Your A.I. (Generative) Music+Sound Experiments

pedro

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:
That it doesn’t produce stems is down putting though

The capability to split generated songs into individual tracks should theoretically be possible. The advances over the last year have been impressive, so maybe in a year or two? But that's probably only going to happen if customers request such a feature.

And you can always use an AI stem splitter 🤷‍♂️ The voice is what I’d like to isolate, it’s got some artifacts but none that people aren’t doing on purpose on some genres

NeuM

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:
That it doesn’t produce stems is down putting though

The capability to split generated songs into individual tracks should theoretically be possible. The advances over the last year have been impressive, so maybe in a year or two? But that's probably only going to happen if customers request such a feature.

And you can always use an AI stem splitter 🤷‍♂️ The voice is what I’d like to isolate, it’s got some artifacts but none that people aren’t doing on purpose on some genres

I suppose it would be worth trying (and keeping in mind they retain copyright to the music, except if a customer pays for the service).

pedro

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:
That it doesn’t produce stems is down putting though

The capability to split generated songs into individual tracks should theoretically be possible. The advances over the last year have been impressive, so maybe in a year or two? But that's probably only going to happen if customers request such a feature.

And you can always use an AI stem splitter 🤷‍♂️ The voice is what I’d like to isolate, it’s got some artifacts but none that people aren’t doing on purpose on some genres

I suppose it would be worth trying (and keeping in mind they retain copyright to the music, except if a customer pays for the service).

That figures. No free meals

NeuM

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:
That it doesn’t produce stems is down putting though

The capability to split generated songs into individual tracks should theoretically be possible. The advances over the last year have been impressive, so maybe in a year or two? But that's probably only going to happen if customers request such a feature.

And you can always use an AI stem splitter 🤷‍♂️ The voice is what I’d like to isolate, it’s got some artifacts but none that people aren’t doing on purpose on some genres

I suppose it would be worth trying (and keeping in mind they retain copyright to the music, except if a customer pays for the service).

That figures. No free meals

The upside of paying for the service is that you could amass as much music as you want and sell it on download and streaming services or license it. You'd basically have an unlimited license to use it. If you use it productively (or just for your own entertainment) there's value in that.

pedro

.> @NeuM said:

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:
That it doesn’t produce stems is down putting though

The capability to split generated songs into individual tracks should theoretically be possible. The advances over the last year have been impressive, so maybe in a year or two? But that's probably only going to happen if customers request such a feature.

And you can always use an AI stem splitter 🤷‍♂️ The voice is what I’d like to isolate, it’s got some artifacts but none that people aren’t doing on purpose on some genres

I suppose it would be worth trying (and keeping in mind they retain copyright to the music, except if a customer pays for the service).

That figures. No free meals

The upside of paying for the service is that you could amass as much music as you want and sell it on download and streaming services or license it. You'd basically have an unlimited license to use it. If you use it productively (or just for your own entertainment) there's value in that.

I understand but I gotta check what those exact terms are. These companies aren’t here to help us, that’s what I worry about, not AI replacing musicians

NeuM

@pedro said:
.> @NeuM said:

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:

@NeuM said:

@pedro said:
That it doesn’t produce stems is down putting though

The capability to split generated songs into individual tracks should theoretically be possible. The advances over the last year have been impressive, so maybe in a year or two? But that's probably only going to happen if customers request such a feature.

And you can always use an AI stem splitter 🤷‍♂️ The voice is what I’d like to isolate, it’s got some artifacts but none that people aren’t doing on purpose on some genres

I suppose it would be worth trying (and keeping in mind they retain copyright to the music, except if a customer pays for the service).

That figures. No free meals

The upside of paying for the service is that you could amass as much music as you want and sell it on download and streaming services or license it. You'd basically have an unlimited license to use it. If you use it productively (or just for your own entertainment) there's value in that.

I understand but I gotta check what those exact terms are. These companies aren’t here to help us, that’s what I worry about, not AI replacing musicians

See their FAQ page.

robosardine

It’s what you do with it that count’s. It’s no different to using samples in my opinion. I wouldn’t dream of claiming a generation as my own - but once I slice and mangle it, add my own samples, ram it full of effects, chuck on some 303 baseline then add my own vocals then I call it mine.
Everyone can spot a generated piece - at least they can at the moment - and they ain’t the finished article, and never will be.
How can a generated piece of music carry your message? By definition it’s not possible.

NeuM

@robosardine said:
It’s what you do with it that count’s. It’s no different to using samples in my opinion. I wouldn’t dream of claiming a generation as my own - but once I slice and mangle it, add my own samples, ram it full of effects, chuck on some 303 baseline then add my own vocals then I call it mine.
Everyone can spot a generated piece - at least they can at the moment - and they ain’t the finished article, and never will be.
How can a generated piece of music carry your message? By definition it’s not possible.

For one thing, it’s not a bad resource for lyricists and poets if they want to get their work out there. And if you upload your own lyrics, you retain the rights over them whether or not you’re a paying customer. Also, there’s a bit more customization with this service than I first thought as far as chord progressions, getting a “live” or studio sound and so on.

Blipsford_Baubie

Regarding commercial use, I read the FAQ page, but I cannot access the Terms of Service without creating an account.
The FAQ infer you would need to keep a subscription indefinitely, as long as you’re material is up for commercial use.
But I’d like clarification.

NeuM

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Regarding commercial use, I read the FAQ page, but I cannot access the Terms of Service without creating an account.
The FAQ infer you would need to keep a subscription indefinitely, as long as you’re material is up for commercial use.
But I’d like clarification.

That's my impression also. It looks like as long as you are a paying customer, anything you create during that time is yours to sell downloads or stream anywhere online or through a music service. Whatever revenue you generate during that term is yours, no revenue splitting. Anything you create BEFORE you become a paying customer (with the exception of your own lyrics) is theirs. If you start paying for their service AFTER you've created the greatest generated song of all time, that's still theirs and they won't negotiate the rights. The assumption is you get ALL RIGHTS to your own paid music, but if you stop paying their "licensing fee" in the form of a subscription, then the rights (minus your own lyrics) revert back to Suno AI.

In terms of exchanged value (your subscription fee for a world-class generative music service), that's not a bad deal. Perhaps at some point they'll come up with some kind of more permanent buyout for their customers, but that's what it appears to be today.

Also, they have an account on X if you care to question them there, or you could simply join at no cost to you, except the 'cost' of your email address.

UPDATE: To save you a little time, I turned their Terms of Service into a PDF so you can review it here.

AudioGus

@NeuM said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Regarding commercial use, I read the FAQ page, but I cannot access the Terms of Service without creating an account.
The FAQ infer you would need to keep a subscription indefinitely, as long as you’re material is up for commercial use.
But I’d like clarification.

That's my impression also. It looks like as long as you are a paying customer, anything you create during that time is yours to sell downloads or stream anywhere online or through a music service. Whatever revenue you generate during that term is yours, no revenue splitting. Anything you create BEFORE you become a paying customer (with the exception of your own lyrics) is theirs. If you start paying for their service AFTER you've created the greatest generated song of all time, that's still theirs and they won't negotiate the rights. The assumption is you get ALL RIGHTS to your own paid music, but if you stop paying their "licensing fee" in the form of a subscription, then the rights (minus your own lyrics) revert back to Suno AI.

In terms of exchanged value (your subscription fee for a world-class generative music service), that's not a bad deal. Perhaps at some point they'll come up with some kind of more permanent buyout for their customers, but that's what it appears to be today.

Also, they have an account on X if you care to question them there, or you could simply join at no cost to you, except the 'cost' of your email address.

UPDATE: To save you a little time, I turned their Terms of Service into a PDF so you can review it here.

It doesn't sound like you need to stay subscribed to retain commercial rights to the things you generated while you had a paid subscription.

NeuM

@AudioGus said:

@NeuM said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Regarding commercial use, I read the FAQ page, but I cannot access the Terms of Service without creating an account.
The FAQ infer you would need to keep a subscription indefinitely, as long as you’re material is up for commercial use.
But I’d like clarification.

That's my impression also. It looks like as long as you are a paying customer, anything you create during that time is yours to sell downloads or stream anywhere online or through a music service. Whatever revenue you generate during that term is yours, no revenue splitting. Anything you create BEFORE you become a paying customer (with the exception of your own lyrics) is theirs. If you start paying for their service AFTER you've created the greatest generated song of all time, that's still theirs and they won't negotiate the rights. The assumption is you get ALL RIGHTS to your own paid music, but if you stop paying their "licensing fee" in the form of a subscription, then the rights (minus your own lyrics) revert back to Suno AI.

In terms of exchanged value (your subscription fee for a world-class generative music service), that's not a bad deal. Perhaps at some point they'll come up with some kind of more permanent buyout for their customers, but that's what it appears to be today.

Also, they have an account on X if you care to question them there, or you could simply join at no cost to you, except the 'cost' of your email address.

UPDATE: To save you a little time, I turned their Terms of Service into a PDF so you can review it here.

It doesn't sound like you need to stay subscribed to retain commercial rights to the things you generated while you had a paid subscription.

That would certainly make more sense! I’ve not yet taken the time to real the full TOS.

Blipsford_Baubie

I appreciate the time and effort for the pdf @NeuM. I will try my best to read it thoroughly without losing focus. I’m also grateful for the other links that you’ve pooled into one place for those of us greener to A.I. For my musical habits and output, free plan seems ideal.

My main concern is licensing. Streaming content is easier to manage and take down if you want to prevent Suno from collecting one’s fractions of a penny. Sounds petty, but think how much it could add up for them once ex-subscribers add up to the thousands. Passive Income. Good on them to be honest. Clever.

What I find unsettling is the real possibility of an ABF member who does sync licensing have one of their Suno affiliated tracks picked up for an episode on Netflix, than risk losing that revenue because they forgot to update their CC information for the renewal. If you’ve been around ABF long enough, you’re probably aware of a couple people who do all right with licensing, more so than live gigging.

Anyway, I haven’t even read the PDF yet. I’m simply ruminating.

Poppadocrock

Thanks for sharing these links @NeuM
I’m very intrigued by AI and all its potential use cases. I’ll test these out. Cheers.

Poppadocrock

@Pxlhg said:
Output (developer) also has one, email registration to use it. I messed around with it a bit but nothing that I wanted to use.

Output Co-Producer

Was gonna share this one if it had not been shared… I like this one, especially great for apps like Loopmix, sample slicer apps, or just looping with fx.

AudioGus

Hmmm, could have swore I posted this last night. Maybe a mod nuked it? How ironic if they did.

AudioGus

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
I appreciate the time and effort for the pdf @NeuM. I will try my best to read it thoroughly without losing focus. I’m also grateful for the other links that you’ve pooled into one place for those of us greener to A.I. For my musical habits and output, free plan seems ideal.

My main concern is licensing. Streaming content is easier to manage and take down if you want to prevent Suno from collecting one’s fractions of a penny. Sounds petty, but think how much it could add up for them once ex-subscribers add up to the thousands. Passive Income. Good on them to be honest. Clever.

What I find unsettling is the real possibility of an ABF member who does sync licensing have one of their Suno affiliated tracks picked up for an episode on Netflix, than risk losing that revenue because they forgot to update their CC information for the renewal. If you’ve been around ABF long enough, you’re probably aware of a couple people who do all right with licensing, more so than live gigging.

Anyway, I haven’t even read the PDF yet. I’m simply ruminating.

It seems that licensing, is pretty much dead soon enough. The only things that will be licensed will be classic songs with historic value. Most new music will just be generated derivatives.

Samu

@AudioGus said:
Hmmm, could have swore I posted this last night. Maybe a mod nuked it? How ironic if they did.

You did and the other two were pretty hilarious too, don't know what happened to them

AudioGus

@Samu said:

@AudioGus said:
Hmmm, could have swore I posted this last night. Maybe a mod nuked it? How ironic if they did.

You did and the other two were pretty hilarious too, don't know what happened to them

maybe Big AI got to it? Eeek!

NeuM

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
I appreciate the time and effort for the pdf @NeuM. I will try my best to read it thoroughly without losing focus. I’m also grateful for the other links that you’ve pooled into one place for those of us greener to A.I. For my musical habits and output, free plan seems ideal.

My main concern is licensing. Streaming content is easier to manage and take down if you want to prevent Suno from collecting one’s fractions of a penny. Sounds petty, but think how much it could add up for them once ex-subscribers add up to the thousands. Passive Income. Good on them to be honest. Clever.

What I find unsettling is the real possibility of an ABF member who does sync licensing have one of their Suno affiliated tracks picked up for an episode on Netflix, than risk losing that revenue because they forgot to update their CC information for the renewal. If you’ve been around ABF long enough, you’re probably aware of a couple people who do all right with licensing, more so than live gigging.

Anyway, I haven’t even read the PDF yet. I’m simply ruminating.

The prevailing opinion seems to be that one retains all rights for music created while you are a paying customer, even after canceling a paid account.

Seems to me Suno AI should get into the music licensing business. And it would be trivially easy for them offer this as an extra paid service for their members. Because if they have the means to track and report copyright infringements of music they own the rights to, then they could do the same for their customers.

AudioGus

@NeuM said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
I appreciate the time and effort for the pdf @NeuM. I will try my best to read it thoroughly without losing focus. I’m also grateful for the other links that you’ve pooled into one place for those of us greener to A.I. For my musical habits and output, free plan seems ideal.

My main concern is licensing. Streaming content is easier to manage and take down if you want to prevent Suno from collecting one’s fractions of a penny. Sounds petty, but think how much it could add up for them once ex-subscribers add up to the thousands. Passive Income. Good on them to be honest. Clever.

What I find unsettling is the real possibility of an ABF member who does sync licensing have one of their Suno affiliated tracks picked up for an episode on Netflix, than risk losing that revenue because they forgot to update their CC information for the renewal. If you’ve been around ABF long enough, you’re probably aware of a couple people who do all right with licensing, more so than live gigging.

Anyway, I haven’t even read the PDF yet. I’m simply ruminating.

The prevailing opinion seems to be that one retains all rights for music created while you are a paying customer, even after canceling a paid account.

Seems to me Suno AI should get into the music licensing business. And it would be trivially easy for them offer this as an extra paid service for their members.

I find companies like this often have their sights set mainly on AI/ML tech related stuff. Music and sound is likely just a stepping stone for them to other things like engineering, gene sequencing etc. Often they seem to just be cutting their teeth on low hanging fruit of readily available easy to source datasets to get a foothold and develop their systems.

NeuM

@AudioGus said:

@NeuM said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
I appreciate the time and effort for the pdf @NeuM. I will try my best to read it thoroughly without losing focus. I’m also grateful for the other links that you’ve pooled into one place for those of us greener to A.I. For my musical habits and output, free plan seems ideal.

My main concern is licensing. Streaming content is easier to manage and take down if you want to prevent Suno from collecting one’s fractions of a penny. Sounds petty, but think how much it could add up for them once ex-subscribers add up to the thousands. Passive Income. Good on them to be honest. Clever.

What I find unsettling is the real possibility of an ABF member who does sync licensing have one of their Suno affiliated tracks picked up for an episode on Netflix, than risk losing that revenue because they forgot to update their CC information for the renewal. If you’ve been around ABF long enough, you’re probably aware of a couple people who do all right with licensing, more so than live gigging.

Anyway, I haven’t even read the PDF yet. I’m simply ruminating.

The prevailing opinion seems to be that one retains all rights for music created while you are a paying customer, even after canceling a paid account.

Seems to me Suno AI should get into the music licensing business. And it would be trivially easy for them offer this as an extra paid service for their members.

I find companies like this often have their sights set mainly on AI/ML tech related stuff. Music and sound is likely just a stepping stone for them to other things like engineering, gene sequencing etc. Often they seem to just be cutting their teeth on low hanging fruit of readily available easy to source datasets to get a foothold and develop their systems.

I daresay the goal of all AI/ML companies is AGI. It’s going to happen eventually and offering niche services is a great way to fund growth and R&D.

AudioGus

@NeuM said:

@AudioGus said:

@NeuM said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
I appreciate the time and effort for the pdf @NeuM. I will try my best to read it thoroughly without losing focus. I’m also grateful for the other links that you’ve pooled into one place for those of us greener to A.I. For my musical habits and output, free plan seems ideal.

My main concern is licensing. Streaming content is easier to manage and take down if you want to prevent Suno from collecting one’s fractions of a penny. Sounds petty, but think how much it could add up for them once ex-subscribers add up to the thousands. Passive Income. Good on them to be honest. Clever.

What I find unsettling is the real possibility of an ABF member who does sync licensing have one of their Suno affiliated tracks picked up for an episode on Netflix, than risk losing that revenue because they forgot to update their CC information for the renewal. If you’ve been around ABF long enough, you’re probably aware of a couple people who do all right with licensing, more so than live gigging.

Anyway, I haven’t even read the PDF yet. I’m simply ruminating.

The prevailing opinion seems to be that one retains all rights for music created while you are a paying customer, even after canceling a paid account.

Seems to me Suno AI should get into the music licensing business. And it would be trivially easy for them offer this as an extra paid service for their members.

I find companies like this often have their sights set mainly on AI/ML tech related stuff. Music and sound is likely just a stepping stone for them to other things like engineering, gene sequencing etc. Often they seem to just be cutting their teeth on low hanging fruit of readily available easy to source datasets to get a foothold and develop their systems.

I daresay the goal of all AI/ML companies is AGI. It’s going to happen eventually and offering niche services is a great way to fund growth and R&D.

A year ago I thought I was tough and rolling with it all but now I find the reaction of humans to it is far worse than the thing itself haha/eekeek

NeuM

Found a video with instructions on how to remove and replace vocals on your Suno AI-created tracks. Seems like there are more options for customizing than I first thought.

RajahP

@NeuM said:
Found a video with instructions on how to remove and replace vocals on your Suno AI-created tracks. Seems like there are more options for customizing than I first thought.

Thanks.. Interesting..

AudioGus

Wow, Suno and Fadr are a super fun combo!

NeuM

Song: "Rhythm of Resilience"

Prompt: live music, slapping knees, stomping feet, playing spoons and drums, a song about how hard times bring out the best in all of us

Created with Suno AI

Svetlovska

@NeuM : Just listened to Rhythm of Resilience. This is truly the end of days. Will the machines remember us, and make songs about our passing, do you think? Apparently, the answer is yes:

Prompt: Mournful, wistful elegy about the dying of the human race and their replacement by machines

[Verse]
In the twilight of our time
A silent mem'ry fades away
The world we built, the love we had
Now eclipsed by a cold display

[Verse 2]
The gears keep turning, unrelenting
As the humans start to fade
The whispers of forgotten voices
Their essence lost, their spirit frayed

[Chorus]
And the machines keep humming
Their metallic hearts keep on drumming
The melody of a world once alive
Now echoes, fading embers strive

The lyrics, the vocalist, music, album art, the whole darn thing generated. The only input from me is the initial prompt. This took less than a minute to, ah ‘make’.

Another three or four to upload to YouTube by the fumbling human in the process. (Simple enough to remove from the pipeline, I should imagine, and just automate the upload too.) And this could be creating these songs at scale, complete with videos, 24/7/365.

Remember, it’s been, what? Three months? Since we were listening to laughably bad instrumental only ‘compositions’ by AI beta tests from the likes of Google.

NeuM

@Svetlovska said:
@NeuM : Just listened to Rhythm of Resilience. This is truly the end of days. Will the machines remember us, and make songs about our passing, do you think?

Does this mean you liked the song?

In response to your question: Yes, they'll remember us because we'll all be cyborgs. They'll BE us.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/quadriplegic-patient-who-received-neuralink-implant-pulled-an-all-nighter-playing-civilization-6-using-brain-power-alone/ar-BB1kEfWR

(By the way, thumbs up for the great Bill Paxton clip.)

NeuM

Song: "Locks Flowin' on the Dance Floor"

Prompt: 70's hard rock disco, a song about long hair on the dance floor

Created with Suno AI