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Sydney Gadget - anyone using it?
The new Sydney Gadget looks quite interesting - a simple way to drop-in audio loops and have them time-stretched and tempo-synced to your song, Ableton style.
I haven’t seen much talk of it though, aside from one video, anyone jumped in yet? How’s it working for you?
I see it’s popped up as an AU, though without presets or the ability to import audio - has anyone got this working in the purchased version, or is it still buggy?
I’ve tried doing something similar with Neon, but Sydney looks a bit more user-friendly for less-technical bods like myself!
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I have it and it’s a godsend in standalone but there are better auv3 looping options. Sydney’s time stretching doesn’t sound as good as something like Koala.
You can import your own sounds into the auv3 though if you want to try before you buy. It should work if you go this route in the plug-in:
Ah, good point - I didn’t think about using Koala (and I’ve got the IAP’s) - I’ll try that.
Thank you for that - I was trying to import via the program menu, I’ll give it a test run! It’d be good to have it in Gadget too, so I’ll pick it up if it works well as an AU.
Can it do multiOut?
Nope
Wow, well that’s an easy decision to save ten quid!
Update: just seen there’s a tutorial uploaded, just checking that out….
Yep, not doing anything easier for me in AUM that I can’t already do with other apps. Maybe it’s better in Gadget itself, but not tempting me so far.
It shouldn’t be called a ‘sampler’ if it doesn’t actually sample. There is no justification for it and it’s bang out of order for Korg to be doing this.
I do agree, but it lets you 'sample/use' portions of the audio loops the are included, sadly splice, arcade etc. have 'skewed & devalued' the meaning of 'sampling' to just accessing portions of stuff that someone else has already recorded...
The issue for me, which I’ve just experienced in AUM, is that if you select just part of the loaded audio (bearing in mind there’s no snapping, as there is in Mollilooper), and then trigger that, it doesn’t sync with the host. Even selecting say, 50% of the full audio file to loop (which should still stay in sync), it’s way off.
Looking forward to seeing a full demo of how it’s used in AUM, and if I’m missing something here!
Korg aren’t the only ones to be fair. Since „samplers“ started making the transition from hardware to desktop, many a software sample-player has been referred to as a sampler.
The term now is pretty synonymous with describing any instrument that allows you to load and play back sound samples, whether the loading of said sound sample was performed by actually recording it within the instrument itself or not.
The debate about whether it is correct to name a non-recording sample-player a „sampler“ has been raging on KVR for as long as KVR has existed I reckon.
That’s pretty much the way of things now though. Basically everyone is doing it as the term “sampler” means anything that can play samples these days. And a lot producers don’t know or care about the distinction. So I wouldn’t say it’s “bang out of order” more “sadly par for the course”.
Doug's demo:
Do Korg call it a "sampler"?
It says "loop sampler machine" on the app. And their text explains what it is.
I'm not, as I have no need for this. I don't use "samples" though so.. just no need.
What is a ‘sampler’?
Let’s make this a start off point and we’ll go from there.
What is… or what is your understanding of a ‘sampler’
I’m starting to feel like Ismo- the comedian from Finland.
If you have or own a ‘Sampler’ ….. then what would you expect it to do?
btw that guy is hilarious…
I really like it..quite CPU intensive but for my workflow needs its an excellent gadget although im not a serious samplist.
Pretty sure Blocs Wave does this.
Yes - I wish they would call it what it is, a "Sample Player"...
You're all wrong.
Leo's demo:
Anyone know the max. length of sample you can load into Sydney?
No, it’s when you have a nice assortment of either cheeses and meats or various fried foods that are generally appetizers
Now you're just getting political.
This thread is going to get shut down. I just know it.
I've tried it and I find it quite boring in what I can do with my loops - They would have done better in adding a recording and slicing option for my own recorded loops in Stockholm.
That would also make Stockholm a powerful instrument for people who don't own REX files.
Here he is
https://youtube.com/shorts/FwktO0FVdgc?si=h_TG0kKTivnjdRQT
https://youtube.com/shorts/cOy_VS1N5wI?si=e3baJOBMkdJrZp8e
https://youtube.com/shorts/JKtSxVq1ZYU?si=r9oF25IxgNzUhDG9
I find it funny and a bit cute that Propellerheads have managed to keep Rex files locked down to Recycle for all these years. I know you can use Reason to do them now too, an even more expensive method, and they’re no longer called Propellerheads, but I prefer that name. Rex files are everywhere though and my recent Samples From Mars ‘everything’ purchase definitely gained a lot of iOS value with the release of the Stockholm AUv3 (when they mend importing that is). I’ve come close to buying Recycle a few times over the years though so maybe they’ll get my money in the end. They’d definitely get it if they did an iOS version.
would be useful if the ‘tune’ knob was automatable.
I'm not too bothered about the AUv3 part of the update. Working inside the Gadget environment has always been, and still is, my preference for making finished tracks.
I reckon I'll find a lot of uses for Sydney. For starters it should make things a lot easier for me to get the blocs wave and groovebox loops in that I like to build my Gadget tracks around, and any other audio loops I've made from other apps for that matter. Much easier than my original way of breaking them down into smaller even sections in Audioshare and importing them across Bilbao pads for sequencing into reconstruction.
Along with Bilbao, Zurich and Vancouver, it's another way of getting outside audio into Gadget, and that's very welcomed by me. 😁
Looks great in Gadget, but I’m struggling to find any use for it in AUM, it just basically plays a sample when you trigger it. Whoopee - welcome to the 90’s!
What I’d like to be able to do, is to import some audio (that isn’t trimmed perfectly to match the host bpm), change the bpm setting to match the host tempo (preferably with a less tortuous control knob than the current one), make a selection (some snapping and/or guides would be useful), and then have my (warped) selection play in time with the host.
But it doesn’t do this. It plays the selection straight, with no warping, and so unless you use a perfectly trimmed sample, and use tempo-friendly increments via the horrible tiny knobs (e.g. 50%), then it doesn’t stay in sync.
Still waiting to see an example of how to do this in AUM, as aside from a few shots on loading, the videos so far concentrate on using it in Gadget with tempo friendly samples, so maybe it’s possible.
Are you sure you haven’t turned off ‘bpm sync’ by accident? Warping selections seems to work fine here.
You can fine tune values like bpm using a flick gesture, which is a bit weird but does work once you get the hang of it. Also you can zoom in on the waveform to get your loop points more precise. All that said though, I think this gadget shines in standalone rather than as an auv3. We have much better options for this kind of thing outside the walled garden of gadget.
For me as a Gadget user Sydney provides some crunchy goodness.
The timeshift algorithm starts to whistle with the Tune knob below -20. Further emphasized by the different type of Lo-fi effects.
The extreme Tune + Effect + LoFi all interact in a nice way. No regrets buying this.
Sound browser does need some attention from Korg because preview doesn’t work and it shouldn’t disappear when hitting one of the pads.
Indeed, strange omission.