash from ButterSynth. So maybe it’s crashing is related to overload cpu/memory…? I will try to collect more information and then share. Best possible scenario if I found the limit to avoid, anyway thank you @gregsmith for your comment, this gave me inspiration to not gaveup. I use zoom function to learn controls on gui, later will be fly from memory.

    EDIT; after adding BLEASS SampleWiz2 and loading some (switching) presets ButterSynth crashed, but rest of auv3 stays on slot untouched. BS is sensitive?

  • @szczyp said:
    Started new project under Drambo, no crash from ButterSynth. So maybe it’s crashing is related to overload cpu/memory…? I will try to collect more information and then share. Best possible scenario if I found the limit to avoid, anyway thank you @gregsmith for your comment, this gave me inspiration to not gaveup. I use zoom function to learn controls on gui, later will be fly from memory.

    EDIT; after adding BLEASS SampleWiz2 and loading some (switching) presets ButterSynth crashed, but rest of auv3 stays on slot untouched. BS is sensitive?

    If ButterSynth is actually crashing (experiencing a fatal error), there might be a log file. Search for Analytics Data in Settings. If there are logs (name begins with Buttersynth), it might help to share them with the dev.

  • @uncledave said:

    @szczyp said:
    Started new project under Drambo, no crash from ButterSynth. So maybe it’s crashing is related to overload cpu/memory…? I will try to collect more information and then share. Best possible scenario if I found the limit to avoid, anyway thank you @gregsmith for your comment, this gave me inspiration to not gaveup. I use zoom function to learn controls on gui, later will be fly from memory.

    EDIT; after adding BLEASS SampleWiz2 and loading some (switching) presets ButterSynth crashed, but rest of auv3 stays on slot untouched. BS is sensitive?

    If ButterSynth is actually crashing (experiencing a fatal error), there might be a log file. Search for Analytics Data in Settings. If there are logs (name begins with Buttersynth), it might help to share them with the dev.

    Yes, I have them, will try to send to developer.

  • @szczyp said:

    @uncledave said:

    @szczyp said:
    Started new project under Drambo, no crash from ButterSynth. So maybe it’s crashing is related to overload cpu/memory…? I will try to collect more information and then share. Best possible scenario if I found the limit to avoid, anyway thank you @gregsmith for your comment, this gave me inspiration to not gaveup. I use zoom function to learn controls on gui, later will be fly from memory.

    EDIT; after adding BLEASS SampleWiz2 and loading some (switching) presets ButterSynth crashed, but rest of auv3 stays on slot untouched. BS is sensitive?

    If ButterSynth is actually crashing (experiencing a fatal error), there might be a log file. Search for Analytics Data in Settings. If there are logs (name begins with Buttersynth), it might help to share them with the dev.

    Yes, I have them, will try to send to developer.

    Good. That means there's actually an error in BS, probably in its AUv3 interface code. It should be possible for the dev to fix this.

  • @szczyp said:

    @uncledave said:

    @szczyp said:
    Started new project under Drambo, no crash from ButterSynth. So maybe it’s crashing is related to overload cpu/memory…? I will try to collect more information and then share. Best possible scenario if I found the limit to avoid, anyway thank you @gregsmith for your comment, this gave me inspiration to not gaveup. I use zoom function to learn controls on gui, later will be fly from memory.

    EDIT; after adding BLEASS SampleWiz2 and loading some (switching) presets ButterSynth crashed, but rest of auv3 stays on slot untouched. BS is sensitive?

    If ButterSynth is actually crashing (experiencing a fatal error), there might be a log file. Search for Analytics Data in Settings. If there are logs (name begins with Buttersynth), it might help to share them with the dev.

    Yes, I have them, will try to send to developer.

    Thanks for persevering. @Kirnu is working hard on squishing these bugs and crashlogs usually speed things up

  • I've been disappointed by BS as well, it seems like it's using way more resources than it should. I've made some pretty basic patches on an M1 iPad Pro that have caused crashes, glitches, etc. in AUM. I can't wait to put it to real use, I really like it, but it feels like it needs some optimization work or something. Maybe not running in the most efficient ways it seems to me, but who knows.

  • I like BS , and I accept some current behaviours , even if it’s mean I can/cannot use in certain situations, there is a lot nice features inside, and I observe my trust to developer, because people like @gregsmith and @uncledave support me in help. One day it will be error free instrument. And I was playing only one hour , without crash, and then layered SamoleWiz2 then BS crashed, but again, sound from BS and possibilities are tasty. I use zoom on iPhone to learn GUI, it’s all give me very much fun.

  • @shoegazedivision said:
    I've been disappointed by BS as well, it seems like it's using way more resources than it should. I've made some pretty basic patches on an M1 iPad Pro that have caused crashes, glitches, etc. in AUM. I can't wait to put it to real use, I really like it, but it feels like it needs some optimization work or something. Maybe not running in the most efficient ways it seems to me, but who knows.

    Seems like it varies person to person. Maybe there are certain features that cause it to eat up more CPU than normal. One of my last releases uses Buttersynth in 2 instances with lots of modulations plus various effects, drum machine, bass, sound fx, etc and I never had any problems after working on it for a few hours straight.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @shoegazedivision said:
    I've been disappointed by BS as well, it seems like it's using way more resources than it should. I've made some pretty basic patches on an M1 iPad Pro that have caused crashes, glitches, etc. in AUM. I can't wait to put it to real use, I really like it, but it feels like it needs some optimization work or something. Maybe not running in the most efficient ways it seems to me, but who knows.

    Seems like it varies person to person. Maybe there are certain features that cause it to eat up more CPU than normal. One of my last releases uses Buttersynth in 2 instances with lots of modulations plus various effects, drum machine, bass, sound fx, etc and I never had any problems after working on it for a few hours straight.

    Out of interest, what daw are you hosting BS in?

  • @gregsmith said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @shoegazedivision said:
    I've been disappointed by BS as well, it seems like it's using way more resources than it should. I've made some pretty basic patches on an M1 iPad Pro that have caused crashes, glitches, etc. in AUM. I can't wait to put it to real use, I really like it, but it feels like it needs some optimization work or something. Maybe not running in the most efficient ways it seems to me, but who knows.

    Seems like it varies person to person. Maybe there are certain features that cause it to eat up more CPU than normal. One of my last releases uses Buttersynth in 2 instances with lots of modulations plus various effects, drum machine, bass, sound fx, etc and I never had any problems after working on it for a few hours straight.

    Out of interest, what daw are you hosting BS in?

    So far I’ve only extensively used it in AUM. I think I’ve tried it a couple times in Drambo, Loopy Pro, and Cubasis but not often. I’ve also done a jam with it in Audiobus 3 and SAND but those are basically one time things so I can’t speak on the stability or performance reliably.

    I used them in various hosts during beta testing and CPU was a bit high but seems better optimized now than it was. Still a bit heavy though.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @shoegazedivision said:
    I've been disappointed by BS as well, it seems like it's using way more resources than it should. I've made some pretty basic patches on an M1 iPad Pro that have caused crashes, glitches, etc. in AUM. I can't wait to put it to real use, I really like it, but it feels like it needs some optimization work or something. Maybe not running in the most efficient ways it seems to me, but who knows.

    Seems like it varies person to person. Maybe there are certain features that cause it to eat up more CPU than normal. One of my last releases uses Buttersynth in 2 instances with lots of modulations plus various effects, drum machine, bass, sound fx, etc and I never had any problems after working on it for a few hours straight.

    Out of interest, what daw are you hosting BS in?

    So far I’ve only extensively used it in AUM. I think I’ve tried it a couple times in Drambo, Loopy Pro, and Cubasis but not often. I’ve also done a jam with it in Audiobus 3 and SAND but those are basically one time things so I can’t speak on the stability or performance reliably.

    I used them in various hosts during beta testing and CPU was a bit high but seems better optimized now than it was. Still a bit heavy though.

    That’s a lot of different environments. This one’s gonna be difficult to narrow down I think!

  • @gregsmith said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @shoegazedivision said:
    I've been disappointed by BS as well, it seems like it's using way more resources than it should. I've made some pretty basic patches on an M1 iPad Pro that have caused crashes, glitches, etc. in AUM. I can't wait to put it to real use, I really like it, but it feels like it needs some optimization work or something. Maybe not running in the most efficient ways it seems to me, but who knows.

    Seems like it varies person to person. Maybe there are certain features that cause it to eat up more CPU than normal. One of my last releases uses Buttersynth in 2 instances with lots of modulations plus various effects, drum machine, bass, sound fx, etc and I never had any problems after working on it for a few hours straight.

    Out of interest, what daw are you hosting BS in?

    So far I’ve only extensively used it in AUM. I think I’ve tried it a couple times in Drambo, Loopy Pro, and Cubasis but not often. I’ve also done a jam with it in Audiobus 3 and SAND but those are basically one time things so I can’t speak on the stability or performance reliably.

    I used them in various hosts during beta testing and CPU was a bit high but seems better optimized now than it was. Still a bit heavy though.

    That’s a lot of different environments. This one’s gonna be difficult to narrow down I think!

    That’s one of the hard things for devs now I think is just how many hosts there are and how different they all are. I didn’t even mention BM3, Logic, BAM, MTR, N Track, NS2, etc etc. it’s gonna be a PITA these days lol

  • edited December 2023

    I would just comment on one particular detail some people are mentioning - higher CPU load.

    Well, regarding me, i was waiting for years for complex allrounder iOS synth the Serum type, which will deliver desktop / hw sound quality, and will not sacrifice sound quality for CPU load optimisation (which automatically goes hand in hand with not less sound quality).

    I am glad Butter eats more CPU, i am glad to pay higher CPU load for unparallel desktop / hw level of sound quality. Butter is only one synth available on iOS which i can compare with HW legends like Access Virus, Korg Radias, Nord Lead 3, Novation Supernova, or desktop synths like Serum, Vital. Honestly, i had Access Virus TI and after deep comparison with Butter i literally sold it - i realised that having Butter on iPad it has no benefit for me to own Virus TI anymore.

    Quality comes with costs.

    (another superb synths which are CPU hungry are Moog Model D and Mariana - but those are also much simpler in terms of modulation posibilities, so i am not comparing them here with Butter-type of synth)

  • @dendy said:
    I would just comment on one particular detail some people are mentioning - higher CPU load.

    Well, regarding me, i was waiting for years for complex allrounder iOS synth the Serum type, which will deliver desktop / hw sound quality, and will not sacrifice sound quality for CPU load optimisation (which automatically goes hand in hand with not less sound quality).

    I am glad Butter eats more CPU, i am glad to pay higher CPU load for unparallel desktop / hw level of sound quality. Butter is only one synth available on iOS which i can compare with HW legends like Access Virus, Korg Radias, Nord Lead 3, Novation Supernova, or desktop synths like Serum, Vital. Honestly, i had Access Virus TI and after deep comparison with Butter i literally sold it - i realised that having Butter on iPad it has no benefit for me to own Virus TI anymore.

    Quality comes with costs.

    (another superb synths which are CPU hungry are Moog Model D and Mariana - but those are also much simpler in terms of modulation posibilities, so i am not comparing them here with Butter-type of synth)

    I’m with you here. For how powerful it is, it’s pretty efficient overall. Mariana just sounds amazing.

  • edkedk
    edited July 21

    Hi, interested in Buttersynth but I can't seem to find it in appsliced. Any ideas?
    Also I've got a 2018 ipad from 2018, any one uses the same ipad? How is the performance? Is it CPU intensive?

  • @edk said:
    Hi, interested in Buttersynth but I can't seem to find it in appsliced. Any ideas?
    Also I've got a 2018 ipad from 2018, any one uses the same ipad? How is the performance? Is it CPU intensive?

    Buttersynth isn’t available anymore.

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