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Sydney Gadget - anyone using it?

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  • SamuSamu

    While the 'preview icon' may seem like it's 'broken' or 'missing' in the Gadget built-in browser a long-tap the the icon works to preview the sounds, both REX and 'Samples'.

  • R_2R_2

    @Samu Preview works flawless for me with both Stockholm and the samplers. Except Sydney (iPad & iPhone).

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @R_2 said:
    For me as a Gadget user Sydney provides some crunchy goodness.
    The timeshift algorithm starts to whistle with the Tune knob below -20. Further emphasized by the different type of Lo-fi effects.
    The extreme Tune + Effect + LoFi all interact in a nice way. No regrets buying this.

    Sound browser does need some attention from Korg because preview doesn’t work and it shouldn’t disappear when hitting one of the pads.

    @RockySmalls said:
    would be useful if the ‘tune’ knob was automatable.

    Indeed, strange omission.

    i’ve put in a request via the korg thingy.. who knows?

  • oldsynthguyoldsynthguy

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @oldsynthguy said:
    Looks great in Gadget, but I’m struggling to find any use for it in AUM, it just basically plays a sample when you trigger it. Whoopee - welcome to the 90’s!

    What I’d like to be able to do, is to import some audio (that isn’t trimmed perfectly to match the host bpm), change the bpm setting to match the host tempo (preferably with a less tortuous control knob than the current one), make a selection (some snapping and/or guides would be useful), and then have my (warped) selection play in time with the host.

    But it doesn’t do this. It plays the selection straight, with no warping, and so unless you use a perfectly trimmed sample, and use tempo-friendly increments via the horrible tiny knobs (e.g. 50%), then it doesn’t stay in sync.

    Still waiting to see an example of how to do this in AUM, as aside from a few shots on loading, the videos so far concentrate on using it in Gadget with tempo friendly samples, so maybe it’s possible.

    Are you sure you haven’t turned off ‘bpm sync’ by accident? Warping selections seems to work fine here.

    Nope, bpm sync is enabled. No warping happening at all. For example if I add two instances with the same sample, make sure tempo is synced with the AUM host, make two different selections of the sample in each Sydney AU instance, and then trigger both at once via the AUM keyboard they play completely out of sync with each other, and the host.

    Maybe it’s because I haven’t purchased it, and using the AU version they’ve enabled. Dunno, I give up now!

  • icsleepersicsleepers

    I bought it, my use case is pretty boring though - last efforts in using loops was jamming stuff into Zurich mostly, which meant sometimes using two or three Zurich’s as needed. With Sydney I can fold up to six in one instrument freeing up space (so long as I don’t need to effect them separately).

    IMO worth a tenner. Pretty happy with this update, haven’t used Gadget in a hot minute but it has been incredibly productive in the past.

  • SamuSamu

    @R_2 said:
    @Samu Preview works flawless for me with both Stockholm and the samplers. Except Sydney (iPad & iPhone).

    Guess they 'missed' to add that since no one apparently previews loops before import LOL :sunglasses:

    Maybe they just rushed out the release for NAMM'24 which begins next week to celebrate 10 years go Gadget...

  • SimonSimon

    @icsleepers said:
    IMO worth a tenner.

    +1.

    It isn't the world's most fully featured sampler, but it is a useful and fun addition to Gadget. I like it.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @Spidericemidas said:
    I'm not too bothered about the AUv3 part of the update. Working inside the Gadget environment has always been, and still is, my preference for making finished tracks.

    I reckon I'll find a lot of uses for Sydney. For starters it should make things a lot easier for me to get the blocs wave and groovebox loops in that I like to build my Gadget tracks around, and any other audio loops I've made from other apps for that matter. Much easier than my original way of breaking them down into smaller even sections in Audioshare and importing them across Bilbao pads for sequencing into reconstruction.

    Along with Bilbao, Zurich and Vancouver, it's another way of getting outside audio into Gadget, and that's very welcomed by me. 😁

    I think I entirely agree with this, but would you be kind and very simply describe your easiest/best ways of bringing in a Blocs thing in? Save as a wave in Files and simply import where it says so etc? Or do you go about it differently?

  • icsleepersicsleepers
    edited January 14

    @JohnnyGoodyear

    Choosing Import from Others will bring up the Files app, so whatever you exported from Blocs (or wherever) you could select and drop right in.

    There’s also a User Samples folder… which I think should be in iCloud Drive / Files > KORG? I may have removed that at some point. Very unsure haha…

  • SpidericemidasSpidericemidas

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Spidericemidas said:
    I'm not too bothered about the AUv3 part of the update. Working inside the Gadget environment has always been, and still is, my preference for making finished tracks.

    I reckon I'll find a lot of uses for Sydney. For starters it should make things a lot easier for me to get the blocs wave and groovebox loops in that I like to build my Gadget tracks around, and any other audio loops I've made from other apps for that matter. Much easier than my original way of breaking them down into smaller even sections in Audioshare and importing them across Bilbao pads for sequencing into reconstruction.

    Along with Bilbao, Zurich and Vancouver, it's another way of getting outside audio into Gadget, and that's very welcomed by me. 😁

    I think I entirely agree with this, but would you be kind and very simply describe your easiest/best ways of bringing in a Blocs thing in? Save as a wave in Files and simply import where it says so etc? Or do you go about it differently?

    Yeah, I haven't tried it yet, but my guess from what I've seen is that I should be able to export loops from Blocs and Groovebox to Audioshare first and then get them into Korg's user library from Audioshare. Then get them into Sydney from the Korg user library just like I would for Bilbao, Vancouver and Zurich. That's the route I would use.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @icsleepers @Spidericemidas Thank you Gentlemen. I shall persist etc.

  • SimonSimon
    edited January 14

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @icsleepers @Spidericemidas Thank you Gentlemen. I shall persist etc.

    It works. I have imported my Blocs samples from AudioShare into Sydney without problem.

  • SpidericemidasSpidericemidas

    @Simon said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @icsleepers @Spidericemidas Thank you Gentlemen. I shall persist etc.

    It works. I have imported my Blocs samples from AudioShare into Sydney without problem.

    Excellent! 👍
    So this opens up very interesting possibilities for working inside the Gadget environment.

    I'm thinking, with our setups and jams in AUM, it's possible in AUM to set it to record perfect specified loop lengths of them which can be saved to Audioshare as individual stems.
    As long as they don't exceed the maximum sample length in Sydney, the stems from AUM could be imported to Sydney's trigger pads via Audioshare for rebuilding a whole AUM setup inside Gadget very easily.

    The sounds of all those other AUv3 synths through the many AUv3 fx in AUM could be brought into Gadget quite easily as audio loops for continuing building a track around them.

    As a dedicated Gadget user, THAT IS exciting to me! 😁

    I tinker in AUM and do have loads of setups which produce a good rhythm section. But I'm not much of a live jammer to get a full performance or structured track out of AUM, so I've never developed those setups much further. Now it should be possible for me to get them into the Gadget environment where I can easily have control over structuring and organising them and building more around them to produce a finished track.

  • SimonSimon

    @Spidericemidas said:
    I'm thinking, with our setups and jams in AUM, it's possible in AUM to set it to record perfect specified loop lengths of them which can be saved to Audioshare as individual stems.

    Yes.

    I've used 4Pockets' MultiTrack Recorder (and sometimes Neon) loaded in AUM to record loops and edit them before saving to AudioShare or where ever. Both apps are light weight and easy to use.

  • R_2R_2

    Max sample length in Sydney is 30 seconds from my first tests.

  • SimonSimon

    @R_2 said:
    Max sample length in Sydney is 30 seconds from my first tests.

    Thanks!

  • SpidericemidasSpidericemidas

    @R_2 said:
    Max sample length in Sydney is 30 seconds from my first tests.

    That works for me 😁👍
    Thanks for the info!

  • R_2R_2

    Curious where the “Time remaining 60sec” came from. Tried mono sample too: still max 30 secs.

  • icsleepersicsleepers

    30 seconds is pretty generous imo, and WORST case you could split longer ones into two pads (as long as your fx aren’t baked in, ORRR if you got really crafty with baking in the FX tail).

  • buskerbusker

    @R_2 said:
    Curious where the “Time remaining 60sec” came from. Tried mono sample too: still max 30 secs.

    Maybe 60 s mono = 30 s stereo?

    (just a guess, haven't purchased this one yet)

  • oldsynthguyoldsynthguy
    edited January 15

    Figured out why I couldn't get it to timestretch (a manual would have helped save a few hours here...finally twigged after seeing the Soundtestroom video) in AUM - I was changing the BPM setting in Sydney after importing my sample to match the host, but I didn't need to, as it works it out automatically. So basically ignore the bpm displayed in the app.

    So it now warps to match the tempo host, and I can change pitch, but....loops only stay in sync if they're cropped to a certain length. So for example if I import a guitar riff and set it to loop, it doesn't stay in sync like my nicely trimmed drum loops. It doesn't warp my audio to fit the host tempo.

    This is a very weird app, unless I'm still doing it wrong...more than likely....

  • FordTimeLordFordTimeLord

    @oldsynthguy said:
    Figured out why I couldn't get it to timestretch (a manual would have helped save a few hours here...finally twigged after seeing the Soundtestroom video) in AUM - I was changing the BPM setting in Sydney after importing my sample to match the host, but I didn't need to, as it works it out automatically. So basically ignore the bpm displayed in the app.

    So it now warps to match the tempo host, and I can change pitch, but....loops only stay in sync if they're cropped to a certain length. So for example if I import a guitar riff and set it to loop, it doesn't stay in sync like my nicely trimmed drum loops. It doesn't warp my audio to fit the host tempo.

    This is a very weird app, unless I'm still doing it wrong...more than likely....

    Have you tried setting the bpm value to the bpm of the loop itself? That seems to work for me, even with untrimmed loops

  • oldsynthguyoldsynthguy
    edited January 15

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @oldsynthguy said:
    Figured out why I couldn't get it to timestretch (a manual would have helped save a few hours here...finally twigged after seeing the Soundtestroom video) in AUM - I was changing the BPM setting in Sydney after importing my sample to match the host, but I didn't need to, as it works it out automatically. So basically ignore the bpm displayed in the app.

    So it now warps to match the tempo host, and I can change pitch, but....loops only stay in sync if they're cropped to a certain length. So for example if I import a guitar riff and set it to loop, it doesn't stay in sync like my nicely trimmed drum loops. It doesn't warp my audio to fit the host tempo.

    This is a very weird app, unless I'm still doing it wrong...more than likely....

    Have you tried setting the bpm value to the bpm of the loop itself? That seems to work for me, even with untrimmed loops

    Thanks - yes it seems to pick that up automatically from loops with the bpm set, and they do stay in sync, even untrimmed. It's the samples I have that I don't know the bpm for - soundscapes, random samples etc., and these don't sync. It'd be useful if it there was an option for it to sync for an unknown bpm'd file at 100%, and there were then guide points for 25, 50% etc. where I could select sections of the audio that would then stay in sync. (Mollilopper style).

    I want to love this app, and I've got a lot of uses for it in AUM, but for me it's missing a lot of basic functionality. Frustrating! Ah well - back to Koala!

  • FordTimeLordFordTimeLord

    @oldsynthguy said:

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @oldsynthguy said:
    Figured out why I couldn't get it to timestretch (a manual would have helped save a few hours here...finally twigged after seeing the Soundtestroom video) in AUM - I was changing the BPM setting in Sydney after importing my sample to match the host, but I didn't need to, as it works it out automatically. So basically ignore the bpm displayed in the app.

    So it now warps to match the tempo host, and I can change pitch, but....loops only stay in sync if they're cropped to a certain length. So for example if I import a guitar riff and set it to loop, it doesn't stay in sync like my nicely trimmed drum loops. It doesn't warp my audio to fit the host tempo.

    This is a very weird app, unless I'm still doing it wrong...more than likely....

    Have you tried setting the bpm value to the bpm of the loop itself? That seems to work for me, even with untrimmed loops

    Thanks - yes it seems to pick that up automatically from loops with the bpm set, and they do stay in sync, even untrimmed. It's the samples I have that I don't know the bpm for - soundscapes, random samples etc., and these don't sync. It'd be useful if it there was an option for it to sync for an unknown bpm'd file at 100%, and there were then guide points for 25, 50% etc. where I could select sections of the audio that would then stay in sync. (Mollilopper style).

    I want to love this app, and I've got a lot of uses for it in AUM, but for me it's missing a lot of basic functionality. Frustrating! Ah well - back to Koala!

    Ah right, gotcha. I’ve found its auto bpm detection to be a bit lacking personally. It keeps setting itself to a completely different bpm for me. Setting it manually has helped but I haven’t tried anything like soundscapes with it.

  • erosseross

    is there a way to snap the start and end point, to make exact length loops ?

  • rhesliprheslip

    Just noticed if you set it to loop it keeps playing the looped section after the host transport is stopped. Same behaviour in AUM and Nodes.

    So far I’ve had pretty good luck with it detecting bpm and syncing to the host bpm but the stuck loop thing is a bug.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @robosardine said:
    I’m starting to feel like Ismo- the comedian from Finland.

    I hear he is the shit

  • R_2R_2

    @rheslip said:
    Just noticed if you set it to loop it keeps playing the looped section after the host transport is stopped. Same behaviour in AUM and Nodes.

    So far I’ve had pretty good luck with it detecting bpm and syncing to the host bpm but the stuck loop thing is a bug.

    Not sure if that’s a bug or intended, it’s similar in Gadget.
    All loops in the presets are set up with EG Mode set to Gate (instead of One shot).
    When EG is set to One shot and Loop is turned on it’ll keep playing (ignoring note-off and transport stop).

    I guess to have it fully sync with start/stop it must be set to Gate and sequenced.

  • HolyMosesHolyMoses

    @Simon said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @icsleepers @Spidericemidas Thank you Gentlemen. I shall persist etc.

    It works. I have imported my Blocs samples from AudioShare into Sydney without problem.

    And I have imported all my Apple Loops into Korg Sydney - great fun using Pro loops with Sydney.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @HolyMoses said:

    @Simon said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    @icsleepers @Spidericemidas Thank you Gentlemen. I shall persist etc.

    It works. I have imported my Blocs samples from AudioShare into Sydney without problem.

    And I have imported all my Apple Loops into Korg Sydney - great fun using Pro loops with Sydney.

    Interesting. Do tell: Copy and paste somehow or directly from a folder?

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