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You're very welcome!!
Best wishes, Pete
FWIW, we know the Windows store is working fine for the 24 OTB!
Best wishes, Pete
Hi Pete,
I’m sorry, but the Wotja Watch app is crashing for me on launch (instacrash). WatchOS 9.6.3..
OK, thanks for letting me know. We do get crash reports for watchOS - though they're pretty rare! - so I should be able to figure it out.
Best wishes, Pete
Thanks! Hopefully you can reproduce and squash 🤞🏻
Hi Folks.
FYI we have just now submitted 24.0.1 to the App Stores for review.
24.0.1 - HOT FIX UPDATE
See https://wotja.com/releases for full release details
Best wishes from Tim and Pete
Hi, thanks for all you do for this app. I just recently did the OTB for 23 pro and now think I may have misunderstood a past post and just want to make sure I understand for moving forward at least and in deciding what kind of access to wotja 24 pro I may decide on
I am new to the app so don’t have the history/context others do with previous one time buys. In a thread from a month ago wotja 23 pro OTB was reduced by $15 since it was nearing end of 2023 and the release of 24 pro . I thought I read there were benefits of purchasing the 23 pro at the end of 2023 as a one time buy in terms of access to 24 pro, so I paid 24.99 to just use 23 pro for a month instead of either waiting for the 24 OTB or instead of paying for a month subscription or a 30 day unlock to use 23 pro for the rest of the year, and then doing the 24 OTB . And I just upgraded app and it sounds like I am now back in lite mode unless I purchase 24? Or is it just lite mode for new features and still pro for everything else ?
Reading about what is new for 24 pro and also out of respect and value for your time and work I understand completely why it is another IAP , I’m just trying to understand if there was any reason why getting the OTB at end of 2023 was encouraged as having some sort of benefit for when it’s time for 24 pro, compared to just doing a month of 23 pro then paying the OTB for 24? I know I paid for it at reduced price but it seems like unless I did understand it correctly, it would Have made more sense to just pay for a month of 23 pro and then waited for the OTB of 24 pro?
Since I can’t yet see the price for 24 pro OTB , is there any difference in upgrade pricing for someone who did a OTB for 23 compared to someone who did no OTB until 24 and/or is there any additional differences in feature access if someone did 23 OTB and then 24 OTB compared to someone’s very first OTB being 24 pro ? Without an upgrade price model at least, I’ll have to just pay for several month of wotja 24 during the year here and there , and otherwise use the 23 pro that I recently purchased ( unless I can’t do that If due to upgrading app I would be back in lite mode ?) thanks for answering , I at least want to correctly understand for future years of WOTJA. I tried reading through a lot of info and am still confused so that is why I’m asking (and also can’t see the price yet of the OTB like others have said )
@imtim i figured out why I thought there was a benefit to getting 23 pro in early December (I purchased it December 5th for $24.99)
I read it was a free update for users of wotja 23. And then on top of that I didn’t realize that this was also about Mac and watch, just because this forum focuses on iOS, and this sentence stuck out to me which I misunderstood as being about IOS- (I have ADHD and can get confused with large amounts of info in one chunk like this ) but I basically bought the OTB for 23 after reading this part in particular- “ we recommend considering purchase of the 23 Pro One Time Buy IAP whilst it is still available and before it is removed from sale on Jan 1st 2024. Otherwise, you would need to Go Pro via a Pro Subscription (we expect this should still work for you, but cannot guarantee that) or Pro 30 Day Unlock.“
I’m a teacher who is always having to pay for classroom supplies etc so if I had a different financial situation I’d just treat the extra payment like a tip, that’s just not my situation so it’s why I’m sharing this. For future in terms of accessibility, it would help to not chunk Mac and iOS info all together , for me as an ADHDER it makes a big difference though I also learned my lesson to be more careful moving forward. If allowed, I’ll try to refund the one time buy for dec 5 so I can do the one time buy for 24, otherwise hopefully I at least can stay using 23 pro and not be in lite mode.
Copy paste from other thread in early December —-
“Wotja 23.14.0 update
HEADS UP: This is expected to be the FINAL UPDATE for Wotja 23. Wotja 24 is expected to arrive Jan 1st 2024 and it will be a free update for users of Wotja 23.
IMPORTANT (iOS/iPadOS): Wotja 24 for iOS/iPadOS will require iOS/iPadOS 15 or later (the primary reason being that we require support for StoreKit 2). iOS 15 supported devices go back as far as iPhone 6S. If you have a device that cannot run iOS/iPadOS 15+ and want to use Wotja 23 in Pro mode then, if you have not done so already, we recommend considering purchase of the 23 Pro One Time Buy IAP whilst it is still available and before it is removed from sale on Jan 1st 2024. Otherwise, you would need to Go Pro via a Pro Subscription (we expect this should still work for you, but cannot guarantee that) or Pro 30 Day Unlock.
IMPORTANT (macOS): Wotja 24 for macOS will require macOS 12 (Monterey) or later (the primary reason being that we require support for StoreKit 2, and we only discovered this after we did the release notes for 23.14.0). Monteray supported Macs include some Macs as old as 2013. If you have a Mac that cannot run macOS 12+ and want to use Wotja 23 in Pro mode then, if you have not done so already, we recommend considering purchase of the 23 Pro One Time Buy IAP whilst it is still available and before it is removed from sale on Jan 1st 2024. Otherwise, you would need to Go Pro via a Pro Subscription (we expect this should still work for you, but cannot guarantee that) or Pro 30 Day Unlock.
IMPORTANT (tvOS): Wotja 24 for tvOS will require tvOS 15 or later (the primary reason being that we require support for StoreKit 2). tvOS 15 supported devices go back as far Apple TV HD. See iOS/iPadOS above re Pro mode.
IMPORTANT (watchOS): Wotja 24 for watchOS will require watchOS 6 or later (the primary reason being that we require support for StoreKit 2). watchOS supported devices include Series 1 and 2. See iOS/iPadOS above re Pro mode.
FIXED: Various issues related to document badge display and timeouts.
CHANGED: FX Network Editor now includes a Store button.
CHANGED: Reverted order of Go Pro and Tip groups and revised Tip icons.
OTHER: Various minor bug fixes.
RELEASES: wotja.com/releases
P.S. Love Wotja? Please give a new rating for each update, it really helps us.”
Hi!
To keep the response short, I will just try to answer the points as I understand them!
We tried to be as clear as possible as to the reason for this comment, and which relates to SPECIFICALLY to users whose devices cannot run iOS15+. The reason we stated it at all was because on Dec 31st the 23 OTB was going to be removed from sale, so for someone in this category an OTB would not be purchasable at all after that. FYI we never try to nickel and dime anyone, and we always try to be as clear is possible - we develop Wotja as a passion and the reason we try to provide as many options as possible is so that people can do what suits them. If you are ever unsure about what to get, please just ask (we also have a lot of FAQs on this area - see https://wotja.com/help/#pro)
Apple might give you a refund if you are quick about it - I think they might do it up to 14 days (but I am not sure)? Alternatively, you could keep the 23 Pro OTB and just use Pro mode with the 23 Feature Set. Maybe later in the year you might get an occasional Pro Subscription which would unlock Pro mode for the 24 Feature Set. You can cancel whenever you want and so you could dip in and out to suit you. Maybe even waiting until a 25 Pro OTB in a year's time!
When it comes to iOS/iPadOS/macOS/watchOS/tvOS all being in one bundle, it is a great deal. If we unbundled it all then apart from it being a real headache administratively, then it would not cost any less. Wotja is already very keenly priced - see https://wotja.com/help/#iap-cost.
We try to be clear about what an OTB is, and describe it here: https://wotja.com/help/#otb. Basically if you get a message about Wotja being it Lite mode, then you are using New Features in Wotja 24. See: https://wotja.com/help/#otb-pro-lite
That might be happening if, for example, you have selected one of the new 24 Schemas and are using it for randomisation (see: https://wotja.com/guide/#documents-common-screen-flows)
With a 23 Pro OTB, to use Pro mode with a 23 Feature Set only, we suggest you use the 23 Schemas for randomization, and 23 or earlier Templates/WAE units/SoundFonts etc.
One other thing! The prices of everything are always shown on our downloads page. https://wotja.com/downloads/. We had an issue in the 24.0.0 initial release in that the 24 Pro OTB could not be purchased (doh!). This has been fixed in 24.0.1 which has now been submitted for review.
I hope the above helps!
Best wishes
Tim
Thanks for the explanation, and for the ways I can use wotja, it’s appreciated. > @imtim said:
Happy to help!
Hi Folks.
Just FYI...
24.0.1 for iOS is now approved and live on the App Store and the 24 Pro OTB is therefore finally available. Sorry about the hiccup here....
We can but hope that macOS follows soon!
Best wishes from Tim and Pete
Any videos yet on the new features?
What would you want the videos to address?
Genuine question because they take a fair bit of time to prep and it would help to know what gaps need filling
Hi! Happy to report that I've now tracked down and fixed the issue.
The fix will be in the next release.
Best wishes, Pete
Excellent! Thank you! ❤️
You're very welcome. Thanks for letting us know
Best wishes, Pete
Hi.
It might be just me, but Wotja 24 on Apple TV is showing “Feature Set -23 Pro” and not restoring the 24OTB features. I’m using 2 different Apple IDs on the TV so might be causing the issue..
Outstanding work, flows sound perfectly lush now!
And though you have already noted, Microsoft put up no issues with purchasing the OTB.
Time for some weekend tinkering.
Thanks for letting us know!
Best wishes, Pete
Fabulous - and many thanks for your support!
With best wishes, Pete
I do wonder could be the reason. I can't say for sure how tvOS decides which Apple ID to use for purposes of connecting to the store. Did you perform the 23 OTB purchase from one of the accounts, and the 24 OTB from the other?
Best wishes, Pete
Hi,
Thank you for the response.
No, same account both.
OK, that is certainly puzzling! I'll keep thinking.
Best wishes, Pete
Hi Pete,
Thank you! FYI I’m not sure whether the features set in tv app is actually limited because I am to able to play the 24 schemas without limitations even though app says feature set is 23 Pro
Yes, that is my current working assumption. Great minds thinking alike
Best wishes, Pete
Lets have New Year mix post.
Here's a little mix showing some different uses cases of the new Macro Oscillator 2 (aka Plaits) playing with some more established friends.
Love this. Sounds brilliant, neat use of the sequencer, some gorgeous patch design, and the panned delay on the melody is an insta-steal. There's a fascinating illusion I can't pin down where my ears (possibly only mine) hallucinate a 4-bar chord progression that isn't actually there. Tremendous stuff, and full of inspirational ideas; thanks so much for posting it.
I'm waiting for a free chunk of time to dedicate to getting across the new features, but this is really impressive. Great stuff @UMCorps
@impete @imtim do you have any insight about how many people are using Wotja inside an AU3 host on iOS, vs running it standalone on iOS? I can't remember anyone specifically calling out that they're running Wotja inside an AU3 host so maybe that feature wasn't very popular?
Thanks!
Arps and delays are a perfect pair in my view. There aren't many arp patterns that can't be elevated by a nice tempo synced delay. Steal away..
Same goes for the sound designs too. I post these things so they can be nicked.
I think this is one of the wonders of generative music. Humans love patterns and we instinctively do our best to find them in anything we can. I suppose there is a lot in that mix that suggests you might expect a chord progression somewhere along the line. So you found it!
Was recently doing some fascinating reading about phantom frequencies - aka how come I can hear the bass when my speaker isn't physically capable of moving that much air. Seems like we love to fill in the gaps.