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Wotja: Live Generative Music System

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  • imtimimtim

    @catherder said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    How is it not AI? From what I can tell , it's "machine generated using software algorithms" - AI!!

    Software algorithms are based on mathematical, statistical and logic rules that are used to create something - a melody for example. Wotja offers a very detailed system to create and modify these rules.
    An AI system in contrast is based on machine learning based models that have been trained with existing data - for example music that others created before. The output is created by the AI system finding patterns in the model that match the query.

    Indeed, thank you!

  • impeteimpete

    @imtim said:

    @catherder said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    How is it not AI? From what I can tell , it's "machine generated using software algorithms" - AI!!

    Software algorithms are based on mathematical, statistical and logic rules that are used to create something - a melody for example. Wotja offers a very detailed system to create and modify these rules.
    An AI system in contrast is based on machine learning based models that have been trained with existing data - for example music that others created before. The output is created by the AI system finding patterns in the model that match the query.

    And not only that - Wotja is very much about personal creativity. Which, so far as I can tell, Generative AI systems are not.

    Best wishes, Pete

  • imtimimtim

    Hi Folks,

    FYI we have just submitted a couple of hot fixes:

    • 26.0.1 for Windows which includes a hot fix to resolve the In-App Store display issue.
    • 26.0.1 for iOS which now shows the Pro 26 Mobile OTB price in red during its Early Bird deal period.

    With best wishes

    Tim

  • ardbalmxardbalmx
    edited April 29

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  • catboxcatbox
    edited January 5

    Hi @imtim! Hope this is the right thread for a question. I've been using Wotja for some time - it is an amazing program - and I just bought the Pro26 upgrade while on early bird pricing. Great work as always!

    One thing that always has bugged me remain, though, and I am curious whether this is something you might have plans to look into at some point: I love to sequence cells - you can get some great things going by using more rows in parallel, and letting cells generate for different number of bars so they drift in and out of sync with the changes. However, the changes from one cell to the next when the number of bars are up are always quite abrupt, sometimes even generating clicks from the internal sound engine.

    From the manual it seems that you can not adjust the crossfading between cells, and that there is a fixed duration of 2 seconds: https://wotja.com/tutorials/item/mix-cell-sequencing.html

    Have you considered opening up for the option to adjust this? Longer (really long!) crossfading between cells would be amazing! Or are there some deeper engine-related reasons for this not being possible?

  • imtimimtim

    @catbox said:
    Hi @imtim! Hope this is the right thread for a question. I've been using Wotja for some time - it is an amazing program - and I just bought the Pro26 upgrade while on early bird pricing. Great work as always!

    Thank you very much on all counts!

    One thing that always has bugged me remain, though, and I am curious whether this is something you might have plans to look into at some point: I love to sequence cells - you can get some great things going by using more rows in parallel, and letting cells generate for different number of bars so they drift in and out of sync with the changes. However, the changes from one cell to the next when the number of bars are up are always quite abrupt, sometimes even generating clicks from the internal sound engine.

    From the manual it seems that you can not adjust the crossfading between cells, and that there is a fixed duration of 2 seconds: https://wotja.com/tutorials/item/mix-cell-sequencing.html

    Have you considered opening up for the option to adjust this? Longer (really long!) crossfading between cells would be amazing! Or are there some deeper engine-related reasons for this not being possible?

    We have wanted to be able to look at this area for a very long time, but it is challenging for a number of reasons. I hope we might be able to find time to look this year, but we have a lot planned and it will depend on Pete!

  • catboxcatbox

    @imtim said:

    @catbox said:
    Hi @imtim! Hope this is the right thread for a question. I've been using Wotja for some time - it is an amazing program - and I just bought the Pro26 upgrade while on early bird pricing. Great work as always!

    Thank you very much on all counts!

    One thing that always has bugged me remain, though, and I am curious whether this is something you might have plans to look into at some point: I love to sequence cells - you can get some great things going by using more rows in parallel, and letting cells generate for different number of bars so they drift in and out of sync with the changes. However, the changes from one cell to the next when the number of bars are up are always quite abrupt, sometimes even generating clicks from the internal sound engine.

    From the manual it seems that you can not adjust the crossfading between cells, and that there is a fixed duration of 2 seconds: https://wotja.com/tutorials/item/mix-cell-sequencing.html

    Have you considered opening up for the option to adjust this? Longer (really long!) crossfading between cells would be amazing! Or are there some deeper engine-related reasons for this not being possible?

    We have wanted to be able to look at this area for a very long time, but it is challenging for a number of reasons. I hope we might be able to find time to look this year, but we have a lot planned and it will depend on Pete!

    Thanks! :smile: I’m happy to hear that it is in the queue!

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  • impeteimpete

    @eylvy said:

    Happy New Year :smile:

  • godgod

    @eylvy said:

    Thank you for the vid! 🙏

  • imtimimtim

    Hi Folks.

    Wotja 26.1.0 is now available, and it is a free update.

    This is a major update with New Features, Improvements and fixes etc. See our 26.1.0 Press Release for the big picture: https://wotja.com/news/press/260309-Wotja-26.1-Live-Generative-Music-and-MIDI.html

    In that we talk about how we have added support for creating minified Wotja Mixes that can be shared as URLs, yes, URLs! It's easy to create and share these, too. See our FAQ items on sharing, which give the low down: https://wotja.com/help/#sharing.

    As to what's in the release, please see the key things below. If you want the full list then please see it on our Releases page: https://wotja.com/releases/#w26-1-0.

    We hope you enjoy using Wotja 26!

    Best wishes from Tim and Pete.

    EXAMPLE WOTJA URL (330 chars)
    NB: Wotja 26.1.0 required
    "Wotja 26 Play Me": Tap to play > https://wotja.com/play/#mix/?t=Welcome+to+Wotja+26 Love+what+you've+made? Then+share+it!&d=eNoljs0KgmAQRV9FZinj58xoaiqC0UIFXeRPgbmICiGSIFxE4bv3Rbt7D-fCZVIOI1wghLvNEl2rZ1M1-YvfWVvdmn3ZHeq2KboyPdXF-JjSbZ5t0hEQJghlQTdAJnTXSOgT9sNRsWISJzJ9CTR00UFB0_d-hiZJzETGzrBYKInrf9ETQ5TAsAwLfmBmCHvCIND5TDqLfjjb2pXI4hV6ir6tCSwZ&v=26.1.0 

    NEW FEATURES
    - Share Screen > Generate minified Wotja Mix Files for social sharing

    IMPROVEMENTS
    - Developed new minified Wotja Mix File format
    - Players combined into one content-aware Player
    - Player supports loading/playing of minified Wotja Files
    - Wotja filetypes are (in general) smaller than before
    - Major rework & simplification of Share Screen (Pro 23+)
    - Option to use Custom Text (and recipes) in Share Screen (Pro 23+)
    - Setting > Optimise for Mix Sharing
    - (Windows) Setting > Check for VST Update on Start?
    - (iOS/macOS/Windows) Play is delayed until any Hosted Plug-in has loaded in the background
    - (iOS) Much faster processing of Wotja URL/URI when used to start Wotja
    - Wotja UG & Demo content updated to use the new V26.1 formats
    - Any import (incl. WJURL) can open in Mix Editor [no need to save it 1st]
    - WAE > Sample & Granular Unit saves minified template data as possible
    - User Guide further improved for better clarity

    FIXED
    - Bypassed WAE units where not always displayed as such in the WAE Network Editor
    - WAE S&G Unit wasn't saving/restoring when using Envelope
    - WAE S&G Unit was allowed to select Wotja Mix files
    - TTM Generators using cut-up text could be silent when previewing in Template browser

    OTHER
    - Lots more: see https://wotja.com/releases/#w26-1-0

    P.S. Enjoying using Wotja? It really helps us if you update your review or leave another rating. Tx!

  • imtimimtim

    Hi Folks,

    We realised just now that we forget to do a post saying that free updates Wotja 26.2.0 and 26.2.1 were released a while back (sorry!). https://wotja.com/releases

    FYI we are currently working on 26.3.0 but don’t yet know when it will be ready.

    26.2.1
    IMPROVEMENTS

    • File > New (> Mix) > Auto > Spinner now displayed to show progress while the Mix is being created

    FIXED

    • Windows / Android: File > New (> Mix) > Auto > New document wasn't always visible without restarting Wotja
    • Android: Wotja Settings weren’t always saved/restored
    • Various minor bugs

    26.2.0
    NEW FEATURES

    • Share > generate a minified Schema URL/URI for sharing
    • Share > generate a minified Album URL/URI for sharing

    IMPROVEMENTS

    • Developed new minified Schema format
    • Developed new minified Album format
    • Settings > "Optimise for Mix sharing" now OFF by default
    • Schemas & Albums saved to new, smaller full fat format

    IMPROVEMENTS (Minor)

    • Use current Wotja icon when loading faulty document

    FIXED

    • (Windows / Android) Newly created Auto-mix was not immediately visible
    • FX Preset list again shows grouped sections
    • Various Schema related issues
    • Mix/Album document RHS hamburger item "Open in Player" action menu item
    • Schema item in Album could be incorrectly be saved as a Mix
    • File thumbnails no longer re-scanned when changing Documents segment
    • Could not set Schema "Text for Source #0" to empty
    • Crash on import of URI where Plug-in marked as bypassed
    • Issue parsing Schema rules where there was only a single item

    CHANGED

    • UI String "Mixes in Box" > "Mixes in Album"
    • Index for shared built-in album track is now is 1 based

    With best wishes

    Tim & Pete

  • godgod

    Hey Tim! Thank you guys for the updates. Just a question as a developer to a developer, how much did your dev workflow change due to the rise of AI agents, do you use it a lot, a little, not at all?

  • impeteimpete

    @god said:
    Hey Tim! Thank you guys for the updates. Just a question as a developer to a developer, how much did your dev workflow change due to the rise of AI agents, do you use it a lot, a little, not at all?

    Hi! We don’t use it all. I tried a couple of experiments, and decided it is a terrible idea! For my money, I view generative AI as a “plausible output generator”. Nothing more.

    Best wishes, Pete

  • godgod

    @impete said:

    @god said:
    Hey Tim! Thank you guys for the updates. Just a question as a developer to a developer, how much did your dev workflow change due to the rise of AI agents, do you use it a lot, a little, not at all?

    Hi! We don’t use it all. I tried a couple of experiments, and decided it is a terrible idea! For my money, I view generative AI as a “plausible output generator”. Nothing more.

    Best wishes, Pete

    That is noble 😅
    Thanks for your reply 💖

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