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AUM and Drambo multicore WHEN?

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  • @wormfood said:
    Maybe if you started posting in all caps they would understand, this is some important stuffs and they’re not doing it right?

    😂

  • @soundsgoodbro said:
    I don't understand why people here are trying to justify lazy developers for not doing multicore, or it's the developers themselves who are doing it, or the developers of crafts like zenbeats 😄 Utter stupidity. People pay for software that should work on modern devices, not for mothballed arguments that nobody needs multicore or it doesn't matter.

    Just a reminder of what is generating the pushback.

  • edited January 6

    @espiegel123 said:

    Different developers have different priorities WHICH IS GREAT!!!!! Some developers have decided multi-core support is a key priority. That is awesome. Other developers have different priorities which is also awesome. And they all will watch to see how things pan out and learn from each others' experiences.

    Obviously, in 2024 not having a multicore daw is laziness, or unwillingness to support really important things, which by the way are needed not only for the latest iPad m2, but also for the m1, which came out, attention! In 2021. Now we're already in 2024, in case you forgot about it, Happy New Year!

  • Again: your priorities aren't everyone's. Not implementing what you think is important doesn't make a developer lazy. You have no knowledge about the time required to implement the feature nor how much revenue it might generate -- nor how much revenue other features might generate. If a developer has a large installed base that includes a sizable number of users not running M1 and M2 iPads, it might financially make more sense to prioritize features important to the entire user base.

    Again, I am not saying that there is anything wrong with a developer that prioritizes multi-core support, but it is ludicrous for you to define laziness on YOUR priority.

  • edited January 6

    @espiegel123 said:
    Again: your priorities aren't everyone's. Not implementing what you think is important doesn't make a developer lazy. You have no knowledge about the time required to implement the feature nor how much revenue it might generate -- nor how much revenue other features might generate. If a developer has a large installed base that includes a sizable number of users not running M1 and M2 iPads, it might financially make more sense to prioritize features important to the entire user base.

    Again, I am not saying that there is anything wrong with a developer that prioritizes multi-core support, but it is ludicrous for you to define laziness on YOUR priority.

    Indeed, my priorities, plus the priorities of the mirack, aems, mts, Logic Pro and Cubasis developers and the entire community of these hosts. These are not just my priorities anymore, isn't it obvious? If they were implemented there, it's not just MY priorities, logically?

    You'd be right and I've said this before, if we were asking to implement some completely unnecessary or feature only needed by a super small number of people, then yes.

  • First totally pointless thread of 2024...

    Good to see an AB Forum tradition continue. :smiley:

  • edited January 6

    @michael_m said:
    ![]

    27 new, innovative metronome sounds for Cubasis for this gentleman! And an awesome Halion sampler to top it off! «Tweak the sound of your instruments to perfection!»

  • @soundsgoodbro said:

    @michael_m said:
    ![]

    27 new, innovative metronome sounds for Cubasis for this gentleman! And an awesome Halion sampler to top it off! «Tweak the sound of your instruments to perfection!»

    I rest my case.

  • I wonder if Tesco does home delivery of popcorn 🤔

  • @ecou said:

    @wim said:
    @ecou, it would be a much cleaner test to compare Cubasis 3 with multi-core and without, thus removing other factors between the two apps.

    I agree with you, it was just a little test I did for fun when I got my new iPad. I was not trying to do the ultimate benchmark.

    Interesting numbers thanks… actually, I can try some tests myself as I have C3. I wonder If other daws beat Zenbeats on single core. But like Wim says… c3 we can turn multicore on or off so its a good test bed for this.
    I rarely run big numbers of synths… I'm more of an excessive fx chain kinda guy.

  • @richardyot said:

    Time to go revisit page 2.

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  • @SevenSystems said:
    I wonder if Tesco does home delivery of popcorn 🤔

    They’re just plain lazy if they haven’t implemented that yet.

  • edited January 7

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    When will there be multicore? It's been years since these programs came out and we still can't use the full power of the new m1/m2 processors and they are completely useless.

    Oooh thanks for finally opening my eyes, after long time extensively using Drambo on my iPad Air M1 having lot of fun with it i finally see it's completely useless. I was wrong while using it 😱

    🤡

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    I don't understand why people here are trying to justify lazy developers for not doing multicore, or it's the developers themselves who are doing it, or the developers of crafts like zenbeats 😄 Utter stupidity.

    And i don't understamd why anybody is even trying to explain anything, or meaningfully discuss, with ppl like this 🤔 But that's probably just because of my age, feeling too old for this shit.

  • Developers must alway s weigh the investment required to add a feature after predicting the potential income to be derived.
    The unexpected difficulties of maintenance weigh into this calculus and the last thing a developer is motivated by is the vision of a mob at the gates demanding a feature. If the mob arrives holding money rather than pitchforks then that’s “Go fund Yourself”.

    Multi-core chips are a response to Moore’s Law: you can continue to add transistors to chips but to scale past some physical limits you need to switch to paralleism to use them because you can’t continue to scale the clocks without melting the chip with excess heat.

    Life is nothing if not a quest to manage trade offs and optimize results.

    The audience can influence creators but never truly control them. They are focused on tradeoffs and predictable outcomes.

  • I’m holding a fresh cup of coffee and looking at new pages of this thread in disbelief. 😳

  • @dendy said:

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    When will there be multicore? It's been years since these programs came out and we still can't use the full power of the new m1/m2 processors and they are completely useless.

    Oooh thanks for finally opening my eyes, after long time extensively using Drambo on my iPad Air M1 having lot of fun with it i finally see it's completely useless. I was wrong while using it 😱

    🤡

    Not looking at your old age, which you noted in your comment, please pay attention to the meaning of what wrote. The point was that the new iPad m1/m2 can't run at full capacity with software that isn't updated for multicore. They are practically useless in the case of AUM and Drambo, as the performance compared to iPad 2020 etc, is negligible, that's why multicore is needed, to be able to use m1/m2 processors if not at maximum, at least close to it.

  • @soundsgoodbro said:
    They are practically useless in the case of AUM and Drambo

    I'm not sure why you find them "practically useless".

    AUM and Drambo are 2 of the most popular and used apps by people on this Forum. They don't find them "practically useless".

    You seem to be on your own on this matter.

  • Load up AUM with many apps… they will be distributed across cores.

    So your theory that multi-core is everything’ is just wrong. iOS assigns apps to cores.

    There is no single app that really needs multiple cores to make a new iPad useful.

    I’ve got 28 apps running on my iPhone as I write this.

    Multi-core benefits multi-apps too. IOS timeslices their scheduling anyway. Operating systems balance resources across programs and IOS slowly adds features for more and more complex requirements… with file systems being the most limited resource, IMHO.

    The apps that show up for sharing just drive me crazy when the one that makes logical sense isn’t even there… like an SFZ file showing Kindle but not Isfizz. WTF is going on with file extensions Apple?

    Anyway… iOS works so well for what it is intended: mobility and stability.

  • @Simon said:

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    They are practically useless in the case of AUM and Drambo

    I'm not sure why you find them "practically useless".

    AUM and Drambo are 2 of the most popular and used apps by people on this Forum. They don't find them "practically useless".

    You seem to be on your own on this matter.

    It's not the apps that are useless, it's the CPU power of the m1/m2 that those apps can't utilize. I have already explained 3 times that if you take iPad 2020 and m2 you will get approximately similar performance in number of tracks and so on.

  • @soundsgoodbro said:
    It's not the apps that are useless, it's the CPU power of the m1/m2 that those apps can't utilize. I have already explained 3 times that if you take iPad 2020 and m2 you will get approximately similar performance in number of tracks and so on.

    So what is "practically useless"? The iPad?

    An iPad with performance like a iPad 2020 is "practically useless"? You can't make music with it?

  • @McD said:
    Load up AUM with many apps… they will be distributed across cores.

    So your theory that multi-core is everything’ is just wrong. iOS assigns apps to cores.

    There is no single app that really needs multiple cores to make a new iPad useful.

    I’ve got 28 apps running on my iPhone as I write this.

    Multi-core benefits multi-apps too. IOS timeslices their scheduling anyway. Operating systems balance resources across programs and IOS slowly adds features for more and more complex requirements… with file systems being the most limited resource, IMHO.

    The apps that show up for sharing just drive me crazy when the one that makes logical sense isn’t even there… like an SFZ file showing Kindle but not Isfizz. WTF is going on with file extensions Apple?

    Anyway… iOS works so well for what it is intended: mobility and stability.

    You don't really understand what you are writing about. Multicore allows you to use as much CPU resources as possible by the DAW host, take any host that supports multicore, for example Logic Pro and load 20 model d tracks into it. In AUM you will be able to load 2 or three times less. The difference will be huge. AUM holds at best 8 model d tracks, unlike Cubasis and Logic Pro which allows you to load 20+ tracks. There are tests from me and another user at the beginning of this thread. In general, google what multicore is if you don't know what it means.

  • edited January 7

    @Simon said:

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    It's not the apps that are useless, it's the CPU power of the m1/m2 that those apps can't utilize. I have already explained 3 times that if you take iPad 2020 and m2 you will get approximately similar performance in number of tracks and so on.

    So what is "practically useless"? The iPad?

    An iPad with performance like a iPad 2020 is "practically useless"? You can't make music with it?

    You have earned the flooder 2 badge of this forum, congratulations 🤣

  • @soundsgoodbro said:

    Anyway… iOS works so well for what it is intended: mobility and stability.

    You don't really understand what you are writing about. Multicore allows you to use as much CPU resources as possible by the DAW host, take any host that supports multicore, for example Logic Pro and load 20 model d tracks into it. In AUM you will be able to load 2 or three times less. The difference will be huge. AUM holds at best 8 model d tracks, unlike Cubasis and Logic Pro which allows you to load 20+ tracks. There are tests from me and another user at the beginning of this thread. In general, google what multicore is if you don't know what it means.

    AUM on its own like Drambo is not able to use multicore, iOS itself will allocate resources . It can load 1 core while keeping the rest idle.

  • edited January 7

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    You have earned the flooder 2 badge of this forum, congratulations 🤣

    You can keep your badge bro.

    How about you answer what I asked... if you can.

    What is "practically useless"? The iPad? The apps? Or just your flawed reasoning?

  • @Simon said:

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    You have earned the flooder 2 badge of this forum, congratulations 🤣

    You can keep your badge bro.

    How about you answer what I asked... if you can.

    What is "practically useless"? The iPad? The apps? Or just your flawed reasoning?

    «Practically useless» to discuss about anything with a person who is unable to read the text and engage in constructive dialog 😄

  • @soundsgoodbro said:
    «Practically useless» to discuss about anything with a person who is unable to read the text and engage in constructive dialog 😄

    You said something was "practically useless". Do you not know what you were referring to? Unable to answer a simple question?

  • edited January 7

    @Simon said:

    @soundsgoodbro said:
    «Practically useless» to discuss about anything with a person who is unable to read the text and engage in constructive dialog 😄

    You said something was "practically useless". Do you not know what you were referring to? Unable to answer a simple question?

    Very primitive trolling, not surprising though. Come up with something new, it doesn't work anymore. Practice somewhere in chat rooms, then come back with new ideas. You'll do great, I believe it.

  • edited January 7

    @SevenSystems said:
    I wonder if Tesco does home delivery of popcorn 🤔

    They do! And Tesco has a fleet of delivery vans so it will be really lazy of them if my tub of popcorn is delivered by just one of them.

    It’s 2024 Tesco! I demand that Tesco utilises all of its delivery vans and delivers my one tub of popcorn to me using every single one, thus giving me the best service delivering the freshest tub of popcorn it can.

    I’ll leave Tesco to work out how to do it although I imagine it’s a fairly simple task I’m sure.

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