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Cheers dude, much appreciated! It’s really cool that you could listen to it and give feedback to it objectively, I appreciate it and posts like yours are why I feel so comfortable posting here.
It’s a wee bit more upbeat than my normal house/tech vibe. My next track might be something completely different.
Hopefully, it will be a collaboration with my friend Jules. I’m waiting on her sending a vocal to a song we’re doing. It’s more belle and Sebastian than the bells by Jeff mills. 🤣
Ooooh very nice!
At .48 with the second half of the fill on the left I think it could be louder.
When the fx come in from 1:42 it’s a succession of cool things. Love it.
shuffles of to find the EHX lizard queen, various octave, overdrive & fuzz pedals I’ve never got around to using and my old friend the ds-1!(i have a pedal problem.)
Gentle, meditative and contemplative. Up to your usual high standards.
Nice guitar work for sure. Accomplished and tight playing with enough variation to make you wonder what’s coming next.
That’s a really good song with strong melodies and it’s nicely structured. I like the instrumentation and the playing is very accomplished. The mix sounds great too, very professional.
My submission for the month is a collaboration with the great singer and composer @JanKun
It's a ambient/soundtrack(?) track with a beautiful and tragic story. I really enjoyed working on this collab and I really love the final result, hope you'll enjoy too!
Lyrics
Hanging on your window sill
I can see the city lights
The crowd below is standing still
Cheering me up in the night
I replayed the flight
A thousand times in my head
Ascending winds
Lift me up
In the air
To the jet stream
And then
Pass the corner
Pass the boulevard
Pass the river
Pass the ward
Pass the City
All its lights
Pass the country
And all its fights
Cross the border
Cross the mountains
Cross the ocean
Cross the seven seas
Cross infinity
Ignoring gravity
Ignoring gravity
Hanging on your window sill
I can see the city lights
The crowd below is standing still
For a mourning in the night
A bit busy right now but I'll take my time to listen to all your great submissions 😎
A really great collab, both the music and the vocals are excellent. I love the textures in the synth backing, they create a really interesting and genre-defying vibe for the whole track. The flow of the arrangement is really cool in the way that it evolves over time.
There is a spooky and melancholic feel to the track that comes through both in the music and the vocal, the whole thing just hangs together really beautifully.
Sunshine Anderson - Lunch Or Dinner for me
I like the song a lot. It really reminds me of something, another band, one that I've listened to and liked in the distant past. Probably late 80's. The mix is really very good and the sound of the vocal is one of your best especially in terms of tone and sitting in a pretty sweet spot for the mix.
Now for what I don't like. Just one thing. The vocal pitch accuracy. I know for some genres it's not such an issue but it's a bit of a mess in my opinion. It takes away my ability to enjoy the song. I just want to reach in there and fix it.
Thanks for listening and commenting, always appreciated.
BillS also said he found my performance pitchy, but unfortunately I can't really hear it, my sense of pitch probably isn't as fine-tuned as yours. Is there a specific part of the song that jumps out as being out of key?
To be fair people often tell me my vocals are pitchy, the best I can say is that they are much better than they used to be, but singing is still very much a work in progress for me.
Love it. Nice and melancholic soundscape that the vocals take up a notch.
Wow, this is pretty intense yet darkly beautiful too. Collabs are healthy and enrich the soul. Congratulations to you both on an accomplished piece.
@squeals is there a version of your song available? (Link seems to go a deleted song, unless I've missed a post)
Richard, a couple of examples (to my ears anyway)...in the bit "creed to guide me" the word "guide" sounds off. I think you intend the "guide" word to transition from a D to an E note, but it sort of slides up and it caught my ear as sounding wrong. Transitioning across vowels can be tricky. Also, in "Speak of who you are" you are gunning for an A note on the word "of" I think, but it sounds wrong.
One idea could be to put your vocals into a pitch corrector like Melodyne, correct every note 100% and see how it compares to the note you actually sang - both by listening to the corrected note/original and also comparing them visually. Of course, you are aiming not to use pitch correction at all if you can in the final song. However, I have followed this procedure in the past and it's made me realise which lines of the song I really need to have another go at!
Also, years ago, I had half a dozen or so one-to-one singing lessons. If I was to do this again, I would work face to face again with a real singing coach and work ONLY on my own songs. Take this excellent song, The Life You Wanted and work with the teacher on that. I got so much from my lessons and I'm sure you would have a lot of fun.
I hope I don't come across as cocky, because I don't know any more than anyone else - just sharing two things that have helped me.
Not cocky at all, I'm grateful for the feedback. I have the Vocal Studio Pro app so I'll take a look at the pitch with that.
The pitch issues I'm hearing are throughout the whole song. I'm sure you vocals are getting better as well. But I've listened to enough of your music to say this one is not as good as some I've heard in the recent song of the month threads.
I ran the vocal through the Vocal Tune Studio app, and interestingly it's only very slightly out of tune, you can see the uncorrected vocal here, but if I was to correct it the notes would only move very slightly:
And I think that's the problem, I'm only a little out, but my pitch isn't good enough to pick up on that so it's difficult to hear as I'm singing. More practice will probably fix that over time, but for now I only pitch correction can fix it.
that is exactly why I love your voice so much in the context of your music. I'm not sure I would like your songs more if your pitch was perfect. Qute the opposite actually.
it is the tension that comes from the "unperfect" pitch and the tonal ambiguity that makes your music different and (to me) very enjoyable.
Thanks, that's also an interesting perspective. I can't claim to be doing this deliberately, because it's really just lack of chops, but those slight flaws add a human and fallible element. The trouble is some people find it grating
I could process it away, but I'm kinda tempted to not go down that road.
I used to tune my vocals when I first started doing this, because back then I literally could not sing, but now I sorta can, albeit imperfectly.
There is a balance to be had somewhere between character and perfection, and whichever way you fall you can't please everyone. One cover I do is One More Cup of Coffee by Dylan, but I literally cannot sing it the way he does, because some of the sliding notes are so wild. He's in tune, most of the time, but the way he slides the pitch around is like a violin, it's very expressive, but obviously a lot of people can't stand his voice (although personally I love it):
(also the actual violin in the song is often slightly out of key as well)
To be honest I think there are some notes that are further out than that image shows. For example it's not necessarily the closest note that it should be, but the one that is furthest away. It's up to you but if you want I'd be happy to try an experiment where I run the lead vocal through Melodyne and make the melody sound right to me. If that sounds bad to you I guess I'll shut up from now on. All I'd need is the backing instrumental mix and the lead vocal separate. Unless there are a bazillion layers of vocal but I didn't really focus on that. Let me know what you think.
You're not wrong. There are a lot of bands that have vocals that are not perfectly in tune. It doesn't bother a lot of people. New Order for example, while being a band I love, have vocals that are pitchy. Plenty of others. But I notice every pitch issue. It grabs my ears like an angry Dad.
Funny thing is I’m like you @Ailerom. But for some reason I can’t explain @richardyot is the exception. I really love how his singing goes with his music.
It isn’t about sounding more “true”, or “real”, I don’t care for that. All I care for is the end product. Which is why I autotune the shit out of my vocals so they sound as close as possible to the sound in my head.
If I was making @richardyot ’s music I actually would use Antares to un-autotune the vocals.
I can PM you some stems, I just need a bit of time to export them.
Cool. Should be an interesting outcome.
Just focusing on this bit. I don't think there are any issues with the @richardyot vocals other than pitch. Everything else is really good. And I have nothing but respect for someone that keeps recording and making music regardless of the blunt words of some loser ( @Ailerom ) on an internet forum.
I don't mind the blunt words, I'm always grateful to hear any feedback on my songs. And I don't object to constructive criticism 👍
Sounds great ! It is nice to hear you try new things with your vocals and hope you'll keep going this way. I don't agree with the comments claiming you're out ot tune. I personally think you're mostly in tune on this one, I don't hear anything shockingly wrong.
Indeed, you made some unusual note choices for the melody and that's probably what is bothering a few peoples' ears. But this is your artistic statement and aesthetic choice, so I personally wouldn't change a thing or let anyone persuade me that there is anything wrong with it. If it sounds right to you, then it is about as right as it should be.
It's obviously a divisive topic
When I listen back I don't think I'm out of tune either, and it's corroborated by bringing the vocals into the tuning app, the notes are only off by a few cents - I genuinely think that most people will hear the vocals as being in tune, but maybe there are a few who are particularly sensitive to pitch who might find them grating.
There's no doubt that they can be processed to be more in tune, but I wonder if that is going to take some the character out of the vocal.
This very short extract is just the one line that @BillS pointed out, in the word "guide" the pitch slides up from one note to another, but to me the slide sounds in tune:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gv2hhnl1tnpptkdw6ty3d/Guide-me.mp3?rlkey=3mf59j12aqxapyxajvewsipr9&dl=0
And if I compare that to the Dylan track I posted above it sounds pretty tame
Again I don't think it is a pitch issue. I am usually very sensitive to pitch especially in vocals performance. I really think it is the notes you chose for your melody that can annoy some people's ear because the melody moves in a very unusual way.
I wouldn't recommend using any pitch correction here. Your track is fine as it is. I actually wouldn't recommend using pitch correction on anything at all... It stinks 🤣