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App Store to Be 'Split in Two' Ahead of EU iPhone Sideloading Deadline

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  • @filo01 said:

    @HolyMoses said:
    The only thing I miss on iPad is a full blown file manager, just like my favorite since early 1990s - Total Commander (www.ghisler.com)

    A file manager handling every compression format, search & replace filenames, batch renaming files (even extensions), yeah, double view of two devices or folders at once, the list can be long…

    Completely understand. After 30 years with TC I was surprised that there is nothing close to this on iOS. In the end I chose FileBrowser Professional, but I'm still not completely satisfied.

    Perhaps we should mention the app Sample Crate - very good file manager if you in the iOS music making community…

  • Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

  • @HolyMoses said:
    Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

    That is poetic, using an EU de-restriction to circumvent an EU restriction 😂

  • edited September 10

    @HolyMoses said:
    Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

    If a person downloads and uses an app which steals their data or compromises the security of the phone, I take it the Apple warranty won't apply anymore? I don't know how Apple could be expected to carry any responsibility for apps which have not been reviewed or approved by them.

  • wimwim
    edited September 10

    @NeuM said:
    If a person downloads and uses an app which steals their data or compromises the security of the phone, I take it the Apple warranty won't apply anymore? I don't know how Apple could be expected to carry any responsibility for apps which have not been reviewed or approved by them.

    Yes, that is the gist of the PR blitz Apple put out after the announcement of the upcoming change.

    Just to clarify though: Apple doesn't make any warranties about protection of your personal data. Nobody does.
    I'm not saying they don't make a great effort. They do. But there's no guarantee, nor can there ever be.

  • @wim said:

    @NeuM said:
    If a person downloads and uses an app which steals their data or compromises the security of the phone, I take it the Apple warranty won't apply anymore? I don't know how Apple could be expected to carry any responsibility for apps which have not been reviewed or approved by them.

    Yes, that is the gist of the PR blitz Apple put out after the announcement of the upcoming change.

    Just to clarify though: Apple doesn't make any warranties about protection of your personal data. Nobody does.
    I'm not saying they don't make a great effort. They do. But there's no guarantee, nor can there ever be.

    What matters are expectations in the EU regarding legal liability for "unvetted" apps. Do people there really understand the extent of the risks?

  • @NeuM said:

    @wim said:

    @NeuM said:
    If a person downloads and uses an app which steals their data or compromises the security of the phone, I take it the Apple warranty won't apply anymore? I don't know how Apple could be expected to carry any responsibility for apps which have not been reviewed or approved by them.

    Yes, that is the gist of the PR blitz Apple put out after the announcement of the upcoming change.

    Just to clarify though: Apple doesn't make any warranties about protection of your personal data. Nobody does.
    I'm not saying they don't make a great effort. They do. But there's no guarantee, nor can there ever be.

    What matters are expectations in the EU regarding legal liability for "unvetted" apps. Do people there really understand the extent of the risks?

    So, iPhones in the EU are now potentially at risk just like all other non-Apple phones on the planet for the few that choose to go that route. Sorry, I'm not losing any sleep over this one.

    💤 yawn 💤

  • edited September 11

    @MadGav said:

    @HolyMoses said:
    Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

    That is poetic, using an EU de-restriction to circumvent an EU restriction 😂

    In the same time, apps like that I’ve bought seems to be the meaning with this Off-Load thing…

    The restrictions in EU for drones are silly - why should it be more dangerous to fly central Paris & London than New York & Los Angeles as an example?

    In US they can fly 500m high, in EU ”just” 120m - so people in example the Alps (Austria switherland or Italy) they are very limited when flying drones when hiking in the mountains…

    Also, the strength of the controllers signal to the drone is massively reduced in EU - why would we suffer from interference here in EU but not in the urban places of USA and Canada?

    It can be compared if the EU would restrict all new cars sold be limited to just 120 km/h - it would be a massive protest from all drivers in the EU if that should happend…

  • Apple owes $21b to Ireland in taxes after a sweetheart deal was deemed illegal:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-11/apple-to-backpay-13b-euros-to-ireland-in-corporate-tax/104336492

  • @Simon said:
    Apple owes $21b to Ireland in taxes after a sweetheart deal was deemed illegal:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-11/apple-to-backpay-13b-euros-to-ireland-in-corporate-tax/104336492

    The whole trial ended that Apple and Google have to pay 70 billion dollar to EU as a "ticket"...

  • @HolyMoses said:
    It can be compared if the EU would restrict all new cars sold be limited to just 120 km/h - it would be a massive protest from all drivers in the EU if that should happend…

    Oh, we're getting there...
    https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/103530/speed-limiters-now-required-all-new-cars-know-rules-and-how-they-work

  • @Simon said:
    Apple owes $21b to Ireland in taxes after a sweetheart deal was deemed illegal:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-11/apple-to-backpay-13b-euros-to-ireland-in-corporate-tax/104336492

    What does that have to do with this thread?

  • I'd love to sideload apps here in the US. It will probably never happen. Imagine the increase in iOS music apps if Apple loosened its monopolistic reigns. Don't get me wrong. I love Apple products. I have an iPad, a Macbook Pro M3, and an old iMac (and two Macbooks from a decade ago in the closet). I also run an Apple product, Logic Pro, on my new Macbook Pro M3, and did it for a while on the iPad (the interface is irritating to me and it is nowhere as powerful as the desktop version). I don't think Apple will allow sideloading here in the US. they want to remain one of the most profitable corporations and please their stockholders. your music desires come in a distant second or third.

  • @lasselu said:

    @HolyMoses said:
    It can be compared if the EU would restrict all new cars sold be limited to just 120 km/h - it would be a massive protest from all drivers in the EU if that should happend…

    Oh, we're getting there...
    https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/103530/speed-limiters-now-required-all-new-cars-know-rules-and-how-they-work

    This will just create a new market with hackers that can unlock your cars software and therefore get rid of the limitation they will be delivered with…

    Everything can be cracked - I have an Canon digital camera I bought for many years ago, and, I was a little disappointed that it lacked some functions similar Nikon cameras had in the same price range - but, all of a sudden I found a site that had free cracked firmware to my camera, and, voila, everything I missed was there, and, also a lot of improvements Canon should have done if they was interested in old customer…

  • @day_empire said:
    I'd love to sideload apps here in the US. It will probably never happen. Imagine the increase in iOS music apps if Apple loosened its monopolistic reigns. Don't get me wrong. I love Apple products. I have an iPad, a Macbook Pro M3, and an old iMac (and two Macbooks from a decade ago in the closet). I also run an Apple product, Logic Pro, on my new Macbook Pro M3, and did it for a while on the iPad (the interface is irritating to me and it is nowhere as powerful as the desktop version). I don't think Apple will allow sideloading here in the US. they want to remain one of the most profitable corporations and please their stockholders. your music desires come in a distant second or third.

    You can sideload apps in your iPhone right now by jailbreaking it. And you're likely to get hacked as a result. Or you could get a cheapo Android phone and load it up with buggy apps instead.

  • @NeuM said:

    @day_empire said:
    I'd love to sideload apps here in the US. It will probably never happen. Imagine the increase in iOS music apps if Apple loosened its monopolistic reigns. Don't get me wrong. I love Apple products. I have an iPad, a Macbook Pro M3, and an old iMac (and two Macbooks from a decade ago in the closet). I also run an Apple product, Logic Pro, on my new Macbook Pro M3, and did it for a while on the iPad (the interface is irritating to me and it is nowhere as powerful as the desktop version). I don't think Apple will allow sideloading here in the US. they want to remain one of the most profitable corporations and please their stockholders. your music desires come in a distant second or third.

    You can sideload apps in your iPhone right now by jailbreaking it. And you're likely to get hacked as a result. Or you could get a cheapo Android phone and load it up with buggy apps instead.

    Been there, done that. Went back to Apple's jail cell. I was referring to the possibility of apps made by developers AFTER Apple allows sideloading here. It won't happen. Android? Lol. BTW, Apple allows plenty of buggy apps, so you don't need to go anywhere else to get malfunctioning and buggy apps. Do you think Apple cares after you hit that buy button?

  • @NeuM said:

    @Simon said:
    Apple owes $21b to Ireland in taxes after a sweetheart deal was deemed illegal:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-11/apple-to-backpay-13b-euros-to-ireland-in-corporate-tax/104336492

    What does that have to do with this thread?

    I thought about starting a new thread but because it was "Apple business/EU news" I put it in here.

    Feel free to create a new thread if you think it is worth it.

  • @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Simon said:
    Apple owes $21b to Ireland in taxes after a sweetheart deal was deemed illegal:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-11/apple-to-backpay-13b-euros-to-ireland-in-corporate-tax/104336492

    What does that have to do with this thread?

    I thought about starting a new thread but because it was "Apple business/EU news" I put it in here.

    Feel free to create a new thread if you think it is worth it.

    You should create a new thread.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Simon said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Simon said:
    Apple owes $21b to Ireland in taxes after a sweetheart deal was deemed illegal:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-11/apple-to-backpay-13b-euros-to-ireland-in-corporate-tax/104336492

    What does that have to do with this thread?

    I thought about starting a new thread but because it was "Apple business/EU news" I put it in here.

    Feel free to create a new thread if you think it is worth it.

    You should create a new thread.

    Like I said, I don't think it warrants it.

  • @HolyMoses said:
    Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

    Lol that's absolutely epic irony 😂 👍👍👍👍👍

  • @dendy said:

    @HolyMoses said:
    Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

    Lol that's absolutely epic irony 😂 👍👍👍👍👍

    Yeah, isn´t really really funny!!??

    In the same time, now when the options exists I will be very careful what I will be buying on the non-Apple Appstores...

    Glad though that I now have an unrestricted flying drone - will carefully use the new illegal functionalities!! :) :D B)

  • edited September 13

    @HolyMoses said:

    @dendy said:

    @HolyMoses said:
    Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

    Lol that's absolutely epic irony 😂 👍👍👍👍👍

    Yeah, isn´t really really funny!!??

    In the same time, now when the options exists I will be very careful what I will be buying on the non-Apple Appstores...

    Glad though that I now have an unrestricted flying drone - will carefully use the new illegal functionalities!! :) :D B)

    btw out of curiosity - which drone, what features and where exactly to buy this alt app ? I am considering for some time drone purchase and this is good chance to do something against EU rules so it's win-win 🤣🤣

  • edited September 13

    @dendy said:

    @HolyMoses said:

    @dendy said:

    @HolyMoses said:
    Boys & girls, today I bought my first app to my iPhone OUTSIDE of Apples Appstore!

    For me it feels really special that after 16 years with Apple Appstore I could choose something outside from Apples control…

    The first app I bought was an ”cracked” control app to my flying drone that unlock/remove every restriction that EU (European Union) has put on the software that runs the drone…

    Apple would never ever approve such an app in their store…

    Lol that's absolutely epic irony 😂 👍👍👍👍👍

    Yeah, isn´t really really funny!!??

    In the same time, now when the options exists I will be very careful what I will be buying on the non-Apple Appstores...

    Glad though that I now have an unrestricted flying drone - will carefully use the new illegal functionalities!! :) :D B)

    btw out of curiosity - which drone, what features and where exactly to buy this alt app ? I am considering for some time drone purchase and this is good chance to do something against EU rules so it's win-win 🤣🤣

    Hi again Dendy!

    My drone is an Dji Mini 4 Pro, the worlds best and most advanced drone under 250 gram - that means that all SUB250 drones don’t demands any driving license approved by the Aviation Authorities at respective country.

    Also, SUB250 drones category allowed you/we to fly almost everywhere (minus near airports, jails, military bases etc) - the only restriction where we can’t fly is over concerts & sports events, (crowded places) - no problem to fly over your neighborhood or a lot of other places…

    I got the new controller app from https://www.drone-tweaks.com/ and it’s 26 to 39 euro a year (if you wants updates, but if you not upgrade the controllers/drones firmware the first years bought app will stay forever and won’t be disabled) - 26€ for Android and 39€ for iPhone (this only regards the Dji RC-N2 controller there you mount your own smartphone as display).

    I bought the the Dji Mini 4 Pro Fly-More Combo package that contains the other controller compatible with Mini 4 Pro, Dji RC2, a controller with inbuilt display and software running Android, but, after some time I thought RC2 was too heavy and also the display was not bright enough in strong daylight - I then bought the other compatible controller, RC-N2 that you use your own smartphone that often is brighter, and, the combo RC-N2 together with my iPhone 13 Pro Max is way lighter together then RC2 controller…
    So I strongly recommend RC-N2 - the best thing is that you’re not restricted to a smartphone, you can connect any modern tablet, both Android (with USB-C and iPads with both Lightning or USB-C port)…
    Pretty nice to attach my iPad Pro 12.9” on a tripod and really have a nice flying view!

    I must say that after a long life with much electronics, from early 80’s with Commodore VIC-20 to synthesizers, HiFi stuff, yeah, bought “things” in my life for a big amount money, probably way over 100000€, but, this Drone from Dji is the most impressive and advanced “gadget” I have bought in my life!
    Just fly away 8km and you still have great view from the camera is stunning, mostly because this drone weights just 249 gram and still can fly 34 minutes on the rechargeable battery together with everything else, camera system, store pictures and movies, GPS, obstacle Avoidance System in 360 degrades, LED light, top speed around 65 km/h etc etc…

    In EU every drone in this class in locked to max 120m altitude, weaker signal strength from controller to the drone, can’t operate WayPoint Mission if the controller and drone loose the contact.

    The Unlocked App that can be bought let’s you fly 500m high, increase the signal strength dramatically, and, let the drone “fly without the need for controller when in Waypoint Mode"!

    Why EU have this ridiculous kind of restrictions is really weird - in US and UK, Canada, Australia, and countries in Europe outside EU, they all have non restricted Dji Mini 4 Pro - so, as I’ve seen, people flying in Manhattan New York over almost every skyscraper!! People on Balkan flying in the mountains etc…

    There’s a lot more, way more to discuss around this little wonderful drone, but this what at least a start…

    Yesterday I saw a guy that has come along a another new dirty unlock - his photage of central Stockholm was taken from 1016 meters above, with this 249 gram drone!
    They say it can reach around 1100m altitude, but, we have to be carefully about strong winds - this drone can handle up to 10-12 m/s wind strength, but, it can also be drifting away in the wind and emergency landing by it’s own - but, you can find it thru the GPS as long the battery stays fit…
    I have glued an Apple Airtag onto my drone, just to have double security!

    This YT-video from a nice Swedish guy is a good one to start with if you ain’t got any experience of drones:

    Greetings from a sunny Stockholm!

    This is a picture of my setup:

  • @HolyMoses

    Big thanks for detailed info, appreciate it !

  • edited September 13

    @dendy said:
    @HolyMoses

    Big thanks for detailed info, appreciate it !

    You're welcome!

    If your wallet is fat and you can accept to take an driving license, the Dji Mavic Pro v3 is another breathtaking drone - I saw today a movie on YT a guy flying above Mount Everest (!) with his unlocked Mavic Pro v3!

    Mavic Pro v3 has three cameras in different modes - the best is an Hasselblad camera and all three cameras is freakin´good!

    Top speed on Mavic 3 Pro is around 76 km/h (mine Mini 4 Pro goes top speed around 60-65 km/h).

    This is another guy showing Dji Mavic 3 Pro:

  • 1000 meters?? This is absolutely irresponsible. There is a reason why we have rules for everything that flies, both drones and planes, and flying a drone that high is just dangerous. I agree that the EU laws are a bit too strict, but please use your common sense and do things which will result in even more strict rules because someone did something dumb like flying a drone at 1000 meters.

  • @unlink said:
    1000 meters?? This is absolutely irresponsible. There is a reason why we have rules for everything that flies, both drones and planes, and flying a drone that high is just dangerous. I agree that the EU laws are a bit too strict, but please use your common sense and do things which will result in even more strict rules because someone did something dumb like flying a drone at 1000 meters.

    Perhaps you’re right here, but, in the same time, how many dies from gun violence in USA each year (40000) and, do they restricts guns? No…

    In Sweden dies 500 people every years from car accidents, and, we don’t restricts the cars to 40km/h (safer)…
    You get the message…

    If you look at the statistics on private drones accidents every year all over the world, as I have seen it hasn’t been any accidents with death as a result…

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