Want ONE hardware Groovebox for reducing screen time at night

dendy

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@dendy said:
what about older devices … second hand Korg Electribe E2 is pretty cheap but definitely usable . It runs on batteries, has ableton live session export .. Has it’s limitations, but definitely good portable groovebox

Problem is these used devices are not cheap at all and not many choices out there

Hm.. 300 euro is in my opinion not bad price .. new one costs around 430-450 ..
https://reverb.com/en-sk/item/87208395-korg-electribe-2-2010s-blue

dendy

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@catherder said:
@jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

Also - I know their usefulness is controversial, but have you thought about blue light filtering glasses?

night shift with additionally added "More Warm" helps significantly .. you don't need glasses then..

this is basically my settings on ALL my iOS devices - i have it enabled basically NONSTOP, regardless if it is day or night.. works perfectly for me ..

oscillotus

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@catherder said:
@jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

An e-reader and e-books have been great for me. I would never go back to normal books or a tablet for this. Comic books are the exception, I use a tablet for color and size. Also, with public library e-books, this is much cheaper and in the comfort of my home.

Also got off of social media and news in general, this cut my screen time big time. Also it has great impact on my general mood. This might have been my best move in recent years, no joking.

So now, I only use my phone for messaging/calling and research and my iPad for music and comics.

jklovemusic

@oscillotus

This is the way!

jklovemusic

@dendy said:

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@Gavinski said:

@jklovemusic said:

@catherder said:
@jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

Also - I know their usefulness is controversial, but have you thought about blue light filtering glasses?

night shift with additionally added "More Warm" helps significantly .. you don't need glasses then..

this is basically my settings on ALL my iOS devices - i have it enabled basically NONSTOP, regardless if it is day or night.. works perfectly for me ..

Thanks. I know and have been using all sort of "night mode"

And since I now tapped into e-ink, I will try black and white mode on iPad. Not sure if that's scientifically better to human eyes

dendy

well black is no color - means pixel on display is just turned off - but pure white is basically mix of ALL colors - means including blue :-)) so this wont’t help much .. literally every pixel on your display consists from 3 luminiscent points - red, green and blue , and for strictly white color they all shine at maximum level

E-ink worls differencly - it’s about how much display reflects light which is coming on it from enviroment.. so black are absorbs everything, white are reflects everything .

This os very simplified description, in reality it is a bit more complicated, but this is enough to understand principle.

OnfraySin

I have a roland fp30 in my bedroom. After put the kids in bed, I spent a few minutes playing meanwhile my wife reads.

HarlekinX

@OnfraySin said:
I have a roland fp30 in my bedroom. After put the kids in bed, I spent a few minutes playing meanwhile my wife reads.

Imagining Ralph Wiggum playing piano while having a wife 😯

mistercharlie

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@OnfraySin said:
I have a roland fp30 in my bedroom. After put the kids in bed, I spent a few minutes playing meanwhile my wife reads.

Imagining Ralph Wiggum playing piano while having a wife 😯

😂

jklovemusic

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@catherder said:
@jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

Also - I know their usefulness is controversial, but have you thought about blue light filtering glasses?

I am getting a pair this weekend and see if that helps. After all, only my eyes can tell the difference. Thanks for reminding me this.

jklovemusic

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Based on what you’ve said so far though… I’d suggest the Move. Leave the hardcore arrangement to Live after you’ve fiddled with the foundations. It’s really the best device at doing what it was designed for that I’ve used. But I also trust @Tarekith and I’ve never used the OP, so maybe you’d like that?

Thanks for the roadmap for making decision. I got your point. I already picked cheap so the rest is either good or fast. I go fast.

To my suprise, I'm sold by my friend's idea to get an e-ink Android tablet and play with whatever available on Android including the very joyful Koala Sampler and Sunvox. And the model that can install Android apps is fairly afforable!

Boox Go Color 7 is $249, a budget one that fixes all night time usage request.

https://shop.boox.com/products/gocolor7

It's funny that I started a topic of good enough Android music apps... https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/60770/android-apps-are-good-enough-for-playing-some-music-on-the-go/p1

edit: Not sure if the Android screen is as sensitive as iPad for touch playing but Koala support QWERTY keyboard

That sounds like it would be really frustrating in practice. I love e-ink displays for reading but for touch playing, editing samples, mixer pages etc, I suspect input lag would be an issue. Sure you could use a QWERTY keyboard but you could do that with your iPad and just not look at it while you’re playing.

I managed to try a budget one and indeed the display latency is a thing. Knobs becoming unusable and sliders still okay. Overall Koala experience is not ideal haha

tk32

+1 for the Roland MC-101

A pandora's box of secrets (...and multi-key shortcuts)

I love that it runs on 4xAA rechargeables too.

jklovemusic

@Edward_Alexander said:
@jklovemusic have you had a look at the Sonicware “Liven” grooveboxes?

I don’t have one, and I’m not 100% sure they tick all of your requirement boxes (especially regarding the “lifetime storage”), but they can be found pretty cheap on Reverb.

Also, what about the Korg Volcas?

Things change as one of my frd with multiple Sonicware just told me their sequencers are quite different. I took a look and found the Mega Synthesis has a 128 patterns of 128 steps sequencer with 6 tracks 6(track 1-3)+4(track 4-5)+3(track 6 Sampler) max 13 Polyphony. This change the equation and make it a very budget and capable device that checked all my boxes

wim

@Gavinski said:

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@jklovemusic said:

@catherder said:
@jklovemusic would a screen with a good night mode (reduced brightness and reduced blue light) work? An e-ink display is only as good as your room lighting or its backlight.

Actually the equation is not only the night time. If i can redirect more than half of my passive screen time, like reading X, articales and ebooks to the e-ink device. I actually don’t have to leave iPad/Mac for muisc production.

Also - I know their usefulness is controversial, but have you thought about blue light filtering glasses?

But then you have to ditch your peril sensitive sunglasses. Not a good tradeoff.

jklovemusic

@Gavinski feel better after a few days with blue light filtering glasses, not sure if thats placebo effect haha

dendy

@jklovemusic said:

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@Edward_Alexander said:
@jklovemusic have you had a look at the Sonicware “Liven” grooveboxes?

I don’t have one, and I’m not 100% sure they tick all of your requirement boxes (especially regarding the “lifetime storage”), but they can be found pretty cheap on Reverb.

Also, what about the Korg Volcas?

Things change as one of my frd with multiple Sonicware just told me their sequencers are quite different. I took a look and found the Mega Synthesis has a 128 patterns of 128 steps sequencer with 6 tracks 6(track 1-3)+4(track 4-5)+3(track 6 Sampler) max 13 Polyphony. This change the equation and make it a very budget and capable device that checked all my boxes

Nice lofi FMbox :-)

jklovemusic

@dendy said:

Indeed cheap and fun and night time friendly. I just little surprised their Liven series sequencers all have different spec.

Gavinski

@jklovemusic said:
@Gavinski feel better after a few days with blue light filtering glasses, not sure if thats placebo effect haha

OK, good to know!