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Unfiltered Audio Battalion Public Beta

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  • trickyflemmingtrickyflemming

    @craftycurate said:

    @trickyflemming said:
    A large beta update is up on Testflight:

    • If iCloud is enabled, an Unfiltered Audio Battalion folder will be created in your iCloud Drive to hold User Presets. The folder will likely not be visible until you save your first preset. Existing user presets should be copied over safely to the iCloud folder.
    • If iCloud is enabled, an Unfiltered Audio Sample Library folder will be create in your iCloud Drive to hold User Samples. This folder will likely not be visible until you manually import one sample. I will look for a way to fix that in the next build.
    • Even if iCloud isn't enabled, this build now supports importing presets to the User Sample Library. It is a hidden folder if iCloud is not enabled.
    • Battalion now supports background audio. It will continue generating sound if you switch windows.

    @craftycurate Thanks for the report. I'll look into that.

    Great thanks!

    I’ve saved a new patch with the two latest builds but not seeing any folder or patches appearing in iCloud Drive. I’ve looked for folders called “Battalion” and “UA Battalion” but not seeing anything.

    I’ve tried it in both standalone and AUv3 in AUM, and in app Settings iCloud is selected.

    iOS 17.7.6, iPad Pro 2017

    UPDATE: It does work for imported samples though.

    I thought I responded to this but it looks like I failed to. Has the folder shown up yet? If not, could you try restarting your iPad? After adding the folder, I had to restart my iPad to get it to appear for the first time.

  • GrandbearGrandbear

    @trickyflemming one feature request for the future: adding sustain to either envelope; the granular engine is really great for a bed of noise to lay a beat on top of

  • craftycuratecraftycurate

    @trickyflemming said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @trickyflemming said:
    A large beta update is up on Testflight:

    • If iCloud is enabled, an Unfiltered Audio Battalion folder will be created in your iCloud Drive to hold User Presets. The folder will likely not be visible until you save your first preset. Existing user presets should be copied over safely to the iCloud folder.
    • If iCloud is enabled, an Unfiltered Audio Sample Library folder will be create in your iCloud Drive to hold User Samples. This folder will likely not be visible until you manually import one sample. I will look for a way to fix that in the next build.
    • Even if iCloud isn't enabled, this build now supports importing presets to the User Sample Library. It is a hidden folder if iCloud is not enabled.
    • Battalion now supports background audio. It will continue generating sound if you switch windows.

    @craftycurate Thanks for the report. I'll look into that.

    Great thanks!

    I’ve saved a new patch with the two latest builds but not seeing any folder or patches appearing in iCloud Drive. I’ve looked for folders called “Battalion” and “UA Battalion” but not seeing anything.

    I’ve tried it in both standalone and AUv3 in AUM, and in app Settings iCloud is selected.

    iOS 17.7.6, iPad Pro 2017

    UPDATE: It does work for imported samples though.

    I thought I responded to this but it looks like I failed to. Has the folder shown up yet? If not, could you try restarting your iPad? After adding the folder, I had to restart my iPad to get it to appear for the first time.

    Hi ... I'm on the latest beta, so I'll try restarting my iPad.

    When you say "after adding the folder" - do you mean you added it manually, or after adding code to create the new folder?

    After first iPad restart, I tried saving a new patch, but no folder appeared. However, I was able to Export all my Presets to a ZIP file, as a backup, in case I need to remove and reinstall Battalion.

    Just restarted again, and still no Presets folder alongside the Samples one.

  • timeliningtimelining

    NOT A RELEASE POST

    From the dev over on Elektronauts, hopefully this will be released in the next week or two:

    https://www.elektronauts.com/t/unfiltered-audio-battalion-soft-drum-synth/211853/564

  • GrandbearGrandbear

    @timelining said:
    NOT A RELEASE POST

    From the dev over on Elektronauts, hopefully this will be released in the next week or two:

    https://www.elektronauts.com/t/unfiltered-audio-battalion-soft-drum-synth/211853/564

    But he just said the same a few posts before yours

  • timfromthebordertimfromtheborder

    Maybe you're not meant to do this, but if I try deleting a factory preset it says Unknown Error.

  • trickyflemmingtrickyflemming

    Hi everyone, we're preparing for a public release next week! After launch, we will switch over to patterns, MIDI Out, and the new sampler engines. A new build was just uploaded to TestFlight. It adds a large pile of new factory presets by mleuc and Useful Noise. Additionally, we have refactored iOS preset saving after discovering that presets saved on iOS using samples in the User Sample library (with iCloud) would not load correctly on desktop computers. Instead of requiring a desktop patch, we've patched it here. We still plan on launching a public beta for the desktop update next week as well.

  • offbrandsoffbrands

    @trickyflemming said:
    Hi everyone, we're preparing for a public release next week! After launch, we will switch over to patterns, MIDI Out, and the new sampler engines. A new build was just uploaded to TestFlight. It adds a large pile of new factory presets by mleuc and Useful Noise. Additionally, we have refactored iOS preset saving after discovering that presets saved on iOS using samples in the User Sample library (with iCloud) would not load correctly on desktop computers. Instead of requiring a desktop patch, we've patched it here. We still plan on launching a public beta for the desktop update next week as well.

    Thanks for the update! Stoked it’s all coming together

  • craftycuratecraftycurate

    @trickyflemming said:
    Hi everyone, we're preparing for a public release next week! After launch, we will switch over to patterns, MIDI Out, and the new sampler engines. A new build was just uploaded to TestFlight. It adds a large pile of new factory presets by mleuc and Useful Noise. Additionally, we have refactored iOS preset saving after discovering that presets saved on iOS using samples in the User Sample library (with iCloud) would not load correctly on desktop computers. Instead of requiring a desktop patch, we've patched it here. We still plan on launching a public beta for the desktop update next week as well.

    Look forward to it!

    A couple of questions:

    1. Could you say a bit more about the new sampler engines? Will any of the existing ones change or disappear, or are these new additions?
    2. Is iCloud preset saving intended to be working now or has this been removed as part of the preset system refactoring ?
  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @trickyflemming said:
    Hi everyone, we're preparing for a public release next week! After launch, we will switch over to patterns, MIDI Out, and the new sampler engines. A new build was just uploaded to TestFlight. It adds a large pile of new factory presets by mleuc and Useful Noise. Additionally, we have refactored iOS preset saving after discovering that presets saved on iOS using samples in the User Sample library (with iCloud) would not load correctly on desktop computers. Instead of requiring a desktop patch, we've patched it here. We still plan on launching a public beta for the desktop update next week as well.

    Awesome! Good luck with the launch. This is a very good thing you have done 👏

  • Mo13Mo13

    Can it be made possible to hide or delete the factory samples so randomisation only applies to the user ones?

  • Michael_R_GrantMichael_R_Grant

    Looking forward to the patterns implementation immensely! I'm sure you'll come up with a good solution for this.

  • EnvelopeFollowerEnvelopeFollower

    @trickyflemming said:
    Hey! I'm back from vacation and squishing the last few bugs. Hopefully we can release within the next week or so. Thank you everyone for your testing and reporting.

    @Kashi said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @EnvelopeFollower said:
    seems there is something going on pre-fader

    Yup, FX are prefader… Really sub-optimal. Needs an option for pre/post or post by default.

    Agreed

    Agreed! When I designed it, I thought "Hey, you can just turn the Send separately from the main level, no need to convolute with pre/post". However, a few weeks ago when I was using Battalion in a not-entirely-sober state, I grew frustrated with trying to figure out what drum was pinging my reverb. I'll add these in an update. Right now the current version is just about ready for release.

    so no fullscreen in the near future?

  • vlaoladisvlaoladis

    @trickyflemming said:
    Hi everyone, we're preparing for a public release next week! After launch, we will switch over to patterns, MIDI Out, and the new sampler engines. A new build was just uploaded to TestFlight. It adds a large pile of new factory presets by mleuc and Useful Noise. Additionally, we have refactored iOS preset saving after discovering that presets saved on iOS using samples in the User Sample library (with iCloud) would not load correctly on desktop computers. Instead of requiring a desktop patch, we've patched it here. We still plan on launching a public beta for the desktop update next week as well.

    Hey super happy to hear that. Drum machines and groove boxes are usually not my kind of stuff, but this one is really super powerful yet pretty simple to understand.

    One thing I don’t understand is how to build a live workflow around it if I come up with multiple interchangeable patterns and would like to switch them automatically or on my commands. What would be the best idea here? Preset select buttons are pretty small and close to the randomization button, so it isn’t very convenient to use them. I saw an option to map specific preset to the midi channel in AUM or widget in Loopy Pro. But it needs to do a some reconfiguration after adding a new preset.

    How do live electronic professionals usually do this?

  • Michael_R_GrantMichael_R_Grant
    edited June 5

    @vlaoladis said:

    @trickyflemming said:
    Hi everyone, we're preparing for a public release next week! After launch, we will switch over to patterns, MIDI Out, and the new sampler engines. A new build was just uploaded to TestFlight. It adds a large pile of new factory presets by mleuc and Useful Noise. Additionally, we have refactored iOS preset saving after discovering that presets saved on iOS using samples in the User Sample library (with iCloud) would not load correctly on desktop computers. Instead of requiring a desktop patch, we've patched it here. We still plan on launching a public beta for the desktop update next week as well.

    Hey super happy to hear that. Drum machines and groove boxes are usually not my kind of stuff, but this one is really super powerful yet pretty simple to understand.

    One thing I don’t understand is how to build a live workflow around it if I come up with multiple interchangeable patterns and would like to switch them automatically or on my commands. What would be the best idea here? Preset select buttons are pretty small and close to the randomization button, so it isn’t very convenient to use them. I saw an option to map specific preset to the midi channel in AUM or widget in Loopy Pro. But it needs to do a some reconfiguration after adding a new preset.

    How do live electronic professionals usually do this?

    There are no patterns in the app at the moment, so presumably once this is implemented there will be a way to switch them easily live via touchscreen or via MIDI. (Example from other apps: a screen that has a 1-16 grid of pattern buttons for a particular template, and then you just tap on the number you want to switch patterns. And there are often 'switch instantly' and 'switch at end of current pattern' options in settings.)

  • EschatoneEschatone
    edited June 6

    Battalion’s random sound and pattern generation facilities are off the charts! The only thing I remember that even approached this is the old Seekbeats, which was an early iPad gem with deep, intricate drum synthesis engine and powerful random happy accident generation features. I’ve missed that app for a long time now, but its been superseded in every way.

  • MonkeyDrummerMonkeyDrummer

    @trickyflemming would it be possible to have the sequencers’s modulation lanes work and impact the sound if the notes are being sequenced elsewhere? For example, I could send in a sequence series of 16th notes that just trigger the kick drum sound but the pitch lane in the app sequencer would impact the actual pitch playing.

    I would just love to be able to take advantage of unequal link modulation lanes, but use an external drum machine to actually trigger the hits.

  • Robin2Robin2
    edited June 9

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

  • vlaoladisvlaoladis

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    @trickyflemming would it be possible to have the sequencers’s modulation lanes work and impact the sound if the notes are being sequenced elsewhere? For example, I could send in a sequence series of 16th notes that just trigger the kick drum sound but the pitch lane in the app sequencer would impact the actual pitch playing.

    I would just love to be able to take advantage of unequal link modulation lanes, but use an external drum machine to actually trigger the hits.

    Wow, that sounds like opening a whole new world pf possibilities :smile:

  • Robin2Robin2

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

  • vlaoladisvlaoladis

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

    I’m also running 18.5. Maybe reboot may help?

  • Robin2Robin2

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

    I’m also running 18.5. Maybe reboot may help?

    Thanks. Just tried it. I got it to work on MIDI channel 2 in AUM after the reboot, playing voice 1 chromatically, but as soon as i changed the MIDI channel, it didn’t work for any of the other voices. Can’t get it to work in any other hosts at all. Very odd.

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

    I’m also running 18.5. Maybe reboot may help?

    Thanks. Just tried it. I got it to work on MIDI channel 2 in AUM after the reboot, playing voice 1 chromatically, but as soon as i changed the MIDI channel, it didn’t work for any of the other voices. Can’t get it to work in any other hosts at all. Very odd.

    Just tried on a different device. Can’t get it to work on that either. No doubt I’m doing something wrong but, @trickyflemming, might be worth just checking in as many hosts as possible that it’s working as expected because i, for one, just can’t get it to respond to MIDI channels other than 1 in any host other than AUM. And in AUM it responds to an initial MIDI channel set (not channel 1) but then won’t respond to any MIDI channel changes thereafter.

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

    I’m also running 18.5. Maybe reboot may help?

    Thanks. Just tried it. I got it to work on MIDI channel 2 in AUM after the reboot, playing voice 1 chromatically, but as soon as i changed the MIDI channel, it didn’t work for any of the other voices. Can’t get it to work in any other hosts at all. Very odd.

    Just tried on a different device. Can’t get it to work on that either. No doubt I’m doing something wrong but, @trickyflemming, might be worth just checking in as many hosts as possible that it’s working as expected because i, for one, just can’t get it to respond to MIDI channels other than 1 in any host other than AUM. And in AUM it responds to an initial MIDI channel set (not channel 1) but then won’t respond to any MIDI channel changes thereafter.

    Okay, i can get it to work correctly in hosts when i use KB-1 keyboard app loaded as a MIDI AU. Maybe i just don’t know how to set things up properly when using internal keyboards!

  • vlaoladisvlaoladis

    @Robin2 said:

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    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

    I’m also running 18.5. Maybe reboot may help?

    Thanks. Just tried it. I got it to work on MIDI channel 2 in AUM after the reboot, playing voice 1 chromatically, but as soon as i changed the MIDI channel, it didn’t work for any of the other voices. Can’t get it to work in any other hosts at all. Very odd.

    Just tried on a different device. Can’t get it to work on that either. No doubt I’m doing something wrong but, @trickyflemming, might be worth just checking in as many hosts as possible that it’s working as expected because i, for one, just can’t get it to respond to MIDI channels other than 1 in any host other than AUM. And in AUM it responds to an initial MIDI channel set (not channel 1) but then won’t respond to any MIDI channel changes thereafter.

    Okay, i can get it to work correctly in hosts when i use KB-1 keyboard app loaded as a MIDI AU. Maybe i just don’t know how to set things up properly when using internal keyboards!

    Additionally to the AUM case that I described previously I tried my Keystep keyboard + LoopyPro, and it worked again

  • Robin2Robin2

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

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    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

    I’m also running 18.5. Maybe reboot may help?

    Thanks. Just tried it. I got it to work on MIDI channel 2 in AUM after the reboot, playing voice 1 chromatically, but as soon as i changed the MIDI channel, it didn’t work for any of the other voices. Can’t get it to work in any other hosts at all. Very odd.

    Just tried on a different device. Can’t get it to work on that either. No doubt I’m doing something wrong but, @trickyflemming, might be worth just checking in as many hosts as possible that it’s working as expected because i, for one, just can’t get it to respond to MIDI channels other than 1 in any host other than AUM. And in AUM it responds to an initial MIDI channel set (not channel 1) but then won’t respond to any MIDI channel changes thereafter.

    Okay, i can get it to work correctly in hosts when i use KB-1 keyboard app loaded as a MIDI AU. Maybe i just don’t know how to set things up properly when using internal keyboards!

    Additionally to the AUM case that I described previously I tried my Keystep keyboard + LoopyPro, and it worked again

    Cool, it’s obviously something I’m doing wrong in the setup then…I’m not that great with MIDI setups! Thanks again for checking @vlaoladis.

    As i said, I’ve got it working via KB-1 now but I’m finding trying to change presets via channel 11 (see below if you weren’t aware of the channel 10 and 11 functions) causes all sorts of craziness within Battalion - maybe see if that works for you just in case it’s a bug which needs reporting.

  • vlaoladisvlaoladis

    @Robin2 said:

    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

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    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

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    @vlaoladis said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @trickyflemming @amusesmile Obviously i realise that this is not it’s designed for use, but I’m wondering whether Battalion can be routed so that the sounds designed can be played chromatically via incoming MIDI?

    I realise that they can be used melodically via the pitch automation in the sequencer but there are some really lovely physical modelling type synth engines there which could easily be used like a ‘regular’ synth as a bonus feature if it were possible.

    Is such routing possible or can MIDI only trigger the different individual voices in a one shot way?

    Separate thought i had while testing the app: i know it might not be the most stylish visually but i wonder whether one of the colour options should be such that the different voices have their own specific colours and when a particular voice is selected, all of the voice-specific controls shown onscreen also change colour to reflect the colour of the selected voice? Not the prettiest, agreed, but might be useful to keep on top of what voice you’re working on at any given point. Just suggesting it could be a selectable option within the colour settings? Cheers.

    MIDI can be used to play every channel chromatically. Check the MIDI implementation guide in the manual. Essentially, MIDI Channel 1 is used for all voices, but Channels 2-9 are chromatic inputs for each voice.

    I’m sure i got this working okay in the past but i can’t get channels 2-9 to work chromatically in the latest beta. Probably just me forgetting how to set it up properly but might be worth checking by others with release being so close? @trickyflemming?

    I’ve tried on v1.1.2 build 3 right now. And it worked out of the box. I just loaded it as AUM instrument, opened AUM onscreen keyboard and selected different channels there

    Weird, that’s one of the things i tried but it didn’t work. I’ll try again. Thanks for checking.

    @vlaoladis Super weird, not working for me with the same setup. The only thing that’s changed at my end since i had it working in the past was a system update - I’m now running iPsdOS 18.5.

    I’m also running 18.5. Maybe reboot may help?

    Thanks. Just tried it. I got it to work on MIDI channel 2 in AUM after the reboot, playing voice 1 chromatically, but as soon as i changed the MIDI channel, it didn’t work for any of the other voices. Can’t get it to work in any other hosts at all. Very odd.

    Just tried on a different device. Can’t get it to work on that either. No doubt I’m doing something wrong but, @trickyflemming, might be worth just checking in as many hosts as possible that it’s working as expected because i, for one, just can’t get it to respond to MIDI channels other than 1 in any host other than AUM. And in AUM it responds to an initial MIDI channel set (not channel 1) but then won’t respond to any MIDI channel changes thereafter.

    Okay, i can get it to work correctly in hosts when i use KB-1 keyboard app loaded as a MIDI AU. Maybe i just don’t know how to set things up properly when using internal keyboards!

    Additionally to the AUM case that I described previously I tried my Keystep keyboard + LoopyPro, and it worked again

    Cool, it’s obviously something I’m doing wrong in the setup then…I’m not that great with MIDI setups! Thanks again for checking @vlaoladis.

    As i said, I’ve got it working via KB-1 now but I’m finding trying to change presets via channel 11 (see below if you weren’t aware of the channel 10 and 11 functions) causes all sorts of craziness within Battalion - maybe see if that works for you just in case it’s a bug which needs reporting.

    Ok, indeed I only checked chromatic channels. Channel 11 commands (preset changing and randomization) indeed makes it crazy and crashes at the end. It looks like it starts infinite scrolling across presets. Bug definitely :)

    And thank you, I didn’t notice these features of a channel 11. And it actually would kinda solve the lack of “patterns” for me - I can justify create a folder with the whole progression and switch through it via midi. Of course when the bug is fixed ;)

  • trickyflemmingtrickyflemming

    Dang! I'll look at Channel 11. I'm wondering if the DAW that's hosting it can't keep up somehow, since it's a lot of parameter changes at once.

    We've decided that we're going to hold off on releasing the iPhone version for now. I originally wanted to include it as kind of a "free bonus" where the iPad version is the real version, and the iPhone version is around for when you want to open projects on the go, but it really is just a pain to use. If the iPad version ends up doing well, it would be worth it for us to create a separate iPhone-optimized interface.

    We're submitting the iPad version this week. I wanted to submit last week, but I hit a thousand paper cuts with the various App Store requirements, resolutions, etc. A lot of the stuff has changed since my last round of uploads, which I only found out after making all the store material. Ah well.

  • vlaoladisvlaoladis
    edited June 10

    @trickyflemming said:
    Dang! I'll look at Channel 11. I'm wondering if the DAW that's hosting it can't keep up somehow, since it's a lot of parameter changes at once.

    We've decided that we're going to hold off on releasing the iPhone version for now. I originally wanted to include it as kind of a "free bonus" where the iPad version is the real version, and the iPhone version is around for when you want to open projects on the go, but it really is just a pain to use. If the iPad version ends up doing well, it would be worth it for us to create a separate iPhone-optimized interface.

    We're submitting the iPad version this week. I wanted to submit last week, but I hit a thousand paper cuts with the various App Store requirements, resolutions, etc. A lot of the stuff has changed since my last round of uploads, which I only found out after making all the store material. Ah well.

    Don’t worry, I guess there are a lot of people on this forum that are developers and can relate (I’m also under a hard release pressure rn for example :smiley: )

    If it helps, I tried midi ch11 bug in two cases

    • loopy pro + ui buttons sending midi notes. Immediate crash
    • AUM + external midi keyboard. Not crashing but very fast infinite preset scroll.
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