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AUM and Drambo multicore WHEN?

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  • SimonSimon

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    That's great. When you buy bread at the store, you also politely ask if the price you paid for the bread is not too low. Won't the bread shop go bankrupt because you didn't pay enough for it?

    Bread goes stale in a few days and you have to buy more. Apps don't.

    When buying any thing, should you ask about it?

    Yes, if you are smart.

    If you buy a car you would want the car company to still be in business in the next 5 to 10 years so you can get service and spare parts.

    I always think about who I am buying from and if they are a good company "long term" to buy from.

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    @Samu said:

    If I was @j_liljedahl or @giku_beepstreet I'd seriously consider releasing new app versions with multi-core support and yes go full on subscription to create enough income to sustain the app as one time $29.99 apps will not be enough in the long run...

    I’d happily re-purchase multicore versions of both those apps, or pledge money in advance if the devs wanted to check the viability of their time investment to develop this feature.

  • bygjohnbygjohn

    The whole argument here is cockeyed (IMHO). People who are way more knowledgeable than me have already explained why multicore is non-trivial. So it may be a long wait, or may never happen.

    Bottom line is that if you keep running into problems due to lack of it, switch to a host that has it. There are at least three (Cubasis, Logic, MTS, maybe another?).

    Meanwhile lots of people happily use AUM or Drambo productively. They are both being actively maintained, and while I can’t write with any authority on Drambo (because I have it but don’t really use it much), I can say that AUM seems to get updated at light speed if Apple update the OS and break something. And new features are added regularly. And for me, it’s my happy place, where I like working. I don’t sit there pining for multicore support all the time, I just use the thing to make music.

    So the real question is whether whatever you choose to use meets your needs for making music. If so, carry on using it and quit worrying about whether it’s the latest and greatest in the specifications stakes (it’s not a p***ing contest). Otherwise, you have alternatives available.

  • richardyotrichardyot

  • GeoTonyGeoTony

    +1 @bygjohn 👍

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems
    edited January 6

    @wim said:
    Right. Developers are rich, fat, and happy drinking Mai Tais on the beach, just letting the dollars roll in while they sit on their lazy asses. Meanwhile we’re all suffering under the crushing burden of not getting all the performance we need to produce our next world changing masterpiece.

    Glad we got that all cleared up. Now that these slackers have been properly shamed, we’re sure to finally see it all turn around in the next few months. What would we do without such authoritative and incisive experts cutting through these developmental barriers around here?

    Heck, some of them are even so lazy and greedy that they want to make their apps open-source because they've given up on the income and to add insult to injury, propose a ludicrous Kickstarter 😉 (kidding)

    But parallel processing is a nightmare in general. Why don't they just make a new 6502, but make it 64-bit and clock it at 1 THz?

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @soundsgoodbro said:

    @wim said:
    Right. Developers are rich, fat, and happy drinking Mai Tais on the beach, just letting the dollars roll in while they sit on their lazy asses. Meanwhile we’re all suffering under the crushing burden of not getting all the performance we need to produce our next world changing masterpiece.

    Glad we got that all cleared up. Now that these slackers have been properly shamed, we’re sure to finally see it all turn around in the next few months. What would we do without such authoritative and incisive experts cutting through these developmental barriers around here?

    Why should anyone care about the life of a developer who sells his product and has income from it?

    Because they're getting paid $3 per hour. There's this concept called "minimum wage" in many countries 😄

  • SimonSimon

    @bygjohn said:
    So the real question is whether whatever you choose to use meets your needs for making music. If so, carry on using it and quit worrying about whether it’s the latest and greatest in the specifications stakes (it’s not a p***ing contest).

    Sadly, for some people it is.

    They have got it into their heads that they must have the "full power" of multicore and if an app doesn't have it, then is is "completely useless".

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @Simon said:

    @bygjohn said:
    So the real question is whether whatever you choose to use meets your needs for making music. If so, carry on using it and quit worrying about whether it’s the latest and greatest in the specifications stakes (it’s not a p***ing contest).

    Sadly, for some people it is.

    They have got it into their heads that they must have the "full power" of multicore and if an app doesn't have it, then is is "completely useless".

    It reminds me a bit of why everyone now needs "8k" TVs (so that you can see every individual atom in the actor's skin) and HDR (so that you can see both the very dark and very bright atoms side by side 😉).

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    @SevenSystems said:

    @wim said:
    Right. Developers are rich, fat, and happy drinking Mai Tais on the beach, just letting the dollars roll in while they sit on their lazy asses. Meanwhile we’re all suffering under the crushing burden of not getting all the performance we need to produce our next world changing masterpiece.

    Glad we got that all cleared up. Now that these slackers have been properly shamed, we’re sure to finally see it all turn around in the next few months. What would we do without such authoritative and incisive experts cutting through these developmental barriers around here?

    Heck, some of them are even so lazy and greedy that they want to make their apps open-source because they've given up on the income and to add insult to injury, propose a ludicrous Kickstarter 😉 (kidding)

    But parallel processing is a nightmare in general. Why don't they just make a new 6502, but make it 64-bit and clock it at 1 THz?

    Because it would become a microwave, eating up approximately 1600 watts. haha!

  • soundsgoodbrosoundsgoodbro

    @Simon said:

    @bygjohn said:
    So the real question is whether whatever you choose to use meets your needs for making music. If so, carry on using it and quit worrying about whether it’s the latest and greatest in the specifications stakes (it’s not a p***ing contest).

    Sadly, for some people it is.

    They have got it into their heads that they must have the "full power" of multicore and if an app doesn't have it, then is is "completely useless".

    Why are you distorting the original meaning of what was written?
    It was about m-processors not being able to utilize the full capacity due to the hosts not supporting it. You can have the same number of tracks on an old 2020 iPad Pro, the point is that because hosts like AUM and Drambo don't have multi-core support, THIS power of THIS processor becomes useless. I've deciphered to you the meaning of the original post, don't thank me)

  • GeoTonyGeoTony

    Personally I don’t think there are enough notes on a piano. I would have thought 128 or perhaps 256 or some increasing power of 2 would be far better in this digital age 😊

  • LuxthorLuxthor

    @GeoTony said:
    Personally I don’t think there are enough notes on a piano. I would have thought 128 or perhaps 256 or some increasing power of 2 would be far better in this digital age 😊

    Tony, your wishes came true with Entonal Studio, you can go with more than 256. 😅

  • GeoTonyGeoTony

    Good point @Luxthor , I’ve got it as well, happy days 👍

  • bygjohnbygjohn

    @GeoTony said:
    Personally I don’t think there are enough notes on a piano. I would have thought 128 or perhaps 256 or some increasing power of 2 would be far better in this digital age 😊

    🤣

  • pedropedro

    @GeoTony said:
    Personally I don’t think there are enough notes on a piano. I would have thought 128 or perhaps 256 or some increasing power of 2 would be far better in this digital age 😊

    You kid, but it’s 2024 and we still don’t have a decent 256x256 launchpad-like controller, ffs…
    Stupid lazy developers…

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @Luxthor said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @wim said:
    Right. Developers are rich, fat, and happy drinking Mai Tais on the beach, just letting the dollars roll in while they sit on their lazy asses. Meanwhile we’re all suffering under the crushing burden of not getting all the performance we need to produce our next world changing masterpiece.

    Glad we got that all cleared up. Now that these slackers have been properly shamed, we’re sure to finally see it all turn around in the next few months. What would we do without such authoritative and incisive experts cutting through these developmental barriers around here?

    Heck, some of them are even so lazy and greedy that they want to make their apps open-source because they've given up on the income and to add insult to injury, propose a ludicrous Kickstarter 😉 (kidding)

    But parallel processing is a nightmare in general. Why don't they just make a new 6502, but make it 64-bit and clock it at 1 THz?

    Because it would become a microwave, eating up approximately 1600 watts. haha!

    That's not too far off from a gaming PC 😄 yes but I know it's physically impossible...

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @GeoTony said:
    +1 @bygjohn 👍

    +1 here too.

    And would add that @giku_beepstreet and @j_liljedahl are doing an excellent job and don’t deserve these ridiculous accusations.

  • soundsgoodbrosoundsgoodbro

    Enstein's allegory of infinity is finally taking on vivid colors)) Instead of stimulating developers to make high-tech code corresponding to the time and capabilities of devices that are designed for this purpose, they justify laziness and lack of functionality corresponding to the time and needs 😄
    The need for innovation and product improvement pushes progress, not your talk of "everything is fine as it is, let's not change anything". It's like being in some communist hell where everyone gets paid not for what they do, but just because they "did something". Well now it finally becomes clear why we have multicore at a couple of three hosts, everything falls into place) the story about abandoned projects also falls into place))) if even the community itself does not stimulate developers to develop 😄

  • soundsgoodbrosoundsgoodbro

    No offense friends, great talk anyway, it was nice to hear different opinions.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    When will there be multicore? It's been years since these programs came out and we still can't use the full power of the new m1/m2 processors and they are completely useless.

    AUM and Drambo are both being updated at a regular pace so there’s no grounds for calling the developers lazy. That comes across as offensive, actually, but I get the sense that doesn’t bother you and you’re up for having a bit of a scrap 🥊

    So to answer your original question, I’m guessing that multicore will be implemented when that feature request is considered higher priority than the other feature requests in the backlog.

    To request an AUM feature you can post in the Feature Requests channel on the Discord server: https://discord.gg/MJ3dfAgcRn

    To request a Drambo feature you can post in the Feature Wish-lists thread on the Beepstreet forum: https://forum.beepstreet.com/categories/drambo

    Good luck!

  • soundsgoodbrosoundsgoodbro

    @gusgranite said:

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    When will there be multicore? It's been years since these programs came out and we still can't use the full power of the new m1/m2 processors and they are completely useless.

    AUM and Drambo are both being updated at a regular pace so there’s no grounds for calling the developers lazy. That comes across as offensive, actually, but I get the sense that doesn’t bother you and you’re up for having a bit of a scrap 🥊

    Are you one of the developers of AUM or Drambo, were you personally offended by something? Do you have anything to do with these hosts we discussed? If the answer is no, then please do not engage in another justification of non-existent problems and protection of other people's interests. If you are an ordinary user, you a priori should be interested in the realization of such functionality, it's 2024 mate.

    So to answer your original question, I’m guessing that multicore will be implemented when that feature request is considered higher priority than the other feature requests in the backlog.

    To request an AUM feature you can post in the Feature Requests channel on the Discord server: https://discord.gg/MJ3dfAgcRn

    To request a Drambo feature you can post in the Feature Wish-lists thread on the Beepstreet forum: https://forum.beepstreet.com/categories/drambo

    Thanks for links.

    Good luck!

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @soundsgoodbro wrote “ I don't understand why people here are trying to justify lazy developers for not doing multicore, or it's the developers themselves who are doing it, or the developers of crafts like zenbeats 😄 Utter stupidity. ”

    This is generally insulting. Insulting people people and calling them lazy and their work useless (as you did in another post) is going to get pushback … even from people that weren’t the object of your insults.

    I suspect you imagine that these devs earn orders of magnum ore income from these apps than they do.

  • marmakinmarmakin

    I clicked on this thread because it’s actually a really great question.

    Unfortunately, OP has ruined any good discussion though with their entitled and belittling tone.

    This is really seen as more of a community, in which power users and developers can communicate together and help develop this cool little corner of the music world. Comparisons to other retail arrangements totally miss the point of this forum.

  • soundsgoodbrosoundsgoodbro

    @espiegel123 said:
    @soundsgoodbro wrote “ I don't understand why people here are trying to justify lazy developers for not doing multicore, or it's the developers themselves who are doing it, or the developers of crafts like zenbeats 😄 Utter stupidity. ”

    This is generally insulting. Insulting people people and calling them lazy and their work useless (as you did in another post) is going to get pushback … even from people that weren’t the object of your insults.

    At what point did I say anyone's work is useless? If those are your inferences, that's your problem, not mine. I only asked not to justify laziness that brings no progress to what we are discussing.

    I suspect you imagine that these devs earn orders of magnum ore income from these apps than they do.

    I don't imagine anything about their earnings, I don't care how much they earn, if I go shopping for bread, I buy bread, it costs exactly what the store asks for it.

  • soundsgoodbrosoundsgoodbro

    @soundsgoodbro said:

    At what point did I say anyone's work is useless? If those are your inferences, that's your problem, not mine. I only asked not to justify laziness that brings no progress to what we are discussing.

    If there were no good examples like AEMS, mirack, MTS for example, there would be no point of this discussion. But however, these developers have found the strength to implement multicore functionality and it works fine.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @soundsgoodbro said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    When will there be multicore? It's been years since these programs came out and we still can't use the full power of the new m1/m2 processors and they are completely useless.

    AUM and Drambo are both being updated at a regular pace so there’s no grounds for calling the developers lazy. That comes across as offensive, actually, but I get the sense that doesn’t bother you and you’re up for having a bit of a scrap 🥊

    Are you one of the developers of AUM or Drambo, were you personally offended by something? Do you have anything to do with these hosts we discussed? If the answer is no, then please do not engage in another justification of non-existent problems and protection of other people's interests. If you are an ordinary user, you a priori should be interested in the realization of such functionality, it's 2024 mate.

    It's just a good vibes and respect thing. No worries, you be you.

    I don't have a new iPad so this isn't yet a feature request I am looking for. Better performance is always good though so definitely worth letting the developers know how important it is to you and why.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @soundsgoodbro : here are your words: "It's been years since these programs came out and we still can't use the full power of the new m1/m2 processors and they are completely useless."

    You used the word useless.

  • SevenSystemsSevenSystems

    @espiegel123 said:
    @soundsgoodbro : here are your words: "It's been years since these programs came out and we still can't use the full power of the new m1/m2 processors and they are completely useless."

    You used the word useless.

    Maybe he was referring to the processors 😄

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @soundsgoodbro : the developers you are complaining about have different priorities than you. They have chosen to use the time that could have been used to add multicore support to add other features. Those features might not be important to you but might be of great value to others.

    The whole supermarket/bread analogy is inapt.

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