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  • UprightmusicUprightmusic

    @wim said:
    "Is that a guitar amp in your pocket or are you just happy to see me."

    Both…the answer is both! 🤣

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Uprightmusic said:
    Looks like the Pocket Master just got a new update. Adds Nam profile support and a couple of new effects. The Nam support is kinda huge IMO.

    Does it say what profiles it supports? There are a few hardware devices that offer NAM support -- but only for lightweight 'nano' profiles.

  • wimwim
    edited January 24

    @cramdog said:

    @wim said:
    I don't understand all the talk about 16 bit. Everything I've seen says it's 24 bit. What am I missing?

    Hi, @wim.
    Note: I’m not sure about the context of the topic, so following my report may be off-topic.

    *
    https://www.sonicake.com/products/pocket-master

    [edit] Ahhh. Thanks @cramdog. The USB output is 16bit while the internal processing is 24bit.
    That makes sense. I should have figured that. Good find!

    No matter. I'm totally fine with 16 bit. I'm one of those "you're nuts if you think you can hear the difference" people, at least when it comes to guitar input.

    Interesting.
    This is from their own web store listing.

  • wimwim
    edited January 24

    I'll have one on Tuesday. I'll be floored if I don't hate it, but that's only because of 26 years of being disappointed with digital multi-FX amp simulators. I'm sure times have changed. I finally got satisfied with a couple of Nembrini amps and vowed to never tone-hunt again. But the temptation of having a battery powered standalone practice rig is just too much at that price.

    It better not be a gateway drug to other purchases like the Mustang Mini. If that happens, I'm comin' for you personally @yellow_eyez. 😎

    Damn. I was almost 24 months tone sober. Once an addict, always an addict.

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic

    @espiegel123 said:

    Does it say what profiles it supports? There are a few hardware devices that offer NAM support -- but only for lightweight 'nano' profiles.

    It doesn’t. I haven’t actually installed it yet I haven’t made it home yet. I got the news from a channel on YouTube.

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic

    @espiegel123 just out of curiosity…what is a nano profile? I was under the impression that a profile is a profile.

  • GRikerGRiker

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    I’m assuming it doesn’t have an iOS/ipadOS app to go with it. ie you’ll need a desktop/laptop PC to update the firmware and/or do any pedal chain editing etc.

    This appears to be the companion iOS app
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/soniclink/id6596747219

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 just out of curiosity…what is a nano profile? I was under the impression that a profile is a profile.

    As I understand it, NAM profiles can be created different levels of precision from nano to hyper with levels in between. The higher the precision, the higher the computational load.

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic

    @espiegel123 said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 just out of curiosity…what is a nano profile? I was under the impression that a profile is a profile.

    As I understand it, NAM profiles can be created different levels of precision from nano to hyper with levels in between. The higher the precision, the higher the computational load.

    Ah that makes sense.

  • CamblerCambler

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @tubespace said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @tubespace said:
    For the price, the Pocket Master looks fantastic! Super tiny and light with lots of preamps. The interface can only put out 16 bits, so that could be a deal-breaker for some people. But for that price, you have to expect some sort of sacrifices.
    I have a Sonicake fuzz pedal, and I really love the sound.

    Yeah the 16 bit aspect may be a deal breaker for some. So I just got it today and I’ve use it both as an interface (into AUM) and straight out the main outs of the unit into a recorder. Absolutely nothing to complain about. It’s rock solid for the price.

    Honestly - for the way most people use guitar sounds - with lots of drive and dirt - you won't notice a difference between 16 and 24 bit. And especially if guitar is just one part of your composition.

    I completely agree.

    Stupid question but could you plug one of these into a 24 bit project and have it record in the downgraded bitrate?

    I don't understand all the talk about 16 bit. Everything I've seen says it's 24 bit. What am I missing?

    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

  • CamblerCambler

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    Stupid question but could you plug one of these into a 24 bit project and have it record in the downgraded bitrate?

    Hmmm I’m not exactly sure.

    Seeing as you have one there, could I be a pain and ask you to try when you have a spare moment?

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic

    @Cambler said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    Stupid question but could you plug one of these into a 24 bit project and have it record in the downgraded bitrate?

    Hmmm I’m not exactly sure.

    Seeing as you have one there, could I be a pain and ask you to try when you have a spare moment?

    When you say “record the down graded bit rate” can you explain what exactly you mean?

  • CamblerCambler
    edited January 24

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    Stupid question but could you plug one of these into a 24 bit project and have it record in the downgraded bitrate?

    Hmmm I’m not exactly sure.

    Seeing as you have one there, could I be a pain and ask you to try when you have a spare moment?

    When you say “record the down graded bit rate” can you explain what exactly you mean?

    I guess I’m just asking if this unit could be used to record audio into an existing 24bit project. I’m not sure if it flatly refuses or it can happen but won’t record at 24bit. The latter is fine but the former makes it hard.

    I’ve sent an email to Sonicake support to clarify the bitrate but not sure how good they are at responding.

  • wimwim
    edited January 25

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @tubespace said:

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @tubespace said:
    For the price, the Pocket Master looks fantastic! Super tiny and light with lots of preamps. The interface can only put out 16 bits, so that could be a deal-breaker for some people. But for that price, you have to expect some sort of sacrifices.
    I have a Sonicake fuzz pedal, and I really love the sound.

    Yeah the 16 bit aspect may be a deal breaker for some. So I just got it today and I’ve use it both as an interface (into AUM) and straight out the main outs of the unit into a recorder. Absolutely nothing to complain about. It’s rock solid for the price.

    Honestly - for the way most people use guitar sounds - with lots of drive and dirt - you won't notice a difference between 16 and 24 bit. And especially if guitar is just one part of your composition.

    I completely agree.

    Stupid question but could you plug one of these into a 24 bit project and have it record in the downgraded bitrate?

    I don't understand all the talk about 16 bit. Everything I've seen says it's 24 bit. What am I missing?

    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

    It's listed as 24bit on their site, but my confusion was that it's 24bit internally, but 16bit over the USB. Not that it makes any practical difference on something like a guitar signal other than the potential for clipping if levels are too high.

  • CamblerCambler

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

    It's listed as 24bit on their site, but my confusion was that it's 24bit internally, but 16bit over the USB. Not that it makes any >practical difference on something like a guitar signal other than the potential for clipping if levels are too high.

    I think you're right @wim. Do you think it's plausible to use this with a 24 bit project to record some audio or will I, or my iPad cease to exist? Just not sure if the software/DAW just goes "nah" or "why not".

  • wimwim
    edited January 25

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

    It's listed as 24bit on their site, but my confusion was that it's 24bit internally, but 16bit over the USB. Not that it makes any >practical difference on something like a guitar signal other than the potential for clipping if levels are too high.

    I think you're right @wim. Do you think it's plausible to use this with a 24 bit project to record some audio or will I, or my iPad cease to exist? Just not sure if the software/DAW just goes "nah" or "why not".

    I've seen a few interfaces that randomly transmogrify humans into dinosaurs and iPads into toilet brushes, but I've never seen any that had a problem with recording into a DAW regardless of the bit rate.

    I can tell you for sure on Tuesday if I'm still human after the attempt.

  • CamblerCambler

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

    It's listed as 24bit on their site, but my confusion was that it's 24bit internally, but 16bit over the USB. Not that it makes any >practical difference on something like a guitar signal other than the potential for clipping if levels are too high.

    I think you're right @wim. Do you think it's plausible to use this with a 24 bit project to record some audio or will I, or my iPad cease to exist? Just not sure if the software/DAW just goes "nah" or "why not".

    I've seen a few interfaces that randomly transmogrify humans into dinosaurs and iPads into toilet brushes, but I've never seen any that had a problem with recording into a DAW regardless of the bit rate.

    I can tell you for sure on Tuesday if I'm still human after the attempt.

    The things you have seen. I can only wish I lived such a life. I appreciate your sacrifice for the good of the first world. Actually I should check the cupboard as I just remembered I had an old Behringer interface which may actually be 16 bit. If I get to it before you, I shall save you the martyrdom!

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez
    edited January 25

    @wim said:
    I'll have one on Tuesday. I'll be floored if I don't hate it, but that's only because of 26 years of being disappointed with digital multi-FX amp simulators. I'm sure times have changed. I finally got satisfied with a couple of Nembrini amps and vowed to never tone-hunt again. But the temptation of having a battery powered standalone practice rig is just too much at that price.

    It better not be a gateway drug to other purchases like the Mustang Mini. If that happens, I'm comin' for you personally @yellow_eyez. 😎

    Damn. I was almost 24 months tone sober. Once an addict, always an addict.

    Hahaha

    I’m glad you took the jump

    I want to but I just got the mustang micro+ for Xmas and it serves my purposes. (And I think is still the smallest micro amp) so while this is extremely, and I mean very, appealing; I’ll just enjoy the fender

    I mean honestly man. I got it MAINLY for cleans, and I love how Fender amps sound and these are spot on…the hi gain stuff is cool and useable but if I really want that I’ll just go to my studio and boot up the real monster amp (axe) - the micro+ was exactly that for me, something to serve as the smallest possible bedroom headphone amp and it’s very good

    I think fender is eventually going to either allow IR loading or they will offer your choice of their own IR but it’s all good either way

    Nah man - it never goes away, as you said, guitar for many of is kind of an addiction lol

    (Man I’m curious about this thing tho)

    PS as with most hardware /software, I would imagine this downscales accordingly /respective to your host

  • CamblerCambler

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

    It's listed as 24bit on their site, but my confusion was that it's 24bit internally, but 16bit over the USB. Not that it makes any >practical difference on something like a guitar signal other than the potential for clipping if levels are too high.

    I think you're right @wim. Do you think it's plausible to use this with a 24 bit project to record some audio or will I, or my iPad cease to exist? Just not sure if the software/DAW just goes "nah" or "why not".

    I've seen a few interfaces that randomly transmogrify humans into dinosaurs and iPads into toilet brushes, but I've never seen any that had a problem with recording into a DAW regardless of the bit rate.

    I can tell you for sure on Tuesday if I'm still human after the attempt.

    @wim ! Found an old UMC202 interface in my cupboard, which is 16bit. Plugged it in and played some bass into a 24bit Cubasis project. No issues at all. Didn't get forensic with the sound but I'm sure it's fine. The bonus is that I am still as human as I was before the experiment and my iPad is now a toad... oh hang on...

  • wimwim
    edited January 25

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

    It's listed as 24bit on their site, but my confusion was that it's 24bit internally, but 16bit over the USB. Not that it makes any >practical difference on something like a guitar signal other than the potential for clipping if levels are too high.

    I think you're right @wim. Do you think it's plausible to use this with a 24 bit project to record some audio or will I, or my iPad cease to exist? Just not sure if the software/DAW just goes "nah" or "why not".

    I've seen a few interfaces that randomly transmogrify humans into dinosaurs and iPads into toilet brushes, but I've never seen any that had a problem with recording into a DAW regardless of the bit rate.

    I can tell you for sure on Tuesday if I'm still human after the attempt.

    @wim ! Found an old UMC202 interface in my cupboard, which is 16bit. Plugged it in and played some bass into a 24bit Cubasis project. No issues at all. Didn't get forensic with the sound but I'm sure it's fine. The bonus is that I am still as human as I was before the experiment and my iPad is now a toad... oh hang on...

    Shoot. I wasn't quick enough to stop you. Behringer interfaces don't turn you into something else. They just clone you.

  • CamblerCambler

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:
    The specs in the manual state 16bit and some of the YouTube reviews mention the 16 bit limitation.

    It's listed as 24bit on their site, but my confusion was that it's 24bit internally, but 16bit over the USB. Not that it makes any >practical difference on something like a guitar signal other than the potential for clipping if levels are too high.

    I think you're right @wim. Do you think it's plausible to use this with a 24 bit project to record some audio or will I, or my iPad cease to exist? Just not sure if the software/DAW just goes "nah" or "why not".

    I've seen a few interfaces that randomly transmogrify humans into dinosaurs and iPads into toilet brushes, but I've never seen any that had a problem with recording into a DAW regardless of the bit rate.

    I can tell you for sure on Tuesday if I'm still human after the attempt.

    @wim ! Found an old UMC202 interface in my cupboard, which is 16bit. Plugged it in and played some bass into a 24bit Cubasis project. No issues at all. Didn't get forensic with the sound but I'm sure it's fine. The bonus is that I am still as human as I was before the experiment and my iPad is now a toad... oh hang on...

    Shoot. I wasn't quick enough to stop you. Behringer interfaces don't turn you into something else. They just clone you.

    Yea Wim. Yes Wim. We agree. We must now buy a Pocket Master!

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic
    edited January 25

    @Cambler i believe @wim is right. I don’t think audio recorded in 24bit will keep a project from playing on a 16 bit audio interface. I’ve never had an issue like that and I use 16-bit files with 24-bit audio interface. I imagine if this was a thing it would be talked about as something to be extremely aware of.

    https://tonehunt.org/frank_l82/60eeaf42-11e1-4893-b644-a6fd21359cb1

  • CamblerCambler

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @Cambler i believe @wim is right. I don’t think audio recorded in 24bit will keep a project from playing on a 16 bit audio interface. I’ve never had an issue like that and I use 16-bit files with 24-bit audio interface. I imagine if this was a thing it would be talked about as something to be extremely aware of.

    You are indeed correct @Uprightmusic. I found an old 16bit umc202 in my cupboard and managed to test it in a 24bit project in Cubasis and all was fine.

    The hilarious thing is that in doing that I’m now questioning whether I need the Pocket Master when I can just use the Behringer and all the iPad auv3 fix goodies I have at my disposal 😝 Not sure I’ll realistically need battery power.

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic

    @espiegel123 so I loaded a Nam capture into the Pocket Master. Didn’t get any error messages. I’m not sure if it’s a nano profile or not. It’s a profile I downloaded from Tone Hunt (link below). Those sharing profiles on the site don’t provide any information as to which level of complexity they used when capturing their profiles. So maybe it’s safe to assume Pocket Master works with all Nam profiles?

  • wimwim

    @Cambler said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @Cambler i believe @wim is right. I don’t think audio recorded in 24bit will keep a project from playing on a 16 bit audio interface. I’ve never had an issue like that and I use 16-bit files with 24-bit audio interface. I imagine if this was a thing it would be talked about as something to be extremely aware of.

    You are indeed correct @Uprightmusic. I found an old 16bit umc202 in my cupboard and managed to test it in a 24bit project in Cubasis and all was fine.

    The hilarious thing is that in doing that I’m now questioning whether I need the Pocket Master when I can just use the Behringer and all the iPad auv3 fix goodies I have at my disposal 😝 Not sure I’ll realistically need battery power.

    Nice to have a self-contained unit that doesn't need an iOS device sometimes though.

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 so I loaded a Nam capture into the Pocket Master. Didn’t get any error messages. I’m not sure if it’s a nano profile or not. It’s a profile I downloaded from Tone Hunt (link below). Those sharing profiles on the site don’t provide any information as to which level of complexity they used when capturing their profiles. So maybe it’s safe to assume Pocket Master works with all Nam profiles?

    From what I have read, this uses standard NAM - which is very cool if that’s the case

    It’s like a pocket Nux

  • CamblerCambler

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @Cambler i believe @wim is right. I don’t think audio recorded in 24bit will keep a project from playing on a 16 bit audio interface. I’ve never had an issue like that and I use 16-bit files with 24-bit audio interface. I imagine if this was a thing it would be talked about as something to be extremely aware of.

    You are indeed correct @Uprightmusic. I found an old 16bit umc202 in my cupboard and managed to test it in a 24bit project in Cubasis and all was fine.

    The hilarious thing is that in doing that I’m now questioning whether I need the Pocket Master when I can just use the Behringer and all the iPad auv3 fix goodies I have at my disposal 😝 Not sure I’ll realistically need battery power.

    Nice to have a self-contained unit that doesn't need an iOS device sometimes though.

    You devil! That comment and the fact it’s my birthday in a week or so means I am again thi king of it 😝 Yeh I guess the idea of being able to plug phones into means couch guitar sessions can go next level.

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic

    @yellow_eyez said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 so I loaded a Nam capture into the Pocket Master. Didn’t get any error messages. I’m not sure if it’s a nano profile or not. It’s a profile I downloaded from Tone Hunt (link below). Those sharing profiles on the site don’t provide any information as to which level of complexity they used when capturing their profiles. So maybe it’s safe to assume Pocket Master works with all Nam profiles?

    From what I have read, this uses standard NAM - which is very cool if that’s the case

    It’s like a pocket Nux

    So I’ve now downloaded a few packs from Tone Hunt. One of them was label “Hyper Accuracy” I’m not sure if this refers to one of the modes @espiegel123 was mentioning but Pocket Master loaded it right in without any issues. On a side note results vary widely on that Tone Hunt site. You really have to do some digging and downloading to find something good. It’s probably to be expected since they are free. I’m going to check out Tone Junkie and see what he has for Nam.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @Uprightmusic said:

    @yellow_eyez said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @espiegel123 so I loaded a Nam capture into the Pocket Master. Didn’t get any error messages. I’m not sure if it’s a nano profile or not. It’s a profile I downloaded from Tone Hunt (link below). Those sharing profiles on the site don’t provide any information as to which level of complexity they used when capturing their profiles. So maybe it’s safe to assume Pocket Master works with all Nam profiles?

    From what I have read, this uses standard NAM - which is very cool if that’s the case

    It’s like a pocket Nux

    So I’ve now downloaded a few packs from Tone Hunt. One of them was label “Hyper Accuracy” I’m not sure if this refers to one of the modes @espiegel123 was mentioning but Pocket Master loaded it right in without any issues. On a side note results vary widely on that Tone Hunt site. You really have to do some digging and downloading to find something good. It’s probably to be expected since they are free. I’m going to check out Tone Junkie and see what he has for Nam.

    hyperaccuracy profiles are the most demanding. So, it sounds like it can handle any profile.

  • wimwim

    @Cambler said:

    @wim said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Uprightmusic said:
    @Cambler i believe @wim is right. I don’t think audio recorded in 24bit will keep a project from playing on a 16 bit audio interface. I’ve never had an issue like that and I use 16-bit files with 24-bit audio interface. I imagine if this was a thing it would be talked about as something to be extremely aware of.

    You are indeed correct @Uprightmusic. I found an old 16bit umc202 in my cupboard and managed to test it in a 24bit project in Cubasis and all was fine.

    The hilarious thing is that in doing that I’m now questioning whether I need the Pocket Master when I can just use the Behringer and all the iPad auv3 fix goodies I have at my disposal 😝 Not sure I’ll realistically need battery power.

    Nice to have a self-contained unit that doesn't need an iOS device sometimes though.

    You devil! That comment and the fact it’s my birthday in a week or so means I am again thi king of it 😝 Yeh I guess the idea of being able to plug phones into means couch guitar sessions can go next level.

    It has drum loops to practice to as well. 😈

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