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Hahaha. Good one.
But underestimating tablets with 8" screens seems to be a global issue. A few months ago I wanted to get ipad mini equivalent with android and there are only very few devices with this screen size and what's on the market from big IT producers like Lenovo is a joke (CPUs from 2018). At the end I have found a small Chinese manufacturer alldocube who makes a really good and fast ipad mini equivalent. It even looks like ipad mini... And has the headphone jack 😎 all for around 130€
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/10/22/ipad-mini-7-compatible-with-final-cut-pro/
Logic was expected but Final Cut is a great addition. I think they will keep stage manager and stem separation in Logic behind the M1 chips and up.
So yes, I ordered (well, financed) my iPad Mini 7 with 512gb and a Pencil Pro. The Pencil Pro arrived today. The Mini and a nice cover what costed a tenner arrive tomorrow.
Cons (for me personally, ymmv)
-Two new monthly payments added into the budget. Welp...
Pros (again, for me personally)
-More storage so I can fit my favourite romplers and sample libraries on there and produce music on a slightly larger screen again.
-I like the colour purple. (I also like "The Color Purple". Excellent film.) My iPhone 14 Pro Max is purple, so colour coordination. 😂 (Kind of a weak "pro", but no worries.)
-Hover cursor with the Pencil Pro in ProCreate, making art easier to create. Other neat Pencil Pro tricks like barrel roll (although we'll see how much I need that or not lol).
And of course there are the usual (for me personally) pros of a Mini in general like the portability and the form factor I love. And I can use the iPad-only apps like Bam and Tal U-No and Synthmaster 3.
Also maybe I'll return to AUM to make something experimental as it's easier to play with AUM on the Mini than on the iPhone (which is laborious). Been a while since I've done any weird sound experiments. Might be fun to do while seeking inspo for the next more mainstream EP project.
Yah I completely under estimated just how much that would hinder iOS for me as a music device. When my M1dies, the next one will just be a base model mainly for basic browsing/streaming and I'll get something like Ableton Move or Roland Aira instead.
You can get the 5gen mini. It's still fast and has the headphone jack
Just saw in a Reddit thread that someone said that stem splitter does work on the new iPad mini even tho it says it requires an M powered chip. This puts this back on the table for me
It seems the iPad minis use binned versions of the iPhone 15 Pro chip. The iPhones have an extra GPU core. Seems like Tim has been saving the rejects for this product
It’s quite surprising that the iPad uses the A17 Pro chip as that was the one made on the first TSMC 3nm process which was apparently very expensive and Apple quickly moved to the newer 3NE process for the M4s and the A18 line. Which is why the M3 was so short lived as a processor.
There was no non-pro version of the A17 and the A17 pro was only used in the iPhone 15 pros.
None of this means anything as such. I just thought it was interesting from a nerdy perspective.
Heard the same about b stock chips selection for the mini.
Overall, it's quite meh of an upgrade. The same display, almost the same CPU (performance wise). To only noticable upgrade is 8gb of ram vs 4 on previous gen.
Hopefully mini 8 would be something more spectacular. We will find out... in ca. 3 years 😂
I wonder if they use the same (or similar) unified architecture as the m silicon.
Okay, I just checked, and Logic's stem splitter works on the Mini 7 just fine.
I'm seriously considering this now.
I say go for it
I have a mini 2 (that I wish I could get the screen repaired but no one is reasonable around here and I just wanted to buy the screen) but it ran Auria pro !! So if it ran Auria pro you can definitely run a lot with the mini 5. Especially dRambo and ns2
Thanks!
I still have a Mini 2 here too btw, for beta testing Drambo's CPU efficiency 😉
Still rocking the 2020 mini and it works but disappointed the tech isn’t there to put a M chip in it. Will pass on another incremental drip release by Apple.
What other 12.9 M chip users are considering getting the mini 7? I’d probably get more work done , going back to the 12.9 when necessary.
I find my mini2 screen a bit small for using while walking outside and my fingers actually prefer the classic 9.7" (my last base spontaneously crapped out). But not having usb c and doing files over lighting was pretty rough and flakey back in the day. Since there would still end up a day where there is no longer a headphone jack ios device that is practical for me I figure why prolong the pain? Maybe by the time my M1 croaks there will be that super amazing low latency Bluetooth standard implemented.
I've been waiting for the next ipad mini. I have a 5. I'm disappointed they didn't at least go M1 chip on the new one. I'm not sure I'd sell off and upgrade. That said... I don't really notice any processing issues ever on my mini 5. Everything works fine. All my graphics apps, video editing, and Auria Pro actually works better on my ipad mini than it does on my ipad pro M2.
The only problem with it is that my mini 5 is only 64GB (it was a gift)
I’m also surprised they didn’t go with the m1 on the new one. Strange choice but clearly meant to keep buyers focused on the air/pro for the higher end chips.
But the mini is an underrated machine. As you also noted it runs Auria pro , so it can’t be bad
As I mentioned, my Mini 7 can run Logic's stem separation just fine. If it can do that and also run Auria Pro, it is rather powerful despite not having at least an M1 chip.
FWIW, the latest A series chips have higher benchmark scores than the M1. as long as Apple doesn't lock it out, Mini 7 should handle most anything it can and more
The M1 uses more power than the A17 Pro for reasonably similar performance. The A17 Pro has nearly 50% better single core performance than the M1 iPad, the M1 has double the performance cores so wins on multiple core performance.
but overall the A17 Pro is pretty close in performance to the M1 and uses less energy and will have better battery life.
And as I mentioned before, it's a binned iPhone 15 Pro chip. What else were apple going to stick that chip in? It makes no sense to put it in any iPhone as the new 16s use the newer 3ME TSMC process which has completely taken over from the manufacturing process they used to make the A17Pro. My guess is they have enough chips already made to fulfil the run of the Mini and they can stick an A18 in it when they run out without too much drama.
Good point - smart move for Apple to put them to use. I would assume their unified architecture is the difference then …
And Exactly my point @jwmmakerofmusic , if it runs Auria pro and logic then it’s good enough . Doesn’t matter if its m silicon or not
Exactly. So far the Mini 7 does what I need it to do.
And that's a good thing.
Brilliant.
“Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.” ~ Thomas Jefferson
If you’re in the US, OWC has some used mini 5’s for sale. If you’re not in the US, I don’t know if they are a good source or not, but I bought my m1 mbp from them a year or two ago and it’s been great.
I’ve been looking at some of their iPads because I need some for live sound gigs and don’t need the most recent, but the iPad mini 2 I’m using to run my faders is showing its age now.
Looks like A17 Pro is not so bad
Still probably no stage manager for the new mini?
I love it on ipad pro.
@israelite Wow, single core performance definitely makes a difference for demanding audio plugins.
Decided to pick up the iPad mini 7 to try out against my M1 iPad Pro and I’m probably going to trade in the M1 Pro and keep the mini. It handles everything I’d use it for with ease from stem splitting in Logic (only a few seconds slower than the M1 Pro), to all of my sessions in BeatMaker 3. The form factor is just so much better as a tablet. Not missing the 120hz as much as I thought. Ill see how I feel in a few days but right now this feels amazing.
Why not jist keep the pro though? You probably won’t get that much in trade for it .. It’s good to have, no?
Thinking also about getting mini but 6 and would never get rid of the M1 pro since it has super useful stage manager which sadly all minis lack
