The December Challenge - 1 Synth, 4 Instances

bygjohn

@GeoTony said:
Here’s my deeply unfashionable attempt using the old and abandoned Roli Melody synth.
Still in my view one of the best MPE capable synths. Played by Piano Motifs and me using GeoShred.

Well pffft to fashion. That’s lovely.

NeuM

@GeoTony said:
Here’s my deeply unfashionable attempt using the old and abandoned Roli Melody synth.
Still in my view one of the best MPE capable synths. Played by Piano Motifs and me using GeoShred.

Awesome instrumental, man.

jwmmakerofmusic

@GeoTony said:
Here’s my deeply unfashionable attempt using the old and abandoned Roli Melody synth.
Still in my view one of the best MPE capable synths. Played by Piano Motifs and me using GeoShred.

How on Earth is this unfashionable? Bloody hell it's beautiful mate! Well done!

Fruitbat1919

@GeoTony said:
Here’s my deeply unfashionable attempt using the old and abandoned Roli Melody synth.
Still in my view one of the best MPE capable synths. Played by Piano Motifs and me using GeoShred.

Nicely played!

piano39

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@dendy said:

@piano39 said:

@Drrabbitfoot said:
What defines a rompler that one is confusing me

I agree. To me, SynthMaster is a rompler. Tons of sampled waveforms. OTOH, the Moog IOS apps appear to be analog emulations, so they are Ok.

That is not rompler .. wavetables oscillators doesn’t mean rompler .. rompler is like sampler - there are samoled complete sounds from orher synths (not just single cycle waveforms like in SM), often samoled on different keys. Romples usually have just small amount of edit possibilities (simple envelopes, just minimal modulation capabilities, some basic filter, that’s it)

Synthmaster is not rompler. It’s same synth like Moog synths or any other synth. The fact it has wavetables doesn’t mean it’s rompler, rompler is very different thing.

Agree. Synthmaster wouldn't come under the 'rompler' label - and that's all it is, a label - often loosely defined. You can't even say that the lack of single cycle waveforms deserves the label, as many synthesis methods use longer samples as their starting material for sound! Even the modern workstations that originally came from workstations that coined the term by shoving in more and longer waveforms, don't really fit the term these days, as most have other synthesis methods.

To be fair, it's not really a sensible term anyway, as it was never clearly defined years ago and with today's instruments, it means even less.

I stand corrected, for the most part. For the record, though, it depends what version you have. Their website defines “SynthMaster Player” as a rompler “ with limited editing”.

Confusing issue.

dendy

@piano39 said:
I stand corrected, for the most part. For the record, though, it depends what version you have. Their website defines “SynthMaster Player” as a rompler “ with limited editing”.

Confusing issue.

Nah, it's not that confusing, it's actually pretty simple ... It's absolutely clear what is Rompler .. Simple definition is - it's literally like sampler just without sampling capability. There are pre-recorded entire sounds inside (so not just wavetable oscillators, but entire sounds like piano hit, some synth lead hit, bass played on few notes across few octaves, etc - usually with long tail (or looped part for long-sustained amp envelope) - there were various tricks used especially in old-school Roland and Yamaha romplers like CS1x , JV1080, Korg M1, etc - to get as much sound variety (by then applying amp / filter envelopes on that sampled material, and eventually some LFOs mostly just on filter, volume or pitch) as possible...

SynthMaster Player is definitely not ROMpler, just because they put it on their website, it just means they also have a bit mess in terms :-) SynthMaster Player is just "preset player" (i think there is more accurate term to this type op synth engines packed into less-editable packages, but can't remember). Yeah it has limited access to editing capabilities but the entire synth engine is still inside.. So no, even through state it on their website, SM Player is not ROMpler

(well, i may be wrong in case SM Player really doesn't have synth engine inside but just sampled entire sounds from bit SM, but i am highly in doubt this is the case, in my understanding SM Player is just SM synth engine packed into box with just few controls and pre-defined list of presets which you can tweak with those controls, but not because they are samples but because purpose of SM Player is simply tease you to buy full SM )

Fruitbat1919

@piano39 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@dendy said:

@piano39 said:

@Drrabbitfoot said:
What defines a rompler that one is confusing me

I agree. To me, SynthMaster is a rompler. Tons of sampled waveforms. OTOH, the Moog IOS apps appear to be analog emulations, so they are Ok.

That is not rompler .. wavetables oscillators doesn’t mean rompler .. rompler is like sampler - there are samoled complete sounds from orher synths (not just single cycle waveforms like in SM), often samoled on different keys. Romples usually have just small amount of edit possibilities (simple envelopes, just minimal modulation capabilities, some basic filter, that’s it)

Synthmaster is not rompler. It’s same synth like Moog synths or any other synth. The fact it has wavetables doesn’t mean it’s rompler, rompler is very different thing.

Agree. Synthmaster wouldn't come under the 'rompler' label - and that's all it is, a label - often loosely defined. You can't even say that the lack of single cycle waveforms deserves the label, as many synthesis methods use longer samples as their starting material for sound! Even the modern workstations that originally came from workstations that coined the term by shoving in more and longer waveforms, don't really fit the term these days, as most have other synthesis methods.

To be fair, it's not really a sensible term anyway, as it was never clearly defined years ago and with today's instruments, it means even less.

I stand corrected, for the most part. For the record, though, it depends what version you have. Their website defines “SynthMaster Player” as a rompler “ with limited editing”.

Confusing issue.

It's not overly confusing, because the history shows us where the term came from in the nineties - sampled sounds played from ROM.

The problem with the definition arrises from what then is considered a 'rompler'. Many synths described as 'romplers' have single cycle waveforms included and have as much synthesis manipulation of the waveforms as do the analog synths these digital synths took there ideas from.

Even the rack units (like the Emu Proteus etc) and the early Workstation synths, had much more actual synthesis in them than most people realise - I know because I had some of the Emu gear; they were complex and many had some really innovative filters etc. The problem is, they were pretty in accessible compared to the analog and hybrid synths they came from. People just wanted easy....

....So, it kind of goes like this.....people wanted to make authentic sounds with synths, which was not very easy or really ideal.....then samplers arrived and we could sample real sounds!....but they were a pain to program and had little memory for the samples.....some added more synthesis to samplers (like the DSS1) but they were still too complex for most and people just wanted the sounds without the hassle. So, they tried to combine samples in innovative ways to make more complex sounds like on the Roland D50. But, even with the advent of synthesis methods that would give some more complex sounds, such as the DX7, people still wanted more realistic sounds....well some did lol - hence the samplers and digital synthesis evolution into the rompler. More memory came and larger sound sample sets came and eventually musicians that never programmed a sound on their synths were happy....then everyone wanted 'proper' synthesis again and it all went full circle lol.

Fruitbat1919

@bygjohn said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
A quick entry this month

I like this a lot. Congratulations!

Thank you

Drrabbitfoot

I started one with Nerd, is this ok?

dendy

My contribution … 4x Hilda ??hypnotic chill acid techno?? live jam …

Fruitbat1919

@Drrabbitfoot said:
I started one with Nerd, is this ok?

To me, Nerd leans to the synth side more than rompler, even though technically it does have sampled waveforms in I do believe. It’s like the line between a D50 and an M1. Most would probably say the D50 is a synth and the M1 a rompler, but they both have sampled waveforms in them!

jwmmakerofmusic

@Drrabbitfoot said:
I started one with Nerd, is this ok?

I don't believe the Nerd synth is a rompler. 🤔 Should be fine.

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@dendy said:
My contribution … 4x Hilda ??hypnotic chill acid techno?? live jam …

That was incredible! A perfect blend of Acid and Ambient. I love it.

Drrabbitfoot

Thank you for your y’all

Fruitbat1919

@dendy said:
My contribution … 4x Hilda ??hypnotic chill acid techno?? live jam …

Nice hypnotic build up then break down at the 430 mark. Kept me engaged all the way through

Fruitbat1919

@Drrabbitfoot said:
Thank you for your help y’all

Like Dendys, quite hypnotic. You got some good sounds from Nerd. As often is the case with these challenges, I was waiting for some drums to come kicking in near the end. Might be worth expanding the track further outside of the challenge

Nighur

I chose RingsFX as synth…thank you, Paul.
Maybe a bit overlong…

Drrabbitfoot

@Nighur said:
I chose RingsFX as synth…thank you, Paul.
Maybe a bit overlong…

I love the movement in this, it’s definitely a memory scene for me

Drrabbitfoot

Thank you @Fruitbat1919

Fruitbat1919

Another quickie. A bit all over the place but hey, I was kinda bored….

Drrabbitfoot

@Fruitbat1919 it hits right this morning

Fruitbat1919

@Drrabbitfoot said:
@Fruitbat1919 it hits right this morning

…right between the eyes lol….

Where’s yours gone?

jwmmakerofmusic

@Drrabbitfoot said:
Thank you for your help y’all

Hey mate, where did the video go? Say it's been removed by the uploader.

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@Nighur said:
I chose RingsFX as synth…thank you, Paul.
Maybe a bit overlong…

Very nice and mellow. Very lovely job well done.

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@Fruitbat1919 said:
Another quickie. A bit all over the place but hey, I was kinda bored….

Reminds me of being on a spaceship. I really love it.

Fruitbat1919

> @Nighur said:

I chose RingsFX as synth…thank you, Paul.
Maybe a bit overlong…

I will never feel normal….ish again! lol

Drrabbitfoot

Sorry y’all needed to better the upload lol