Is Cubasis better than Logic, and why?

jwmmakerofmusic

@Fear2Stop said:
How is Cubasis for someone who is a heavy GarageBand user (albeit with auv3 apps; don’t use the built in synths )? Logic Pro not an option as I’m iPhone only

Cubasis is far more fully featured than Garageband by a few hundred miles, that's for sure. It's definitely worth the asking price. And then over time you can add on the various IAPs.

wim

@Fear2Stop said:
How is Cubasis for someone who is a heavy GarageBand user (albeit with auv3 apps; don’t use the built in synths )? Logic Pro not an option as I’m iPhone only

To me it’s the next logical step if you need more advanced DAW features. But you may miss things like the drummers and smart instruments. [edit] Nvm, you said you only use AUv3s.

Zenbeats would also be worth a look too though, IMO.

mysterycat

Plugin delay compensation.

Cubasis doesn't have it. Heavily process your drums, and listen to them come in slightly late, as they move out of phase...

Logic does have it. Tracks maintain their phase relationship.

filo01

@ecou said:

@filo01 said:
Slightly OT: Can anyone compare these two DAWs with Reaper? Which is closer to it in terms of workflow, routing and "basic" features like automation or crossfade?

The most like Reaper would be Auria Pro. But I must give you a big warning on this one. It had a pretty rough buggy period 2-3 years ago. Some people now use it without problem other not so much.The midi aspect is not finished. But it is super powerful on the audio side. Aux, sub and every possible audio config you can think off. Tempo track, audio editing, beat detection, drumagog drum replacement and audio stretching. It’s most commun use case it for mixing and mastering.

Thank you, @ecou!

TheGarageBandGuide

I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

HolyMoses

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
One thing to consider is what each runs on. Logic is better in many ways to Cubasis, but it can only run on more recent iPads like my Mini 6. AI stem splitting doesn't work on my Mini 6.

Cubasis however runs on older devices and on my iPhone and on Android (although there are no external AUv3 or VST plugins on Android). It also has the Halion sounds now, and Waves plugins in case those interest you any.

I'm hoping Lars and the team at Cubasis will add time signatures and tempo tracks so I can really get into some more experimental music in Cubasis, or at least Prog.

Hav’nt you read what the developer of Sample Crate wrote here yesterday?
He have an iPad Mini 6 and he claimed that Stem Splitter in Logic Pro v2 is possible on the mini-6!

Perhaps a bug from Apple, but, maybe time to test this before v2 will get an update…

ecou

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

HolyMoses

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

Not even Nanostudio v2 is a DAW…

Fear2Stop

@wim said:

@Fear2Stop said:
How is Cubasis for someone who is a heavy GarageBand user (albeit with auv3 apps; don’t use the built in synths )? Logic Pro not an option as I’m iPhone only

To me it’s the next logical step if you need more advanced DAW features. But you may miss things like the drummers and smart instruments. [edit] Nvm, you said you only use AUv3s.

Zenbeats would also be worth a look too though, IMO.

I don’t use the auto drummer , but I do use the drum kits and play them in real time with minimal overdubs . I also use the bass guitar a lot paired with Tonebridge (I even have custom amps in Tonebridge). That’s the big holdup for me

TheGarageBandGuide

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

musikeer

@mysterycat said:
Plugin delay compensation.

Cubasis doesn't have it. Heavily process your drums, and listen to them come in slightly late, as they move out of phase...

Logic does have it. Tracks maintain their phase relationship.

This. Really would love to have that available in Cubasis, but a great app nonetheless...

ecou

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

Hey Patrick,

I did try the demo. I am a traditional DAW user, I could not find anything familiar to get myself situated.

I don’t do sampling or looping. I don’t know how anybody can call this a DAW.

kirmesteggno

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

Do you think Loopy would work for tracks with 30 or more individual elements that each blend in and out from a track over the duration of a song?

Is it possible to record the wet audio on a send into a donut/clip?

Is there a free or paid video or course of someone making a complete Techno or House track in Loopy from start to finish?

jwmmakerofmusic

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

I would argue that Loopy Pro isn't a DAW per se, but it is super powerful for creating music on the fly. Once MIDI clips are introduced, Loopy Pro will be very much the top live performance tool on iOS. (Yes, there's AUM, and yes, it is super flexible and had MIDI capabilities, but you can't create your own custom interface like in Loopy Pro.)

Is Loopy Pro a DAW? Not really. Is it worth every penny including IAPs? Well hell yeah it is!

As far as traditional DAW environments are concerned, Cubasis and Logic Pro are pretty well-featured. Cubasis lacks some features that Logic Pro has, but Cubasis can run on older devices and iPhones and Android as well. (That said, if Apple ever released a Mini Pro with at least 512gb storage, I can use all my romplers with their multi-gb IAP libraries in Logic Pro. )

ChrisG

Logic is hostage ware, ie subscription. Very simple choice to make.

jwmmakerofmusic

@ChrisG said:
Logic is hostage ware, ie subscription. Very simple choice to make.

😂 Logic has AI Mastering Assistant. $5/month compared to Waves' $5/track. Even if used exclusively as a mastering environment, Logic is worth the monthly sub.

But here's the thing - Logic is a whole-ass DAW, not just an AI Mastering Suite. $5/month since its release, and I still haven't spent half of the one time fee it costs on Mac. So 🤷‍♂️

AudioGus

Has the Logic UI improved? I recall feeling like I had to constantly resize and adjust things depending on what I wanted to do.

jwmmakerofmusic

@AudioGus said:
Has the Logic UI improved? I recall feeling like I had to constantly resize and adjust things depending on what I wanted to do.

Yeah that part is still a hassle, but one gets used to it after some practice. At least the "close project" arrow is a different colour than the back arrow now.

Edward_Alexander

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

Hey Patrick,

I did try the demo. I am a traditional DAW user, I could not find anything familiar to get myself situated.

I don’t do sampling or looping. I don’t know how anybody can call this a DAW.

@kirmesteggno said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

Do you think Loopy would work for tracks with 30 or more individual elements that each blend in and out from a track over the duration of a song?

Is it possible to record the wet audio on a send into a donut/clip?

Is there a free or paid video or course of someone making a complete Techno or House track in Loopy from start to finish?

I’m not Patrick, but just wanted to throw this screenshot of one of my Loopy Projects out there.

It’s not your traditional DAW, but it is definitely a Digital Audio Workstation, and the answer to all of these questions is YES.👍

jwmmakerofmusic

@Edward_Alexander said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

Hey Patrick,

I did try the demo. I am a traditional DAW user, I could not find anything familiar to get myself situated.

I don’t do sampling or looping. I don’t know how anybody can call this a DAW.

@kirmesteggno said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

Do you think Loopy would work for tracks with 30 or more individual elements that each blend in and out from a track over the duration of a song?

Is it possible to record the wet audio on a send into a donut/clip?

Is there a free or paid video or course of someone making a complete Techno or House track in Loopy from start to finish?

I’m not Patrick, but just wanted to throw this screenshot of one of my Loopy Projects out there.

It’s not your traditional DAW, but it is definitely a Digital Audio Workstation, and the answer to all of these questions is YES.👍

As the kids say, "I am today years old when I saw that part of the UI". 😂

Edward_Alexander

With that said, I do love Logic on the iPad, but at the same time, I’ve just spent more money in Cubasis buying IAPs like the amazing Helicon stuff.

Honestly at the end of the day though, I find myself right at home in Drambo… which is also a Digital Audio Workstation in a way.

ecou

@Edward_Alexander said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

Hey Patrick,

I did try the demo. I am a traditional DAW user, I could not find anything familiar to get myself situated.

I don’t do sampling or looping. I don’t know how anybody can call this a DAW.

@kirmesteggno said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

Do you think Loopy would work for tracks with 30 or more individual elements that each blend in and out from a track over the duration of a song?

Is it possible to record the wet audio on a send into a donut/clip?

Is there a free or paid video or course of someone making a complete Techno or House track in Loopy from start to finish?

I’m not Patrick, but just wanted to throw this screenshot of one of my Loopy Projects out there.

It’s not your traditional DAW, but it is definitely a Digital Audio Workstation, and the answer to all of these questions is YES.👍

Hey Edward,

I have seen that screen. To me it looks like a clip launcher screen. Can you record directly on this window without going to the donuts ?

Donuts are not good for my diabetes 😉

Telstar5

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

@TheGarageBandGuide Truth

Edward_Alexander

@ecou said:

@Edward_Alexander said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

Hey Patrick,

I did try the demo. I am a traditional DAW user, I could not find anything familiar to get myself situated.

I don’t do sampling or looping. I don’t know how anybody can call this a DAW.

@kirmesteggno said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

Do you think Loopy would work for tracks with 30 or more individual elements that each blend in and out from a track over the duration of a song?

Is it possible to record the wet audio on a send into a donut/clip?

Is there a free or paid video or course of someone making a complete Techno or House track in Loopy from start to finish?

I’m not Patrick, but just wanted to throw this screenshot of one of my Loopy Projects out there.

It’s not your traditional DAW, but it is definitely a Digital Audio Workstation, and the answer to all of these questions is YES.👍

Hey Edward,

I have seen that screen. To me it looks like a clip launcher screen. Can you record directly on this window without going to the donuts ?

Donuts are not good for my diabetes 😉

I’ve never tried to, but I do believe you can record on this screen.

But FWIW, even in the “Donut” screen, you’re not forced to have “Donuts”. You can change the shape of your loops/one shots both to a linear, horizontal bar, before or after recording anything.

mjm1138

@Fear2Stop said:
How is Cubasis for someone who is a heavy GarageBand user (albeit with auv3 apps; don’t use the built in synths )? Logic Pro not an option as I’m iPhone only

It will feel alien to a GarageBand user, and if you use Live Loops, there's nothing like that in Cubasis. But it is very powerful and good at what it does, so for a timeline-based AUv3 workflow it's absolutely great and worth the effort to learn the interface. As others have said, if you want something more Logic-like, take a look at Zenbeats.

AudioGus

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@AudioGus said:
Has the Logic UI improved? I recall feeling like I had to constantly resize and adjust things depending on what I wanted to do.

Yeah that part is still a hassle, but one gets used to it after some practice. At least the "close project" arrow is a different colour than the back arrow now.

Hmmm, my music PC is Win10 (CPU not compatible with Win11, WTF) and blue screening like hell now, likely because Microcock announced they are officially abandoning it in a few months and all the hardware devs aren't bothering to update drivers etc to work with the last few Win10 updates rolling out. Such a PIA, anyway revisiting my iOS options as I am getting grumpy without Maschine and can't justify a new PC any time soon. Maybe I need to give Loopy Pro a second look.

Simon

@Drrabbitfoot said:
I hear a lot more negative about Logic than I do about Cubasis. I figure the Logic bashing is more to its pricing model and the fact that it’s Apple, which I don’t have an issue with either, but with Cubasis being on sale, I wanted to see what you all thought.

Logic is rentware, so why don't you try it for a month and see if you like it. If you don't, then you are only $5 out of pocket and can go and buy Cubasis.

Mountain_Hamlet

@Simon said:

@Drrabbitfoot said:
I hear a lot more negative about Logic than I do about Cubasis. I figure the Logic bashing is more to its pricing model and the fact that it’s Apple, which I don’t have an issue with either, but with Cubasis being on sale, I wanted to see what you all thought.

Logic is rentware, so why don't you try it for a month and see if you like it. If you don't, then you are only $5 out of pocket and can go and buy Cubasis.

and the first month is free…🤷

jwmmakerofmusic

@AudioGus said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@AudioGus said:
Has the Logic UI improved? I recall feeling like I had to constantly resize and adjust things depending on what I wanted to do.

Yeah that part is still a hassle, but one gets used to it after some practice. At least the "close project" arrow is a different colour than the back arrow now.

Hmmm, my music PC is Win10 (CPU not compatible with Win11, WTF) and blue screening like hell now, likely because Microcock announced they are officially abandoning it in a few months and all the hardware devs aren't bothering to update drivers etc to work with the last few Win10 updates rolling out. Such a PIA, anyway revisiting my iOS options as I am getting grumpy without Maschine and can't justify a new PC any time soon. Maybe I need to give Loopy Pro a second look.

For sure. That makes two of us mate.

ecou

@Edward_Alexander said:

@ecou said:

@Edward_Alexander said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ecou said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
I think it’s great that iOS music production has reached the point where we can have a discussion like this and there isn’t a clear cut ‘correct’ answer.

FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

It a looper, how would that compare with a DAW ?

It is a DAW, looper and clip launcher in one. Have you ever used it?

Hey Patrick,

I did try the demo. I am a traditional DAW user, I could not find anything familiar to get myself situated.

I don’t do sampling or looping. I don’t know how anybody can call this a DAW.

@kirmesteggno said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:
FWIW while I’d probably advocate for Logic over Cubasis, I don’t think you can have a ‘best iOS DAW’ conversation without including Loopy Pro.

Do you think Loopy would work for tracks with 30 or more individual elements that each blend in and out from a track over the duration of a song?

Is it possible to record the wet audio on a send into a donut/clip?

Is there a free or paid video or course of someone making a complete Techno or House track in Loopy from start to finish?

I’m not Patrick, but just wanted to throw this screenshot of one of my Loopy Projects out there.

It’s not your traditional DAW, but it is definitely a Digital Audio Workstation, and the answer to all of these questions is YES.👍

Hey Edward,

I have seen that screen. To me it looks like a clip launcher screen. Can you record directly on this window without going to the donuts ?

Donuts are not good for my diabetes 😉

I’ve never tried to, but I do believe you can record on this screen.

But FWIW, even in the “Donut” screen, you’re not forced to have “Donuts”. You can change the shape of your loops/one shots both to a linear, horizontal bar, before or after recording anything.

Ok so I can record in that screen like a DAW. What makes it better than Cubasis ? I have this feeling what people think makes Loopy great I have no interest in doing. But I am willing to listen.