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@telecharge said:
I have a spare hand for that...
Actually, speaking of the criminal element, my guess is hackers are pushing iOS to a certain degree. How much so another person would know better than me, but keeping ahead of the latest jail break and floodgate of free apps probably factors into it, though you don't hear about that kind of thing publicly very often.
And for all those people "leaving" iOS and their iPads, you'll be back. I've set my iPad aside a few times to focus on desktop DAWs, and keep coming back myself, because it's a cool device and has a ton of unique and inexpensive music making apps.
I also think these hitches will eventually get worked out, both in the short term and in the long run. Apple has to understand the easier they make it for developers the better it will be for them. There's no way they don't know that, and they also have the resources to make it happen.
I suppose a question is what is a fraction of a fraction worth? We here who are interested enough in the iOS music world to take time to forum and others like us are probably a small fraction of the folks who enjoy GarageBand / Whatever. And of us even, despite annoyances, there are only a few (a fraction) who see their livelyhood threatened by instability etc. The commercial reality of the numbers...
I am amazed at how many here try to defend apple's position here. What worked well a month ago is now a nightmare. Quite frankly I don't care about apple's woes with samsung or android, i don't care that we are a niche group in the scheme of this, I bought their product and apps they vetted and provide on their app store and feel duped because they don't work.
If apple cared one iota about you or me there would be a warning on the app store 'now' that you purchase this app at your own peril as it may not function as expected with IoS8 but do you see such a thing?
I would hope that even the apple enthusiast here will understand that even if this miraculously gets sorted over time you will never be able to count on it for a viable stable means to make your music or promote it. You simply will never be able to have faith that tomorrow will have the same outcome as today.
I enjoyed it while it worked, too bad it has come to this.
I think Apple is being defended here because many of us realise how much more difficult making music (especially on the move) would be. For me currently there's no alternative so I have no choice but to stick with it.
Seeing the bigger picture as @SecretBaseDesign delineated so eloquently definitely helps. Cheers dude!
ALL WHILE EATING ICE CREAM ON A YACHT WITH JIMMY FALLON
Extremely funny, good morning SA!
I won't defend Apple since I don't think there's really anything to defend, which is not to say they couldn't do things far better. They are a commercial company offering products they design. We have the option of choosing less appealing and more poorly performing tablets, or doing music the conventional way with a desktop computer and a DAW and plugins. I think we all agree, though, if one wants decent music production on a tablet at this point in time, there's no alternative.
@xen posted an eloquent phrase early in this thread: " My workflow stress because I can't hook a synth/DAW combination up is clearly a first world problem for me." This whole topic is definitely worthwhile, to review the state of music production in iOS8, to better understand why some things that worked before are not now or at least aren't as stable, to understand the obstacles for app developers. But it's still a first world problem. We are lucky that our complaints are about the difficulty of getting Thor into Cubase, not about more fundamental life issues.
There's the argument that we've invested a lot of money and time in these things. Yes, that's true, but, still, it's a choice. Nobody is forcing us to buy an iPad or iPhone or update to iOS8 or any such thing. It's a personal choice.
One footnote: I still freak out at how amazing this forum is. The deep and frequent contact with developers here is unparalleled, at least as far as my online experience is concerned. Also, the overall friendliness and generousness of all the contributors here is far beyond the majority of online communities out there. So, so cool!
there does seem to have been a drop in performance on my iPad.
(128 air/7.12/latest ab sdk)
it does now glitch with 3 synths running at 256 buffer setting.
this time last year I could run 6 synths in ab, with cubasis at the 256 setting,with no issues...that was november 2013 and I haven't done any 'test' since then...so can't say when things changed or if things gradually got slower with ios/app updates.
buffering does allow me to add more synths
but wonder if that's something iaa could/should be doing?
or does it do that already and if so,is it conflicting with the ab buffer?
Apple doesn't deserve all the blame. I have to say that the people we have been in contact with at Apple do try to help.
There's been an active outreach from Apple towards us to inform us about upcoming changes and I've heard from more than one person working at Apple that a really bad scenario scenario would be to see 500 apps being broken with the release of iOS8. Nobody wanted that.
And while the way a small team like Mike and myself works is hardly compatible with how a multi-billion behemoth of a company work they still tried. Just as we did.
The change in the underlying technology was necessary because the old system probably was way too direct. It was basically a direct pipe from one app to another via the network. It was a matter of security and for Apple making sure that people don't get their phones broken into is much higher on their list of priorities than making sure a few musicians can make music.
And they're right. Making music is not as important as not getting your data stolen.
I still wish they could have fixed stuff earlier and done a little more QA, but I doubt there was much wiggle room with regards to how many people they had available for that.
Thanks for the insight, @Sebastian. Would you be kind enough to give us an estimation of where things stand as it relates to apps working properly with Audiobus? Is it a matter of developers correctly integrating the AB SDK into their app(s) or is there more work to be done by Apple and/or the AB team?
There's not really much more work to be done by us with regards to fixes to the Audiobus App and SDK. We're about to release another update to the SDK that should fix the broken connection panel on iPhone 6 and 6 Plus (which is caused by a bug in iOS 8) and then we're done with all the bugs we can reliably reproduce.
Developers will have to add that SDK to make sure their apps run well with Audiobus on the new iPhones and some developers are currently still working on correcting some issues that have been introduced with incorrect settings in the Audiobus database (that should answer the part of your question that refers to developers correctly implementing Audiobus).
All of this could take a few weeks or it could take months, it's really up to third party developers and their planned release schedule.
It looks like iOS 8.1 fixes a Bonjour bug that is the cause for apps not switching back to Audiobus/not being able to connect to Audiobus on iOS 8, so the release of 8.1 should be good news for everyone but that's obviously out of our control.
Btw I'm looking forward to the times when I don't have to tell all the scary stories at these fireside chats.
^^
so is everybody ready for the consumer show, 1h to go. hopefully without NI HAO syncro this time.
The info being shared on this thread is outstanding. A big thanks to all the iOS-savvy people who have contributed to clearing some of the fog surrounding the background to the current situation.
I'm interested in picking up on the impact that the shift to IAA as the method that audio gets routed between apps. That sounds like a pretty big paradigm change. Is it reasonable to speculate that any issues with updated apps running on iOS7.1.2 is related to this fundamental shift? Or are there multiple API changes contributing?
If AB has been recoded to connect via IAA do devs have additional work to do to stay compatible with iOS7.1.2 or should all that be taken of by the AB SDK?
it also occurred to me, during the Apple "event" today, that we haven't heard much about the extensions that are now available in iOS 8, in particular when it comes to music apps. Anyone know anything?
Thank you Patrick @SecreteBaseDesign and @Sebastian for your insights here. Much appreciated.
@Rhism said:
Might be late to the party here if you've already made changes, but I had this same problem with Jam Maestro and it took me 3-4 days bashing my head against Xcode before I found the solution. For me to fix this all I had to do was go into project settings, and then go down to supported orientations. For iPhone it was all set up fine, but for iPad I had portrait mode enabled so I just had to untick those boxes and everything started working as it should again. Symptoms were the same, if I started in landscape mode all was fine, but if I loaded the app starting in portrait orientation everything was in landscape orientation still but rotated off the screen.
Hope this helps any other devs with the same issue anyway!
@JamMaestro Nicely done; for finding and for sharing
so is everybody having bluetooth fun already?
im waiting for 8.1 to try it with the mac
I presume that also means bt sync between 2 ios devices? I'd love to be able to send a click to the drummer that way.
@JamMaestro Sadly my situation was different - the project settings only had landscape enabled. The 'fix' was to switch to portrait which meant unchecking the landscape options, and checking portrait instead. Really strange...
@Rhism Sounds like a royal pain in the ass!
Very interesting thread. I read all comments here and i thought i was alone with my pain in iOS. Seems there is a lot more broken then i thought. I hope all will settle down and iOS 9 will not make it even more worse. I stopped using iOS for producing music because of similar reasons. At this point i need more CPU and RAM but the main reason also was that it was so annoying rather then making fun to create music with it because there was/is always something broken which destroys the fun. These days i also think that all in one apps are going to be more important in iOS. I have lots of hope in NanoStudio 2. Things like Gadget and Caustic are great too. I just hope they include in the future also a more easy way to bring things to the desktop for further work on it without i-tunes, Nanosync. For me there is not anymore iOS music or mac music or......
there is only music and the listener gives a shit how you made it
@Cinebient.
I was researching iOS interfaces last night and came across this from Presonus
http://www.presonus.com/products/AudioBox-i-Series
It looks interesting and you export directly via wifi from the iPad to Studio One. Looks like a good way to integrate the iPad into a studio set up. Also, the interface connects to both iPad and PC/Mac with separate connectors. I haven't found confirmation that you have it all connected simultaneously, but it looks like you can. If so, you have Audio and MIDI for the pad with one interface and the potential for another load of Audio and MIDI into the PC/Mac through your existing interface all running at once.
For the price I'm tempted to give it a try. Especially as you get a lite version of Studio One included.
Looks nice.... but i just learned (a bit) of Logic Pro X and i think i will not change my main DAW now in the next few years. I really love the iPad remote for it and the MIDI FX etc. and i still think for the price it's out of competition at the moment. I limit myself to one DAW and 3 synths (+ some free stuff to try). I don't want to go the same way like i did in iOS. More DAW's, even more synths.... but not much creating music
I think it's normal when you first go into a huge airport and see this enormous food court to rush around gorging on everything there is on offer....after a while you settle down, recognize what gives you indigestion and what looks good but upsets your stomach, and then slowly narrow your choices to the options that work best for you.
Two things: A) I'm aware I could have taken this metaphor far further to involve toilets, botulism, vomiting, and the waitress who looks so hot but gives you disease. I chose not to do that, and
I'm still gorging, but am looking at you more sensible fellows with your clean and tidy lunch boxes over at the organic salad bar.
I'm heading that way, I really am.
I hate salad..... i need meet all the day
@Cinebient, looks like you and I have taken a similar path.
A couple of months ago, I was trying to produce a full band using the iPad Air. The amount of pain and frustration I went through made me realize this was simply the wrong tool for that sort of job. I took the hit, purchased a Mac and Logic Pro X and couldn't be happier with that DAW - it just works.
However, the iPad is still a HUGE part of my music making. Instead of feeling crippled by its weaknesses, I'm playing to its strengths. NOTHING will replace my ipad to capture an idea while at the airport or even lying on the couch. When producing, I'm still using Sunrizer, Nave & Thor, except now they are being controlled through a MIDI track on Logic. The Logic Remote & MIDI designer apps bring the magic of iPad touch to Logic Pro. If I need some weirdness, I still turn to Sliver and Earhoof... And last, but not least: nothing feels as real as a Thumbjam performed Cello part.
There will come a day when an iPad will be able to do everything a desktop DAW can. We're just not there yet and the frustration got to me.
@schrondinger well articulated. I think I've ended up in the same place -- let the tools play to their strengths rather than forcing them to perform beyond their current capabilities. (Emphasis on "current" -- I think you're right about the future).
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It's going to be so disappointing maxing out the 2gb of ram on the new iPad air 2
Yes...it's very simple at the end. Use what works for you. For me there is no way back now
I even think in 1-2 years i have to upgrade to more RAM and much more powerful CPU's. But i hope that OS X (or whatever full OS) let me control everything via touch if i want. For me also the instruments i have on my Mac can cover all i have in iOS and more.... only Mitosynth i really want to record into Logic since i have so many patches created there yet and it's the only thing which gives me something i can't achieve on my Mac (or not so easy and fast at least. Of course i also spend now a lot bucks for my new instruments and i must use them for a few years 
But i'm sure it will took a while until iOS can handle those. But i'm sure in the future we will see a lot more cross platform tools and that is important for me. I don't really care about the brand or the way i make music, i just want tools which fit in my workflow and let me do the things i want. Especially handling with big samples and lots of cinematic stuff there is a big hole in iOS.
When that 8GB (or more) RAM iPad pro comes..... yeah! Desktop or powerful Notebooks will always have a lot more power but i also think why trying to do all with one device when they work great together.