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  • @israelite said:
    We have already requested from the developer to give us access to backing up of iaps. Will this happen? We will see. Would be fair towards people who spend hard money on these iaps.

    Did you see the message above...

    It said "He mentioned on his forum that he wouldn't do that because the IAPs are done by a third party (Platinum Audiolab)".

    So, it looks like he can't include the IAPs embedded in the app due to a legal/copyright issue.

  • @israelite said:
    Manual backing up of obsidian presets is tedious but possible.

    By making a copy from a preset as a User patch?
    That's the option I considered if needed :lol:

  • @wim said:

    @MrSmileZ said:
    Wonder why he didn’t just try the subscription model, I’m sure a lot of folks wouldn’t mind supporting a really great developer?

    Subscription would have to rely on new customers that were willing to pay a subscription. You can't force existing owners to subscription without running afoul of App Store policy. If not enough new people are buying it for one-time $10 or sometimes less, there wouldn't likely be enough willing to go subscription.

    Even if he made it a new app and loyal customers were willing to go subscription with essentially what they already purchased to keep it alive, then there would come the expectations of updates, such as audio tracks. My understanding is the whole reason it was set aside was the need to work full time at something that can pay the bills. Banking on subscription revenue to replace a steady job is probably not seen as a worthwhile gamble.

    Sad but true…

  • wimwim
    edited February 21

    @MrSmileZ said:

    @wim said:

    @MrSmileZ said:
    Wonder why he didn’t just try the subscription model, I’m sure a lot of folks wouldn’t mind supporting a really great developer?

    Subscription would have to rely on new customers that were willing to pay a subscription. You can't force existing owners to subscription without running afoul of App Store policy. If not enough new people are buying it for one-time $10 or sometimes less, there wouldn't likely be enough willing to go subscription.

    Even if he made it a new app and loyal customers were willing to go subscription with essentially what they already purchased to keep it alive, then there would come the expectations of updates, such as audio tracks. My understanding is the whole reason it was set aside was the need to work full time at something that can pay the bills. Banking on subscription revenue to replace a steady job is probably not seen as a worthwhile gamble.

    Sad but true…

    Besides, there's all that competition from Retro Piano and all the other Audiobus Pty Ltd. subscriptions apps? Who's gonna pay monthly for a DAW when they can get a cute little rompler instead??

  • @MrSmileZ said:
    Wonder why he didn’t just try the subscription model, I’m sure a lot of folks wouldn’t mind supporting a really great developer?

    Have you seen the hate rained on devs that go subscription?

    The developer wrote a long post some years ago (more or less announcing why NS2 was unlikely to get more than maintenance releases) explaining the finances as he saw them...and shared the information that NS2 had earned 1/5 the revenue of NS1 at a similar point in time in its life-cycle. My impression was that by his estimate subscription was unlikely to earn enough revenue to make weathering the bad feelings worthwhile. I might be misremembering but that is the impression I recall.

  • The sad thing about all this is that the music community has lost one of its best developers. NS2 is a gem and I think one of the most user-friendly music apps.

  • @wim said:
    I dug out my ancient iPad 2 to see if I could still install it. After some (expected) hassles I was able to do it. Man! I never fully appreciated NS1 before. I had hours of fun, and made a couple of tracks I liked a lot ... without a hiccup on a 24 year old device.

    Man, you scared me for a second with that 24 years comment!

    Had to think about it and then remembered that I bought my iPad 1 in 2010; was relieved that time isn't moving THAT fast :)

  • edited February 21

    @SevenSystems said:
    I've actually tried this "Virtual Office Address" thing for keeping my apps in the EU.

    I lost patience after:

    • hidden costs being added all the time after the initial agreement, in the end being closer to EUR 100 / month instead of the initial EUR 60
    • the company (Regus) requiring outlandish bureaucratic shenanigans to "approve" the address, including going to a police station for witnessing my passport to prevent "money laundering" and "terrorism" (!)
    • you get the vibe 😄

    But yeah, I must admit I probably have below-average patience with bullshit.

    IMHO, the more measures taken to prevent money-laundering and terrorism, the better.

    Well, classic excuse for non-necessary levels of bureaucracy and state-spying on their citisents techniques.

    Vast majority of illegal money are laundered using either cash dollars transactions OR using international banks (surprisingly most heavily regulated entities on planet are also biggest money laundereres on planet)


    (funny fact - just last on is Crypto exchange, rest are old good plain traditional finance bank institutions, which breaks another myth sold by politicians to their voters - that crypto is used for financing of crime and terrorism)

    All those "money laydering and terrorism" counter measurement applied on small businisses and idividual people are mostly just bureaucracy which main purpose is that politicians can sell to their voters narrative that they are doing something with these problems. (Also secondary purpose is spying on people and slowly taking more and more control over their money, to have leverage in case government needs it - like when Canadian gov freezed bank accounts of people who were financially supporting truckers protesting agains covid restrictions).

  • Does anyone know what Matt does for a day job these days? Is he a dev for some big company earning the bucks?

  • @senhorlampada said:

    @israelite said:
    Manual backing up of obsidian presets is tedious but possible.

    By making a copy from a preset as a User patch?
    That's the option I considered if needed :lol:

    Exactly

  • edited February 21

    @Wyvern said:
    The sad thing about all this is that the music community has lost one of its best developers. NS2 is a gem and I think one of the most user-friendly music apps.

    @Simon said:

    @israelite said:
    We have already requested from the developer to give us access to backing up of iaps. Will this happen? We will see. Would be fair towards people who spend hard money on these iaps.

    Did you see the message above...

    It said "He mentioned on his forum that he wouldn't do that because the IAPs are done by a third party (Platinum Audiolab)".

    So, it looks like he can't include the IAPs embedded in the app due to a legal/copyright issue.

    But he can make it free now? There is a solution to every issue.
    The issue is people paid for these IAPs so give us ability to back it up.
    There could be the last version of NS2 that allows copying of slate samples from IAPs so every person who purchased this comtent would be able to save this presets as user presets and preserve them after the app will be removed from distribution.

  • It feels like the real villain here is Apple and their backup policies rather than some poor sod who’s going out of business.

  • @FordTimeLord said:
    It feels like the real villain here is Apple and their backup policies rather than some poor sod who’s going out of business.

    Yes. It’s odd really: I imagine it would be quite sensible from a business point of view for Apple to continue to host old apps which developers made free and stopped paying developer fees accordingly. What ties me into the iPad ecosystem is the apps I’ve purchased and want to continue using (on a new device when the time comes) rather than the platform itself. If those apps disappear completely, there’s less incentive for me to stick with Apple. The cost to Apple of continuing to host old legacy apps to keep them available via customers My Purchases section would surely be nothing to a corporation of Apple’s size so it’s an odd approach they take to my mind.

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  • edited February 21

    @Robin2 said:

    @FordTimeLord said:
    It feels like the real villain here is Apple and their backup policies rather than some poor sod who’s going out of business.

    Yes. It’s odd really: I imagine it would be quite sensible from a business point of view for Apple to continue to host old apps which developers made free and stopped paying developer fees accordingly. What ties me into the iPad ecosystem is the apps I’ve purchased and want to continue using (on a new device when the time comes) rather than the platform itself. If those apps disappear completely, there’s less incentive for me to stick with Apple. The cost to Apple of continuing to host old legacy apps to keep them available via customers My Purchases section would surely be nothing to a corporation of Apple’s size so it’s an odd approach they take to my mind.

    Old, abandoned apps don't get updated and can break with new versions of iOS.

    It might be that Apple doesn't want customers having the bad experience of apps breaking as soon they upgrade. That could give the whole notion of "always upgrade to the latest version" a bad name.

    Or something along those lines...

  • @Simon said:

    Old, abandoned apps don't get updated and can break with new versions of iOS.

    It might be that Apple doesn't want customers having the bad experience of apps breaking as soon they upgrade. That could give the whole notion of "always upgrade to the latest version" a bad name.

    Or something along those lines...

    Well, it's the Apple who usually breaks things causing some apps stops working .. I am develover for +25 years and used ALL kinds if various APIs from many companies .. never saw any company other than apple giving less fuck about backward compatibility for their API ;-)

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:
    Does anyone know what Matt does for a day job these days? Is he a dev for some big company earning the bucks?

    I think I read he’s moved on to working for a company making video games - and making much better $$$ yes.

  • @dendy said:
    Well, it's the Apple who usually breaks things causing some apps stops working ..

    Ha! Very true. :smiley:

  • edited February 21

    I’ve seen this coming for awhile. Matt poured years of his life into NS2 and unfortunately for a myriad of reason it didn’t sell even remotely as well as nanostudio 1. A couple years after it came out he basically said he would maintain it with updates but it wasn’t feasible to continue any serious development for financial reasons. I feel saddened to see it go but I completely sympathize w him. I remember during development him mentioning how hard he was working on it and how his desk was littered with papers. :(

    I started migrating my favorite patches I created from NS2 to Drambo last year in anticipation which I think/hope it will stick around for awhile to come

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