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Motto Akemie by ALM Co. (Released on iOS)

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  • firstworldmanfirstworldman

    @Gavinski said:
    I think this is very cool, but there is one aspect of the design I regard as a failure, at least when trying to do harmonic stuff. Anyone who got it (or even who didn't but understand how it works and the limits that its UI puts on its usability) want to guess what that is?

    Assuming you mean that one ought to be able to quantize. Maybe it sorta goes against the conventional modular ethos to say that it should be quantized to a scale? But there are quantizers in eurorack world too. A similar interface exists for the fors.fm m4l device Dyad, and that has a built in quantizer in a workflow that still feels very exploratory and hands on. It would be faster to get things working if we could keep things in tune without a lot of fidgeting. And ALM doesn’t typically seem constrained by any rigid adherence to ‘the modular way of doing things.’ Still, I love the app even if it never gets quantization… though I do hope they fix the copy paste thing for auv3.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @firstworldman said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I think this is very cool, but there is one aspect of the design I regard as a failure, at least when trying to do harmonic stuff. Anyone who got it (or even who didn't but understand how it works and the limits that its UI puts on its usability) want to guess what that is?

    Assuming you mean that one ought to be able to quantize. Maybe it sorta goes against the conventional modular ethos to say that it should be quantized to a scale? But there are quantizers in eurorack world too. A similar interface exists for the fors.fm m4l device Dyad, and that has a built in quantizer in a workflow that still feels very exploratory and hands on. It would be faster to get things working if we could keep things in tune without a lot of fidgeting. And ALM doesn’t typically seem constrained by any rigid adherence to ‘the modular way of doing things.’ Still, I love the app even if it never gets quantization… though I do hope they fix the copy paste thing for auv3.

    No, not about quantising actually! My main gripe is that the tiny box for doing pitch offset via Freq Start/End in the sequencer is just not up to the job! Absolutely zero accuracy. Can't even come close to what you might want to dial in. It's just too small a space. Looks nice with all the little identical black boxes but really, long strips would be more appropriate for doing offsets of freq start and end. For the other controls, the small box is sufficient, but not for those two. Lack of undo and redo is a real workflow cramper too. Still fun, but flawed, imo

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Gavinski said:

    @firstworldman said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I think this is very cool, but there is one aspect of the design I regard as a failure, at least when trying to do harmonic stuff. Anyone who got it (or even who didn't but understand how it works and the limits that its UI puts on its usability) want to guess what that is?

    Assuming you mean that one ought to be able to quantize. Maybe it sorta goes against the conventional modular ethos to say that it should be quantized to a scale? But there are quantizers in eurorack world too. A similar interface exists for the fors.fm m4l device Dyad, and that has a built in quantizer in a workflow that still feels very exploratory and hands on. It would be faster to get things working if we could keep things in tune without a lot of fidgeting. And ALM doesn’t typically seem constrained by any rigid adherence to ‘the modular way of doing things.’ Still, I love the app even if it never gets quantization… though I do hope they fix the copy paste thing for auv3.

    For the other controls, the small box is sufficient

    Actually no, Ratio could also do with a strip for dialing it in rather than a box.

  • KrupaKrupa

    @Gavinski said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @firstworldman said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I think this is very cool, but there is one aspect of the design I regard as a failure, at least when trying to do harmonic stuff. Anyone who got it (or even who didn't but understand how it works and the limits that its UI puts on its usability) want to guess what that is?

    Assuming you mean that one ought to be able to quantize. Maybe it sorta goes against the conventional modular ethos to say that it should be quantized to a scale? But there are quantizers in eurorack world too. A similar interface exists for the fors.fm m4l device Dyad, and that has a built in quantizer in a workflow that still feels very exploratory and hands on. It would be faster to get things working if we could keep things in tune without a lot of fidgeting. And ALM doesn’t typically seem constrained by any rigid adherence to ‘the modular way of doing things.’ Still, I love the app even if it never gets quantization… though I do hope they fix the copy paste thing for auv3.

    For the other controls, the small box is sufficient

    Actually no, Ratio could also do with a strip for dialing it in rather than a box.

    That solution we came up with earlier of a single track taking up the same space as six for fine editing would be great. As would a draw mode, and having different length loops for each parameter track so that you could get much more evolving rhythms going…

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Krupa said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @firstworldman said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I think this is very cool, but there is one aspect of the design I regard as a failure, at least when trying to do harmonic stuff. Anyone who got it (or even who didn't but understand how it works and the limits that its UI puts on its usability) want to guess what that is?

    Assuming you mean that one ought to be able to quantize. Maybe it sorta goes against the conventional modular ethos to say that it should be quantized to a scale? But there are quantizers in eurorack world too. A similar interface exists for the fors.fm m4l device Dyad, and that has a built in quantizer in a workflow that still feels very exploratory and hands on. It would be faster to get things working if we could keep things in tune without a lot of fidgeting. And ALM doesn’t typically seem constrained by any rigid adherence to ‘the modular way of doing things.’ Still, I love the app even if it never gets quantization… though I do hope they fix the copy paste thing for auv3.

    For the other controls, the small box is sufficient

    Actually no, Ratio could also do with a strip for dialing it in rather than a box.

    That solution we came up with earlier of a single track taking up the same space as six for fine editing would be great. As would a draw mode, and having different length loops for each parameter track so that you could get much more evolving rhythms going…

    Yep, all 3 of those would be super useful

  • SlushSlush

    Well, I think it is a cracker. It sounds amazing, fantastic for techno and all sorts of percussions. It’s a little bit of a fiddle with the small sliders sometimes in the steps, maybe when doing so it should have a small pop-up showing the percentage or something. I am going to email the developer with some comments (and issues like midi out for all sounds and copy/paste not working). I will ask if the dev is going to release their reverb and delay apps, checking the demos on the website they sound great as well. Any info I will share.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Slush said:
    Well, I think it is a cracker. It sounds amazing, fantastic for techno and all sorts of percussions. It’s a little bit of a fiddle with the small sliders sometimes in the steps, maybe when doing so it should have a small pop-up showing the percentage or something. I am going to email the developer with some comments (and issues like midi out for all sounds and copy/paste not working). I will ask if the dev is going to release their reverb and delay apps, checking the demos on the website they sound great as well. Any info I will share.

    Great! Yeah, put my vid upon YouTube yesterday detailing some of the things I regard as issues. It's still very fun to play with, sounds great. I hope they port more stuff, taking into account these kinds of user criticisms / suggestions.

  • SlushSlush

    @Gavinski said:

    @Slush said:
    Well, I think it is a cracker. It sounds amazing, fantastic for techno and all sorts of percussions. It’s a little bit of a fiddle with the small sliders sometimes in the steps, maybe when doing so it should have a small pop-up showing the percentage or something. I am going to email the developer with some comments (and issues like midi out for all sounds and copy/paste not working). I will ask if the dev is going to release their reverb and delay apps, checking the demos on the website they sound great as well. Any info I will share.

    Great! Yeah, put my vid upon YouTube yesterday detailing some of the things I regard as issues. It's still very fun to play with, sounds great. I hope they port more stuff, taking into account these kinds of user criticisms / suggestions.

    Got a reply:

    “Thank you! Im glad you are enjoying and thank you for very generous rating!

    We haven't even officially announced the iPad version and have been quite caught off guard with its popularity :) We've also just had a big module release and as a tiny company we are very busy atm!

    Im logging all your issues as bugs/feature requests on our bug tracker and we will investigate in time - likely in the new year now.

    MFX plugs are a possibility - we are seeing how the Motto goes basically.”

  • gardengarden

    @Gavinski said:

    @firstworldman said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I think this is very cool, but there is one aspect of the design I regard as a failure, at least when trying to do harmonic stuff. Anyone who got it (or even who didn't but understand how it works and the limits that its UI puts on its usability) want to guess what that is?

    Assuming you mean that one ought to be able to quantize. Maybe it sorta goes against the conventional modular ethos to say that it should be quantized to a scale? But there are quantizers in eurorack world too. A similar interface exists for the fors.fm m4l device Dyad, and that has a built in quantizer in a workflow that still feels very exploratory and hands on. It would be faster to get things working if we could keep things in tune without a lot of fidgeting. And ALM doesn’t typically seem constrained by any rigid adherence to ‘the modular way of doing things.’ Still, I love the app even if it never gets quantization… though I do hope they fix the copy paste thing for auv3.

    No, not about quantising actually! My main gripe is that the tiny box for doing pitch offset via Freq Start/End in the sequencer is just not up to the job! Absolutely zero accuracy. Can't even come close to what you might want to dial in. It's just too small a space. Looks nice with all the little identical black boxes but really, long strips would be more appropriate for doing offsets of freq start and end. For the other controls, the small box is sufficient, but not for those two. Lack of undo and redo is a real workflow cramper too. Still fun, but flawed, imo

    Yeah, those tiny little boxes are absurdly finicky for an app meant to be on mobile. Almost as bad as AudioModern’s stuff.

    Cute engine, though.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @garden said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @firstworldman said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I think this is very cool, but there is one aspect of the design I regard as a failure, at least when trying to do harmonic stuff. Anyone who got it (or even who didn't but understand how it works and the limits that its UI puts on its usability) want to guess what that is?

    Assuming you mean that one ought to be able to quantize. Maybe it sorta goes against the conventional modular ethos to say that it should be quantized to a scale? But there are quantizers in eurorack world too. A similar interface exists for the fors.fm m4l device Dyad, and that has a built in quantizer in a workflow that still feels very exploratory and hands on. It would be faster to get things working if we could keep things in tune without a lot of fidgeting. And ALM doesn’t typically seem constrained by any rigid adherence to ‘the modular way of doing things.’ Still, I love the app even if it never gets quantization… though I do hope they fix the copy paste thing for auv3.

    No, not about quantising actually! My main gripe is that the tiny box for doing pitch offset via Freq Start/End in the sequencer is just not up to the job! Absolutely zero accuracy. Can't even come close to what you might want to dial in. It's just too small a space. Looks nice with all the little identical black boxes but really, long strips would be more appropriate for doing offsets of freq start and end. For the other controls, the small box is sufficient, but not for those two. Lack of undo and redo is a real workflow cramper too. Still fun, but flawed, imo

    Yeah, those tiny little boxes are absurdly finicky for an app meant to be on mobile. Almost as bad as AudioModern’s stuff.

    Cute engine, though.

    It is cute in many respects. I swear to God tho, I'm getting so sick of devs not realizing the importance of ppl being able to dial in pitch quickly and accurately. They're not the only offenders in this regard, far from it!

  • geremygeremy

    Motto Akemie was updated today to fix the copy/paste long press in AUv3 mode.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @geremy said:
    Motto Akemie was updated today to fix the copy/paste long press in AUv3 mode.

    Yes, great!

  • SlushSlush

    Great, fast fix!

  • MonkeyDrummerMonkeyDrummer

    Are the voice parameters exposed as auv3 mappable params in AUM?

  • SlushSlush

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Are the voice parameters exposed as auv3 mappable params in AUM?

    Yes!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Are the voice parameters exposed as auv3 mappable params in AUM?

    Yes but only for knobs, not for the little squares for steps.

  • MonkeyDrummerMonkeyDrummer

    @Gavinski said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Are the voice parameters exposed as auv3 mappable params in AUM?

    Yes but only for knobs, not for the little squares for steps.

    Cool. Thanks for the info.

    Seems like this could be a nice cheap alternative to Erika Synths Perkons. I love the videos of that thing, but the price is just totally whacked out for what’s basically a pi with a nicely built midi controller.

  • SlushSlush

    If this thing only showed some percentage numbers in those little sequencer steps, that would be really helpful as the sliders in there are so microscopic. Anyway a great buy.

  • QmisheryQmishery

    Looks pretty cool. Is this mostly for drums and/or bass lines, or you can make the whole song with it (internally)? If yes, how many steps in sequence per voice are available? Like, is it possible to make the whole "song" with 128 steps "stictched" together out of many 16 step "parts"? (like in Electribe or something).

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Qmishery said:
    Looks pretty cool. Is this mostly for drums and/or bass lines, or you can make the whole song with it (internally)? If yes, how many steps in sequence per voice are available? Like, is it possible to make the whole "song" with 128 steps "stictched" together out of many 16 step "parts"? (like in Electribe or something).

    You can stitch things together with a song mode. Control over pitches is very imprecise tho, you might want to watch my video before making up your mind:

  • QmisheryQmishery

    Thanks, will check that.

    Control over pitches is very imprecise tho

    imho good way for such is allowing to enter the note or number from keyboard/keypad

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Qmishery said:
    Thanks, will check that.

    Control over pitches is very imprecise tho

    imho good way for such is allowing to enter the note or number from keyboard/keypad

    Yes but this doesn't quantise to notes. As I say in this video, it would really benefit from having long sliders for frequency-sensitive parameters rather than tiny boxes.

  • QmisheryQmishery
    edited January 3

    Yeah, just got to that part in your video. Very frustrating, indeed.

    Also each voice is 2op fm? At first I thought each would be 4op.

    I still consider if I might support it and purchase just due to how low is OS version entry (I'm one of those ios10 dinosaurs who never let go 32-bit apps from their library of purchases, so seeing ios9+ in requirements made me happy).

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Qmishery said:
    Yeah, just got to that part in your video. Very frustrating, indeed.

    Also each voice is 2op fm? At first I thought each would be 4op.

    I still consider if I might support it and purchase just due to how low is OS version entry (I'm one of those ios10 dinosaurs who never let go 32-bit apps from their library of purchases, so seeing ios9+ in requirements made me happy).

    It's definitely fun, just be prepared for some real frustration and wasted time if you're trying to dial in pitches quickly and accurately

  • QmisheryQmishery

    Re: about FM.

    So it's modular-style exponential FM rather than Yamaha-style linear FM, right? Got a bit confused :)

  • SlushSlush

    @Gavinski said:

    @Qmishery said:
    Looks pretty cool. Is this mostly for drums and/or bass lines, or you can make the whole song with it (internally)? If yes, how many steps in sequence per voice are available? Like, is it possible to make the whole "song" with 128 steps "stictched" together out of many 16 step "parts"? (like in Electribe or something).

    You can stitch things together with a song mode. Control over pitches is very imprecise tho, you might want to watch my video before making up your mind:

    Song mode? As far as I know you can only copy/paste patterns, max 16 steps and switch between them manual.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Slush said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Qmishery said:
    Looks pretty cool. Is this mostly for drums and/or bass lines, or you can make the whole song with it (internally)? If yes, how many steps in sequence per voice are available? Like, is it possible to make the whole "song" with 128 steps "stictched" together out of many 16 step "parts"? (like in Electribe or something).

    You can stitch things together with a song mode. Control over pitches is very imprecise tho, you might want to watch my video before making up your mind:

    Song mode? As far as I know you can only copy/paste patterns, max 16 steps and switch between them manual.

    That's true, I stand corrected!

  • SlushSlush

    @Gavinski said:

    @Slush said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Qmishery said:
    Looks pretty cool. Is this mostly for drums and/or bass lines, or you can make the whole song with it (internally)? If yes, how many steps in sequence per voice are available? Like, is it possible to make the whole "song" with 128 steps "stictched" together out of many 16 step "parts"? (like in Electribe or something).

    You can stitch things together with a song mode. Control over pitches is very imprecise tho, you might want to watch my video before making up your mind:

    Song mode? As far as I know you can only copy/paste patterns, max 16 steps and switch between them manual.

    That's true, I stand corrected!

    It definitely needs song mode! :)

  • QmisheryQmishery

    Something like SunVox's one where you choose patterns and place them in order yeah, would be nice.

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    Bought this yesterday and am loving it.
    Won’t be using it for kicks, snares, hats….but the characterful percussion and wobbly little synth lines it makes are lovely

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