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AUM and Drambo multicore WHEN?
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Same old usual suspects who pile on when someone offers an opinion they don’t agree with, or don’t like how it was expressed.
This place is like a toxic old people’s home.
Software needs to keep pace with hardware development, it will, or will be replaced by better more capable software.
Devs need to be compensated for that.
Let the Devs speak for themselves. You’re nowhere near the projects. You’re not in the company. You’re not an appointed spokesperson.
Hold a civil discussion from your perspective, respectfully, don’t mock and fan the flames. Don’t jump on every little word/phrase just to score points.
Carry yourselves with some dignity. Try harder to be decent human beings.
Multithreading is an interesting topic, miRack development basically started with that - it was out of necessity at the time it was a project for RPi and just couldn't work on one core at all. It was a very interesting programming challenge for sure, but I can't say it was particularly difficult. Then there were some tweaks and tricks needed to be done for iOS, but again not nearly as bad as it may sound from some of the comments. Would I have done it though had it not been required from the beginning? I personally probably would, because tbh I also don't like when something isn't being used to its full potential, but I can't blame developers not doing it if that's not really limiting the usability of their specific apps.
For clarity: I don’t think that Devs are lazy. I understand about priorities and the commercial factors for Devs. I think Devs should be compensated for all their work. I have nothing against old peoples homes or old people. I think the OP meant the additional unutilised power of the modern hardware was practically useless as it wasn’t being used by certain software.
Congratulations on getting someone banned who simply held a different opinion and perspective and could have expressed it differently 🤷♂️
Oh come off it. He had plenty of opportunities to express himself differently. He was just enjoying being a prick about it.
It really make things so different in real world scenario?? I wanted to test this myself and tried in my Air 4 with audiothing outer space (it takes lot of CPU at 16x oversampling) in both AUM and miRack, just adding plug-in instances until I reach 100% CPU and sound is not usable:
@j_liljedahl AUM- 128 samples latency- got 6 instances running with CPU meter 94-98%
@mifki MiRack, 128 latency, DSP threads to 4 - got 14 instances running with CPU meter 91-97%
This is way more than I expected! AUM is my main mixer-dawless daw-live playground and would be wonderful to take the advantage of multi thread built in, is almost like jumping to a new device ! The same difference in real world use between my old iPad Pro 10’5 and the Air 4 when I got it!
I disagree with your opinion, respectfully. Also, really no need for foul language and name calling.
Interesting. Wasn’t this the OP’s real point and as referenced elsewhere, double+ the instrument/effect instances possible?
Of course priorities, ease of implementation and the commercial viability of the upgrade are all considerations for the Devs. Would be interesting to hear their perspectives and thoughts.
I'm sure the developers of most of the plugin hosts will implement multihreading eventually in time whenever the opportunity makes it possible, as it makes sense for their products and will make the apps a better experience.
If it was my app I would probably make it a higher priority than a lot of other requested features. The main task a plugin host does is host plugins, and it does do this more efficiently with multithreading. So if I was a host developer I would plan to make it happen in the long run, it's just good design.
But as it's not been available at the beginning for the older hosts you just have to be patient with indie software, especially iOS because most of the developers work part time on their apps and have other committments.
I am personally starting to use my more efficient hosts and I'm appreciative of them more now as the plugins become more resource intensive, e.g with multiple instances of apps like Moog Mariana, and on my hardware the non multithreading hosts are quite limiting now.
I will upgrade in the future at some point, but I also don't see the benefit in upgrading expensive iPad hardware unless the software uses the available chip resources, that money is much better spent on desktop hardware.
...and you also start to hit some pesky limits of spacetime geometry 🥴
Tried Moog Mariana, can use 3 instances in AUM, 6 in miRack. That’s my Air4… can anyone with newer m1 or m2 devices post their findings?
🤣 also, when you first bought a can of coke from them in 2014, you spent a good bit of money there so you DESERVE the multi-van parallelized delivery of FREE popcorn NOW! 😃
Still persisting? I don’t think the OP ever said they wouldn’t be willing to pay for the upgrade 🤷♂️
I gave the OP the links they needed to make the request to the developers. I hope they follow through as it is a fair ask as you point out. I think the OP also got the argument they were looking for.
I saw that, I hope so too, it could benefit us all and the Devs hopefully.
I think the OP was forced to defend their opinion from the vying pack. They had a point but it was somewhat lost by the activities on both sides, sadly.
I’m surprised, it looks to me like this thread has now been choked by the management as updates are no longer showing at the top of the forum?
Suppression of members and opinions, algorithm manipulation? Surprisingly authoritarian and limiting of individual freedoms. Sad really it’s just an app forum 🤷♂️
Wait, @soundsgoodbro has been banned for standing his ground and defending his opinion?
Maybe it got a little heated but it still stayed civil. Mmh, must have forgotten my censoredhat in the laundry because i don't get it. In Italy this discussion would be nothing more than a typical talk between friends during lunch break.
Well, is he wrong?
But in the end, it is what it is. Not progressing will make room for contenders to fill the gap.
I think you are totally mischaracterizing the engagement.
I was never insulting to OP and he doubled down on insults and was completely unwilling to acknowledge that as lovely as optimizing for M1 and M2 iPads would that there might be reasons other than laziness that a developer might not have implemented those optimizations. I was never insulting. I agreed that the optimizations would be nice.
After his repeated refusals to back off from his hyperbole, I think some people decided to call him out for what was coming across as borderline trollishness.
He wasn't called out for having a different opinion. He was called out for his insistence on rudeness.
The admins jave sunk this thread which allows it to continue to exist but stops going to the top with each new post because the topic degenerated into a discussion of OP.
While it hasn’t been as constructive a conversation as it could’ve been (tho I’m not sure I agree that it rose to the level of banning), I have been following this thread closely (not for drama), think this is an important topic and hope the discussion can continue.
I own a lot of iOS devices, upgrading on a pretty regular basis in the eternal quest for running more music apps simultaneously. That’s costs up to or more than $1000 every time and is a giant pain! Of all the potential upgrades to the magnificent hosts we have, an improvement that could double that capacity as demonstrated above seems like it would have the most direct benefit to users of recent devices over any other new feature imo.
It is something that I think could be well justified as a paid update and I’m sure I could easily justify a relatively significant sum to have it. For example, a $50 upgrade to AUM (my main) would be a no-brainer for me if it doubled the processing headroom and saved me from having to shell out for a new device for another year or two. Same for Loopy Pro or Zenbeats or EG Nodes. (I own but haven’t really delved into Drambo and I own but don’t really like the traditional linear workflow of Cubasis.)
I’d like to see the conversation turn to: How can we make it worth the definitely-not-lazy devs’ time to make something like this a priority? (I’ll be using those links for sure!)
I am not miss categorising anything and resent the accusation. The words and this thread speak for themselves for anyone who cares to read with a more open mind.
The discussion appears to have gotten back on track so there really is no need for it to be further manipulated.
You could start a new topic. I honestly doubt any developer is unaware that people with M1 and M2 devices would like this. They also have more of a sense than any of us of the factors that need to be considered.
You type like a dictator but you have no authority, no power and no remit. There’s no need for a new thread. We have this one.
You have shown yourself to be one of many who try to speak for the Devs but are nowhere near the projects. Not in the company and not an appointed spokesperson. Yours is just an opinion of equal, but no greater, weight to any other.
I think this thread should no longer be manipulated and call for the OP to be reinstated.
Hmmm, interesting to see the new ban threshold.
In what way, were my questions "speaking like a dictator "? I said that if they want an unsunk thread to start a new one.
I then mentioned that developers are aware that people want this. Is that somehow compntroversial in your mind?
I then mentioned some things that developers have to consider.
I don't speak for any of those developers, but I am a retired desktop music software developer with friends that are active iOS music app developers. So, I do have some knowledge about the issues facing developers and the things they have to think about when they decide how to allocate their time.
If you disagree, fine.
These are issues that developers have spoken about quite a lot on the forum. I don't think anything I have said is particularly controversial. Different developers have different priorities. So, given similar circumstances, they'll make a variety of different decisions.
I didn’t accuse you of being controversial 🤷♂️ Your points are perfectly reasonable, if somewhat obvious.
Now, let’s move on and let the thread be about the topic and hopefully hear from more Developers about their thoughts and opinions on optimising their software for the new hardware and the challenges/opportunities they see.
As I’ve said, I think the management have an opportunity to unsink a perfectly reasonable and interesting thread and to reinstate the OP.
Imagine if we could start 2024 with a little more compassion, kindness and understanding. Wouldn’t that be something?
why not just start a new thread? it is less work than asking the admins to get involved.
They were happy to implement an unnecessary ban and manipulate the algorithm - it’s for them to now do the right thing and not bury their mistake.
Did you also change buffer size in each of the Host modules as it defaults to 32 (may or may not make any difference though)?
The Forum rules say "Insulting, bullying, or aggressive behaviour will not be tolerated."
When you insult people by calling them trolls you have gone over the line.