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Simple Audio Editor -- which feature to prioritize?

Hey,

in the hypothetical scenario that you were developing a simple, but efficient and elegant audio editor app for iPad / iPhone, and you had time for just one more feature to add before public beta, which one would you prioritize?

Which feature would you prioritize?
  1. Which feature would you prioritize?38 votes
    1. Audio recording (as new file, or mixing/inserting/replacing in current file)
      68.42%
    2. Volume handle for fine gain adjustment (instead of in fixed +/- 1 dB increments via buttons)
      15.79%
    3. Collection of filters (EQ, lowpass, highpass, etc.) with live preview
      15.79%
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Comments

  • Editor and possibly recorder then.
    May I ask: App or plugin?

  • If not already there, Undo is the most important feature 😊

  • @DougButNotThatOne said:
    If not already there, Undo is the most important feature 😊

    Haha, yes, of course it has Undo!

  • @crushed said:
    Editor and possibly recorder then.
    May I ask: App or plugin?

    App of course. You know I'd rather be burned alive than make a plugin 😂

  • edited February 1

    audio quantize :)

  • edited February 1

    For recording select which input on an eventually connected interface to use.
    For built-in mics a microphone selection could come in handy.

    Allow selection of sample-rate and bit-depth.
    (Lower than hardware sample-rate could be used for on-the-fly decimation for old-school sampling).

    Optional snap to x-crossing when making a selection.
    Selection Fade In/out, Crop/Trim, Cut, Copy & Paste
    Convert from stereo to mono with option to choose to keep left, right & mix.
    Normalize to a set target level (-23LUFS for speech, 0dbFS with optional TP etc.).

    For manual 'slicing', set BPM for the recording.
    Alternate ruler formats (Samples, Time, Beats/Bars) with optional snap to ruler divisions.
    Add 'markers' to the recorded (could be manually or via transient detection).
    Export 'slices' as individual files.

    For instrument sampling add loop-meta data to a recorded sample (loop-points, root-note etc.) sample with optional 'keyboard preview'

    Nice to haves would be a basic lo-cut filter and 'booster' filters to add more low-end, sparkle/air and saturation the recording.
    Easy to use dynamics processing (Gate/Downward Expander, Compressor/Limiter).

    Most of all avoid using microscopic UI elements like the plague! :sunglasses:

  • @Samu said:
    For recording select which input on an eventually connected interface to use.

    Maybe not in the first version, but if any reasonable sales figures pop up, soon in an update!

    For built-in mics a microphone selection could come in handy.

    That would be included in the above :)

    Allow selection of sample-rate and bit-depth.
    (Lower than hardware sample-rate could be used for on-the-fly decimation for old-school sampling).

    sample-rate: check!
    bit-depth: hopefully in an update!

    Optional snap to x-crossing when making a selection.

    check!

    Selection Fade In/out, Crop/Trim, Cut, Copy & Paste

    check!

    Convert from stereo to mono with option to choose to keep left, right & mix.

    mix: check. only left/right: will consider, or in an update!

    Normalize to a set target level (-23LUFS for speech, 0dbFS with optional TP etc.).

    Currently, only "normal normalize" (to -1..+1 peak).

    For manual 'slicing', set BPM for the recording.

    On the roadmap for an update.

    Alternate ruler formats (Samples, Time, Beats/Bars) with optional snap to ruler divisions.

    Would be included in the above!

    Add 'markers' to the recorded (could be manually or via transient detection).

    Would be nice for an update.

    Export 'slices' as individual files.

    Will consider Auto-slicing for an update.

    For instrument sampling add loop-meta data to a recorded sample (loop-points, root-note etc.) sample with optional 'keyboard preview'

    Will consider!

    Nice to haves would be a basic lo-cut filter and 'booster' filters to add more low-end, sparkle/air and saturation the recording.

    I just decided to do the basic selection of filters anyway regardless of the democratic election here 😄 waveshaper is considered for an update!

    Easy to use dynamics processing (Gate/Downward Expander, Compressor/Limiter).

    Considered for an update!

    Most of all avoid using microscopic UI elements like the plague! :sunglasses:

    Will post a sneak preview at UI shortly. But you know Seven Systems is WORLD-FAMOUS and GAME-CHANGERY (tm) for good UI/UX! 😜 in any case, the app will respect the system's "Text Size" settings.

    Thanks for the feedback.

  • edited February 1

    Thanks for all the votes so far, everyone. I've decided to throw in a basic selection of filters anyway for good measure after lunch.

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Thanks for all the votes so far, everyone. I've decided to throw in a basic selection of filters anyway for good measure after lunch.

    Looks great with a nice uncluttered UI.

    Can it be loaded into an FX slot as an AU to record directly in from other AUv3s?

  • wimwim
    edited February 1

    Will it record only to memory, or will it use disk streaming to help handle large files?

  • wimwim
    edited February 1

    Just as a data point. Not to be critical or discouraging or anything, but as what I hope may be helpful market data...

    I don't have any use for this if it doesn't include an AUv3 FX version with recording capability. I have other editors that, while not ideal in many ways, do the job. The one that has an AUv3 FX plugin isn't a favorite but I use it anyway.

    The other critical feature is BPM awareness and ability to edit in measures/beats/fractions. My other favorite editor from a usability standpoint doesn't have this and never will, it seems, so simply doesn't get used.

    (I voted for audio recording btw.)

  • @HotStrange said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Thanks for all the votes so far, everyone. I've decided to throw in a basic selection of filters anyway for good measure after lunch.

    Looks great with a nice uncluttered UI.

    Thanks, that's the goal.

    Can it be loaded into an FX slot as an AU to record directly in from other AUv3s?

    Not in the first release, but I see no showstoppers to implement this down the line. However right now, it's more targeted at just random everyday audio editing tasks.

  • @wim said:
    Will it record only to memory, or will it use disk streaming to help handle large files?

    Memory only, so maximum audio length is around 10 - 20 minutes.

  • @wim said:
    Just as a data point. Not to be critical or discouraging or anything, but as what I hope may be helpful market data...

    Totally fine!

    I don't have any use for this if it doesn't include an AUv3 FX version with recording capability. I have other editors that, while not ideal in many ways, do the job. The one that has an AUv3 FX plugin isn't a favorite but I use it anyway.

    See above, it's a good point and there is nothing serious in the way of this, but it won't be in the first release.

    The other critical feature is BPM awareness and ability to edit in measures/beats/fractions. My other favorite editor from a usability standpoint doesn't have this and never will, it seems, so simply doesn't get used.

    I have this on the roadmap for short-term, but I'm not sure if it'll make it in the first release. I (like Xequence) mostly made this for myself because I didn't think I would survive another day on Linux with Audacity, and I frequently want to edit according to beats/bars too!

    (I voted for audio recording btw.)

    OK, audio recording and filters will almost definitely both make it into the first release and public beta :)

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Thanks for all the votes so far, everyone. I've decided to throw in a basic selection of filters anyway for good measure after lunch.

    Looks great with a nice uncluttered UI.

    Thanks, that's the goal.

    Can it be loaded into an FX slot as an AU to record directly in from other AUv3s?

    Not in the first release, but I see no showstoppers to implement this down the line. However right now, it's more targeted at just random everyday audio editing tasks.

    Gotcha, thanks! Will almost certainly be grabbing this.

  • @wim said:

    The other critical feature is BPM awareness and ability to edit in measures/beats/fractions. My other favorite editor from a usability standpoint doesn't have this and never will, it seems, so simply doesn't get used.

    This. I REALLY need a SIMPLE audio editor that can think in terms of loops and snap to bars. Seems like a no-brainer and long overdue IMO.

  • @Shabudua said:

    @wim said:

    The other critical feature is BPM awareness and ability to edit in measures/beats/fractions. My other favorite editor from a usability standpoint doesn't have this and never will, it seems, so simply doesn't get used.

    This. I REALLY need a SIMPLE audio editor that can think in terms of loops and snap to bars. Seems like a no-brainer and long overdue IMO.

    Echoing this as well 💯

  • It's so ironic that most of the current 'DAWs' fail at doing somewhat basic audio-editing that 3rd party apps are needed :sunglasses:

  • edited February 2

    @Samu said:
    It's so ironic that most of the current 'DAWs' fail at doing somewhat basic audio-editing that 3rd party apps are needed :sunglasses:

    +1. The main reason I need a simple loop editor is because Loopy Pro, of all apps, Isn’t up to the task 😆

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Hey,

    in the hypothetical scenario that you were developing a simple, but efficient and elegant audio editor app for iPad / iPhone, and you had time for just one more feature to add before public beta, which one would you prioritize?

    Translation...

    I totally don't not have a new app, but I need to poll the ABF community to help me where I'm stuck without letting on. Hmm, how to go about this? 🤔 😳 😗🎶

    😂

  • @Shabudua said:

    @Samu said:
    It's so ironic that most of the current 'DAWs' fail at doing somewhat basic audio-editing that 3rd party apps are needed :sunglasses:

    +1. The main reason I need a simple loop editor is because Loopy Pro, of all apps, Isn’t up to the task 😆

    What problems do you have with this in Loopy Pro?

  • Man it was a good idea to start this thread ✅

    Thanks again for all the feedback. BPM / time signature awareness is definitely going to be in the first release then. I mean I'm sure I can snitch some code from Xequence 😃

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Hey,

    in the hypothetical scenario that you were developing a simple, but efficient and elegant audio editor app for iPad / iPhone, and you had time for just one more feature to add before public beta, which one would you prioritize?

    Translation...

    I totally don't not have a new app, but I need to poll the ABF community to help me where I'm stuck without letting on. Hmm, how to go about this? 🤔 😳 😗🎶

    😂

    You and your strange ideas 🙄😄

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Man it was a good idea to start this thread ✅

    Thanks again for all the feedback. BPM / time signature awareness is definitely going to be in the first release then. I mean I'm sure I can snitch some code from Xequence 😃

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Hey,

    in the hypothetical scenario that you were developing a simple, but efficient and elegant audio editor app for iPad / iPhone, and you had time for just one more feature to add before public beta, which one would you prioritize?

    Translation...

    I totally don't not have a new app, but I need to poll the ABF community to help me where I'm stuck without letting on. Hmm, how to go about this? 🤔 😳 😗🎶

    😂

    You and your strange ideas 🙄😄

    😂🤣

  • Cheering you on @SevenSystems !

  • edited February 2

  • Cool! With 'bars' as the selection mode the selection could maybe 'smart snap' to any thing from 1/64 to 1 bar? :)

  • edited February 2

    @Samu said:

    Cool! With 'bars' as the selection mode the selection could maybe 'smart snap' to any thing from 1/64 to 1 bar? :)

    I had planned to snap with 'beat' granularity... maybe enough for now? I want to avoid too many options for now...

    EDIT: Although yeah, this could simply be decided automatically based on zoom level...

  • @SevenSystems said:

    EDIT: Although yeah, this could simply be decided automatically based on zoom level...

    The 'arrows' and left & right of the selection brackets could move somewhere between 1/16 and 1/64 when tapped in 'bars' mode, In 'time' mode they could simply move to the next/previous zero-crossing or next/previous transient or something similar?

    Even fully zoomed out the selection handles could snap to finer beat divisions than full bars. 1/16th is often more than enough.

    This is something that can be 'fine tuned' once the beta is out, good selection tools that adapt to many different scenarios can be tricky to get right on the first try :)

  • @Samu said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    EDIT: Although yeah, this could simply be decided automatically based on zoom level...

    The 'arrows' and left & right of the selection brackets could move somewhere between 1/16 and 1/64 when tapped in 'bars' mode, In 'time' mode they could simply move to the next/previous zero-crossing or next/previous transient or something similar?

    The 'arrows' (I call the feature "nudge") currently move to the next zero-crossing, yes... or by the equivalent of 1 pixel if snapping to zero crossings is disabled.

    Moving by musical increments when in 'bars' mode is a great idea, I hadn't thought that through yet. I'll put this on the list, but it might not make it into the first release. Thanks a lot for the suggestion!

    Even fully zoomed out the selection handles could snap to finer beat divisions than full bars. 1/16th is often more than enough.

    This is something that can be 'fine tuned' once the beta is out, good selection tools that adapt to many different scenarios can be tricky to get right on the first try :)

    Definitely looking forward to feedback on the beta! There's already a good bit of nice snapping going on though:

    • Playhead to either selection end
    • Selection ends to playhead
    • Everything to zero-crossings
  • BTW, the app is focused on efficient and quick editing, that's why there's full mouse support, and, importantly, extensive keyboard shortcuts!

    Let me know if anything in the shortcuts is extremely crazy, but I think these map pretty well to mental concepts and should be easy to remember. At least they're not as crazy as Audacity's (CTRL-E: Zoom to Selection) ;)

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