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“UFOs” over New Jersey and what they probably really are..

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  • @sevenape said:
    Whilst this is my favourite topic of discussion, after what happened with my 'Woo' thread I am going to limit this just to this comment:

    The US government is gaslighting the american public over the drone discussion. So many people have seen something, and these are people who live in the area, police, governors, mayors included... to just brush it off as 'There are no drones, you are all mistaken', is an incredibly bad look.

    Yes this is opinion also emerges from within the government itself or sections whom have come forward and testified as such.

  • I'm doing it! I'm reopening this here can o worms and I want in baby!

    Some pretty wild reports coming out of NJ, seems like "drones" is an increasingly inaccurate name for whatever's going on!

  • A YouTube search for "UAP hearing testimony opening statements" is instructive! Seems there's abundant evidence that there's been non-human shenanigans happening for decades, and probably actually thousands of years. Fun times!

  • Although, "I Want to Believe"

    My guess is that it's nothing but manned aircraft and/or commercial drones... and the media it hyping it up at the direction of the wealthy ruling class, because that CEO who was gunned down, and the shooter turned into a folk hero, has them terrified of copycat killers. They're pumping up the drone/UFO thing to change the current narrative and distract attention.

  • I thought it was quite feasible that it could be a counterintelligence false flag operation until I heard some of the anecdotal reports coming out (holy corn dodgin' UFOs, batman). That seemed to indicate the capabilities of these things just aren't in line with what we could put in the air. Still, I suppose time will tell, although it seems to be often the case with these things that before there are any answers it just drops off the radar of most people.

    It seems there's such an extensive and well documented history of the US government doing absolutely everything in their power to muddy the waters and prevent information about this stuff getting out - we'll probably never find out what's actually going on, and almost certainly not from any mainstream sources.

  • edited December 2024

    It seems like the UFO stuff conveniently comes out when the powers that be need a distraction… then it drops off the radar as soon as as the public/media focuses on the next distraction.

    That said, this one seems different

  • edited December 2024

    My Spidey sense tells me it’s a political distraction to cover up all kinds of nefarious deeds in progress in Washington.

    ‘We have met the aliens and they are us.’

  • @skiphunt said:
    It seems like the UFO stuffs conveniently comes out when the powers that be need a distraction… then it drops off the radar as soon as as the public/media focuses on the next distraction.

    That said, this one seems different

    Looks like we’re on the same page on this.

  • My son lives in NJ and swears they are going in and out of the ocean

  • We need to make a iOS Drones challenge!! Lotsa reverb! @jwmmakerofmusic what ya think

  • @reasOne said:
    My son lives in NJ and swears they are going in and out of the ocean

    Think they might be some sort of delivery or security system between an offshore carrier and an unreported location on land?

  • It seems quite possible to me that the NJ drone thing will turn out to be like the “pitted windshield” panic of 1954 [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_windshield_pitting_epidemic] which was largely a case of people paying attention to something commonplace that they had not noticed until their attention was drawn to it.

    Quite a few observers in NJ have pointed out that no high-quality high resolution photos or videos have been posted in spite of this occurring in an area where many people have high-resolution photographic and videographic devices.

    A lot of posted videos and pictures are of airplanes and satellites, planets and stars. One video that got a lot of attention showed 5 lighted oin a tight jittery formation that

  • @reasOne said:
    We need to make a iOS Drones challenge!! Lotsa reverb! @jwmmakerofmusic what ya think

    https://droneday.org/

    Not until May 2025. ;)

  • edited December 2024

    Couldn’t resist…. One final encore… (only for you ”others” 😉😘😎)

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    In one of the weirdest experiences of my life, I did see a UFO hovering over the coast less than a quarter mile from my house's deck. It was at night. It made absolutely no sound and moved in ways that really only an advanced drone could. I would have easily heard a drone at that distance. I had seen and heard more than one drone over the beach before.

    This was far too big and far too bright to be a drone. It was about the size of a helicopter, but was all one very bright pulsating light with rainbow colors emanating from its edges and sometimes an aura. It also periodically swept the area with a very powerful spotlight. Sometimes it would disappear and then appear somewhere else.

    Huge skeptic that I am, I refused to believe and observed it as intently as I could for perhaps ten minutes. I was forced in the end to all but believe I had seen a real UFO. There was just no other explanation.

    A few days later I saw a news story about a test launch of a missile at Vandenberg airbase ... more than 400 miles away that same night. I had been the victim of, as Douglas Adams would put it, a massive miscalculation of scale. What I was seeing is the drive plume of that missile as it maneuvered through its test cycle. When pointing different directions it looked like a pulsing sphere, a probing light, or briefly vanishing.

    Long story to say that explanations can be a lot more obtuse than we would think. If I hadn't stumbled across that article, I'd have no explanation to this day for that experience.

    I don't at all think that all UFO sightings are explainable by what we know though. Weird stuff does happen.

  • edited December 2024

    @espiegel123 said:
    A lot of posted videos and pictures are of airplanes and satellites, planets and stars. One video that got a lot of attention showed 5 lighted oin a tight jittery formation that

    OMG - the Feds have cut him off mid-sentence! He was about to blow the lid on this TOP SECRET project and the DEEP STATE has used BLACK OPS to silence him just as he was about to SPILL HIS GUTS! Patriots unite! Stand back and stand by! Swamp the drains!

  • That made my day. 😂😂

  • edited December 2024

    I’ve seen a whole bunch of weird stuff over the years that deny any logical explanation.

    The problem with any discussion about UFO’s though, is we don’t know what the genuinely unidentified objects are, so the best we can manage us to round up the available evidence and make a guess. Statements like ‘it’s definitely not aliens’ are meaningless, since we (the general public) can’t currently confirm that either way.

    Problem these days though, is the amount and variety of drone types buzzing around muddy the waters - so genuinely unidentifiable objects might actually be wrongly identified as drones!

    As to these cases, they do sound like drone activity. The mystery for me, is why the governments are so tight-lipped about them.

  • @oldsynthguy said:
    I’ve seen a whole bunch of weird stuff over the years that deny any logical explanation.

    The problem with any discussion about UFO’s though, is we don’t know what the genuinely unidentified objects are, so the best we can manage us to round up the available evidence and make a guess. Statements like ‘it’s definitely not aliens’ are meaningless, since we (the general public) can’t currently confirm that either way.

    Problem these days though, is the amount and variety of drone types buzzing around muddy the waters - so genuinely unidentifiable objects might actually be wrongly identified as drones!

    As to these cases, they do sound like drone activity. The mystery for me, is why the governments are so tight-lipped about them.

    A “UFO” (or UAP) does not imply evidence of aliens on earth, it’s just a catch-all term to describe a flying “object” which cannot be identified. Alien involvement should always be last on a long list of possibilities.

  • @NeuM said:

    @oldsynthguy said:
    I’ve seen a whole bunch of weird stuff over the years that deny any logical explanation.

    The problem with any discussion about UFO’s though, is we don’t know what the genuinely unidentified objects are, so the best we can manage us to round up the available evidence and make a guess. Statements like ‘it’s definitely not aliens’ are meaningless, since we (the general public) can’t currently confirm that either way.

    Problem these days though, is the amount and variety of drone types buzzing around muddy the waters - so genuinely unidentifiable objects might actually be wrongly identified as drones!

    As to these cases, they do sound like drone activity. The mystery for me, is why the governments are so tight-lipped about them.

    A “UFO” (or UAP) does not imply evidence of aliens on earth, it’s just a catch-all term to describe a flying “object” which cannot be identified. Alien involvement should always be last on a long list of possibilities.

    Yeah, that’s pretty much what I said here:

    we don’t know what the genuinely unidentified objects are, so the best we can manage us to round up the available evidence and make a guess.

    But I don’t see why aliens should be last on the list. ‘Unidentified’ means we don’t know, and all the obvious explanations have been ruled out.

  • edited December 2024

    I rarely venture beyond the Creations section, but I couldn't resist this one.
    This is just my opinion...and you know what they say about opinions.

    "Opinions are like ___holes, everybody's got one"

    Here we go...

    The drones belong to "the government", whoever that might be.
    They are desperately and frantically searching for something before it’s too late.
    The repercussions of being observed while searching, are much less than the alternative.
    "They" are probably 100% correct in saying that the drones themselves don't pose a threat.
    Stay calm.

    Don't bother replying. I'm outa here!

  • @oldsynthguy said:

    @NeuM said:

    @oldsynthguy said:
    I’ve seen a whole bunch of weird stuff over the years that deny any logical explanation.

    The problem with any discussion about UFO’s though, is we don’t know what the genuinely unidentified objects are, so the best we can manage us to round up the available evidence and make a guess. Statements like ‘it’s definitely not aliens’ are meaningless, since we (the general public) can’t currently confirm that either way.

    Problem these days though, is the amount and variety of drone types buzzing around muddy the waters - so genuinely unidentifiable objects might actually be wrongly identified as drones!

    As to these cases, they do sound like drone activity. The mystery for me, is why the governments are so tight-lipped about them.

    A “UFO” (or UAP) does not imply evidence of aliens on earth, it’s just a catch-all term to describe a flying “object” which cannot be identified. Alien involvement should always be last on a long list of possibilities.

    Yeah, that’s pretty much what I said here:

    we don’t know what the genuinely unidentified objects are, so the best we can manage us to round up the available evidence and make a guess.

    But I don’t see why aliens should be last on the list. ‘Unidentified’ means we don’t know, and all the obvious explanations have been ruled out.

    Aliens are last on my list (but definitely not off the list) because of what I see as the odds against extraterrestrial origin are overwhelming. Is there life elsewhere in the universe? The odds for that are overwhelming.

    The distances involved, the vast number of planets, the insignificance of our own civilization in it all are beyond comprehension. Might aliens sophisticated enough to have found us and traveled here be interested in us? Probably. As @knewspeak pointed out, we study all kinds of life ourself.

    But, think about the vast difference in technology and physiology (if it can even be called that) of beings that could travel faster than light or for the centuries needed to get here. It just doesn't make sense to me that they'd end up zipping around here in little bitty crafts that even slightly resemble our own technology.

    So if "Alien" means extraterrestrial in origin, then to me the odds are overwhelmingly low, though not out of the question. If Alien means simply extra-human in origin? That's way higher on the list for me, though still somewhat far down, skeptic that I am.

    I'm very open to the idea that there are phenomena and even intelligence at work beyond that which we understand. I doubt that's what's up in this case, but that's another subject.

    Anyway ... that's why extraterrestrials in are way down on my own list of probable explanations.

  • Sorry - one more thought.

    Unless an extra terrestrial observer originated in our own solar system or found some way to overcome the speed of light to observe us, anything they observed about earth from their home would likely be from hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years ago.

    If we pointed a telescope at planets in the Alpha-Centauri system, the closest to earth, you would see what happened there almost 5 years ago. Most star systems in our own small galaxy are more than 50,000 light years away. The closest other galaxy is over 500,000 light years away.

    If we were observed by others they wouldn't be seeing anything like the earth today. Would they be interested enough in us to travel here based on what they saw? I don't know, but again, it makes the odds very low in my view.

    Of course that assumes their observational ability is limited by the speed of light. That's not necessarily a safe assumption, but it affects the odds, and also reinforces my belief that any form of crafts they'd have here would be unlikely to be anything like what we see as UFO's these days.

  • edited December 2024

    Juuuuust gonna leave this here....(slides tweet over the table slowly)...

    https://x.com/senmastriano/status/1868794734530953444?s=46&t=I_FVwML8PhElI6yUiRC-uQ

  • I think the evidence is pretty strong that there is not some massive increase in drone presence but a massive increase in the number of people searching the sky for suspicious lights … mistaking airplanes, satellites, planets and stars as something unusual.

    Given the amount of vigilance in the past week and the number of people with photographic and video graphic equipment capable of recording reasonably high-resolution nighttime images, the fact that all we are seeing are lo-res images that simply show lights in the sky that could be planes, satellites, etc suggests that there isn’t something spectacularly unusual.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    @drez said:
    Juuuuust gonna leave this here....(slides tweet over the table slowly)...

    I won't comment on the tweet itself, but the photo below it s hilarious! I'm still chuckling. 😂

  • @wim said:

    @drez said:
    Juuuuust gonna leave this here....(slides tweet over the table slowly)...

    I won't comment on the tweet itself, but the photo below it s hilarious! I'm still chuckling. 😂

    haha, yeah i was wondering if he posted it in sarcasm to get attention or if he thought that was actually one of them 😂

  • @drez said:

    @wim said:

    @drez said:
    Juuuuust gonna leave this here....(slides tweet over the table slowly)...

    I won't comment on the tweet itself, but the photo below it s hilarious! I'm still chuckling. 😂

    haha, yeah i was wondering if he posted it in sarcasm to get attention or if he thought that was actually one of them 😂

    The guy who made that post is a far right-wing politician who in the past has been qanon-adjacent and promoted a variety of conspiracy theories.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2024

    @espiegel123 said:

    @drez said:

    @wim said:

    @drez said:
    Juuuuust gonna leave this here....(slides tweet over the table slowly)...

    I won't comment on the tweet itself, but the photo below it s hilarious! I'm still chuckling. 😂

    haha, yeah i was wondering if he posted it in sarcasm to get attention or if he thought that was actually one of them 😂

    The guy who made that post is a far right-wing politician who in the past has been qanon-adjacent and promoted a variety of conspiracy theories.

    Of course. Nothing wrong with pointing that out, tough I'm guessing anyone here is savvy enough to figure that out on their own, and equally so that that minds are irrevocably made up as to whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. 😉

    The pic is funny tho. Even funnier if he didn't mean it as a joke.

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