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Hi guys, my new app is live: SoundPrism Electro (now in a Bundle with SP Pro)

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  • @Paulinko said:

    @Sebastian MIDI Issues: in your help section it talks about the benefits of having a standard midi output so there will be no issues with misconfiguration. Unfortunately iOS has several different flavors of midi implementation out there and not having the ability to adjust midi output is more problematic than going through midi setup. As it is now, you can't even turn midi off so if you're trying to play another app with a midi sequencer and it doesn't allow you to specify which virtual midi channel it listens too, you're screwed. How about an option for standard setup and custom setups for people who want the flexibility to route the midi to get the workflow they want?

    I do like the idea of the various sounds in the app designed to go together and it explains why there aren't tons of different sounds in the app.

    The help section is good and in small bite size chunks. In cadences, you use the term, "swish", I'm thinking, "swipe" would be more appropriate.

    Great suggestions! We'll think about how to solve that MIDI configuration stuff in an elegant way. Maybe there's no way to get around a settings menu for this.

  • edited December 2014

    @Sebastian It'd even be nice to have midi in so you can have sound coming out from SP Electro so you can make adjustments in another app (effects for example). Guitarism has a little riff player that works well for this too.

  • Bought this (of course!) and was initially puzzled that the preset list was so small. I do love playing Thor (particularly) through SoundPrism Pro, but find Electro far more limited. I am pretty sure this is my own immediate lack of understanding. Would be useful to have a clearer 'check list' of what Electro brings to the table compared to 'Pro', but can understand you may not choose to do so....

  • Can you mute the internal sounds? I was trying to play Korg Module's piano through Virtual MIDI earlier and was getting the SP Electro sounds over the top.

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:

    Can you mute the internal sounds? I was trying to play Korg Module's piano through Virtual MIDI earlier and was getting the SP Electro sounds over the top.

    You can turn down the sound engine using the volume slider in the top right.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    Bought this (of course!) and was initially puzzled that the preset list was so small. I do love playing Thor (particularly) through SoundPrism Pro, but find Electro far more limited. I am pretty sure this is my own immediate lack of understanding. Would be useful to have a clearer 'check list' of what Electro brings to the table compared to 'Pro', but can understand you may not choose to do so....

    It's a new app with different sounds and different input schemes. I don't mind explaining it and I'd also like to know how many presets you'd find acceptable for that price.

  • Congrats @Sebastian, @o_imseng, Audanika, et al.

  • Being able to configure whether bass, chords, or melody parts are effected by the filter slider as well as midi output would be great.

  • edited December 2014

    @Sebastian said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    Bought this (of course!) and was initially puzzled that the preset list was so small. I do love playing Thor (particularly) through SoundPrism Pro, but find Electro far more limited. I am pretty sure this is my own immediate lack of understanding. Would be useful to have a clearer 'check list' of what Electro brings to the table compared to 'Pro', but can understand you may not choose to do so....

    It's a new app with different sounds and different input schemes. I don't mind explaining it and I'd also like to know how many presets you'd find acceptable for that price.

    Two things:

    -As regards I don't mind explaining it.... With a few notable exceptions (me :) this forum is full of experienced and savvy iOs users, but is, as you know, only a very small portion of your market which is made up, for the most part, by an infinite number of less savvy (like me :) folks. I can see from a marketing point of view a central question is: will folks IN THE FUTURE buy Electro AND Pro; is one a gateway to the other (2 sales) or not? This would lead to needing to delineate differences. If not, then not :)

    I presume, as with so many other aspects of design, that you have been through the pros and cons of marketing a million times already on this matter. My intention, strictly within the limited confines of the forum, was to indicate my lack of clarity between your products. Make of it what you will. It's not a criticism, consider it more as feedback that may or may not be useful.

    -As regards I'd also like to know how many presets you'd find acceptable for that price... As a long-time user of 'Pro' and as someone who has bought all the extra packs of presets for that version, I was just -again- letting you have one man's initial response to this new product and it's contents.

    Good luck with the roll out....

  • @JohnnyGoodyear:

    My initial response might have sounded a little harsh but that's not how it was meant. I really would like to know - especially since you're a SP Pro user - how many presets you'd be happy with for that price.

    SoundPrism Electro isn't a gateway to Pro and vice versa. They're independent apps with different capabilities. We're releasing Electro because we couldn't possibly have implemented all of the changes we wanted in SoundPrism Pro without making significant changes to the interface and underlying sound engine. The way we see it different input methords (ribbon controller, pitch selections, sound engine) make Electro quite different from Pro.

  • @Paulinko said:

    Being able to configure whether bass, chords, or melody parts are effected by the filter slider as well as midi output would be great.

    some great ideas

  • edited December 2014

    @Sebastian said:

    SoundPrism Electro isn't a gateway to Pro and vice versa. They're independent apps with different capabilities.

    While most of us get that on here, I think you might have a hard job convincing existing customers out there that the app is radically different, particularly if like me they've just bought the Pro version.

    Personally I like, and want the new features, and for £2.99 don't mind paying for them, so this isn't me being grumpy again. What I don't understand though is why you said you've stopped developing the Pro version which is still on sale, and that you'll only be bug fixing from now on. If they're completely independent products, then surely they both warrant the same level of continued development?

    All academic as I won't be updating to iOS8 any time soon so I can't run it anyway lol.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @o_imseng said:

    Hey there,
    the swiss dude signing in.

    Please also feedback on the sounds itself. What do you like, what inspires you, what sounds would you like to see coming to ios ? :-)

    Soundprism Electro has been such a great journey so far. I am so anxious to see and hear what you will create with it.

    Thanks for your support and comments!

    Hi mr. soundman :) I haven't gotten a chance to use the app yet, but I'd like to mention some thoughts because I've always been struck by how you guys take sound prisms , development so seriously, it really comes through. I've already given Sebastian my wishes for the theme of a theory based midi controller that I'm sorely missing and like wise when it comes to sounds I think there is a big hole out there for organic sounds, you know stuff that sounds like bloom, with basses and leads and plucked sounds that go with that kind of vibe. jewish harps and thumb kalimbas etc… instruments that are very warm. It would be nice to have a nice heavy set of these kinds of organic sounds in one place matched up with you guys killer workflow. I make basically instrumental hiphop and these are the kinds of sounds that you can really tell a story with as well as really lend themselves well to being manipulated and mangled.

    Thank you very much for your feedback. We tried to design the sounds so they fit together nicely and can be interchanged in a way that each sound combination is unique but still fitting as a whole.

    Also they should layer nicely with other synth sounds on IOS. My goal was to ultimately use both aspects of this app in my music at the same time: The sounds and the playsbility of them extended to other apps.

    I think Sebastian and Gabriel did a wonderful job of creating this wonderful experience. I say this as a musician and user who has since then never ever switched on his 61 key semi weighted midi keyboard again.

  • @Sebastian said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear:

    My initial response might have sounded a little harsh but that's not how it was meant. I really would like to know - especially since you're a SP Pro user - how many presets you'd be happy with for that price.

    SoundPrism Electro isn't a gateway to Pro and vice versa. They're independent apps with different capabilities. We're releasing Electro because we couldn't possibly have implemented all of the changes we wanted in SoundPrism Pro without making significant changes to the interface and underlying sound engine. The way we see it different input methords (ribbon controller, pitch selections, sound engine) make Electro quite different from Pro.

    No worries on harsh :) I run a business most days and I know harsh, this is purely an area of pleasure for me....you are the bacon; I am the egg....

    My feeling that I probably wasn't getting the scope or reach of this app compared to Pro was prompted by the relatively limited sound sample set. It led me to feeling that, along with a ribbon controller etc, this was the 'old' Sound Prism with some more dance style sounds. That this assumption is probably one you would react strongly against is understandable, but it's imperative (however misguided they are ) that developers understand the areas of their users' blindness :)

    Or not.

    All good. Blow our minds with Electro. Make a video that shows those of us who don't initially get it what we're getting and what we're missing if we don't get it :)

    Or not.

    If you don't tell users what to think (or help them to understand what to think) they will come up with their own explanations or assumptions, especially for their own inabilities....

    As for presets, and on a second's more mature reflection, as long as I can play Thor through it without anything else getting in the way, I should be happy.

  • I really am enjoying the ability to control other synths with the ribbon controller in SP Electro. Running BitWiz and Thor with a wobble bass is great. It'd be nice to have the ribbon controller be able to jump rather than only be limited to dragging. FYI the cc 74 from SP Electro is sent even when you don't play any notes in it (which you may or may not want). Once again perhaps a default setting and advanced settings would be useful for this app.

  • This thing is awesome, the sound coming from its internal synth are very rich and worth the price alone. I am glad I purchased this, keep em comming, oh yeah and thanks!

  • Ok my mistake. I read it but than forgot its only iOS 8. So take it as an invest ;-) Doesn't looks like I will ever update to iOS 8. To much still not working. Never seen such a brute brake on an OS update. And next problem is, developers are making new apps only for iOS8. So difficult to make a new one working in both?

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    All good. Blow our minds with Electro. Make a video that shows those of us who don't initially get it what we're getting and what we're missing if we don't get it :)

    What blows one's mind is obviously subjective but @o_imseng already made a nice track with it:

  • @telecharge said:

    Congrats @Sebastian, @o_imseng, Audanika, et al.

    ^ That—big congrats to you all.

    PS. Sign me up for the 'beefed up MIDI only version' please!

  • Looks great! I will have to pass (for now) because my iPad is iOS7, but I'm sure I will check it out after I upgrade. Congrats on your release, you guys make outstanding apps.

  • Dang it... I own and love SP Pro, and would love to buy SP Electro, except:

    • My iPad Air will not be going to iOS 8.x anytime soon
    • My iPhone 6+ is not supported

    Part of the reason why I upgraded to the iPhone 6+ was the feeling that finally I would have a reasonably sized device to play music apps on and enough horsepower to enable real workflows. But sadly, I've discovered the trend is to release only iPad apps when it comes to music making (with notable exceptions of course). As I write this, I remember reading this lament before on this very forum, but now it's becoming crystal clear to me.

  • We're working on an iPhone version, including custom interfaces for the iPhone 6+, not just a scaled up version.

  • Looking forward to an iphone version and I'm glad you're considering a different UI for it. My ever present 2 cents: I always feel like accelerometer control on the iPad is awkward but very natural (when done well) on iPhone. I'd be fine with losing that left side control strip and just using the accelerometer.

  • The control strip on the left side is AWESOME to use with one thumb. That's why we made one tap mode in Electro, so you can use the other thumb to control bass, melody and chords and have.

    But accelerometer control is super fun too, maybe we'll map another function on it or ... who knows. We'll probably do something with it, we just haven't decided on what yet.

  • Just to clarify: the iPhone version will not have a radically different design. it'll still look like soundprism, but it'll probably have a few less features but and some additional other ones that only make sense on an iphone.

  • I've just got this and love it despite not being too sold on electro sounds in general. I have no truck or difficulty with seeing this as a completely different app to SoundPrism Pro which I also have. I am very happy to pay £3-£7 for future sound packs BUT not really keen on having to download a series of similar/identical SoundPrism apps each time just to get different sound packs in future, rather tham just purchasing IAPs - or am I interpreting the developer's model wrongly?

  • edited December 2014

    @Jomodu said:

    I've just got this and love it despite not being too sold on electro sounds in general. I have no truck or difficulty with seeing this as a completely different app to SoundPrism Pro which I also have. I am very happy to pay £3-£7 for future sound packs BUT not really keen on having to download a series of similar/identical SoundPrism apps each time just to get different sound packs in future, rather tham just purchasing IAPs - or am I interpreting the developer's model wrongly?

    No, you got it right. We're not too keen on IAPs because a) they're frowned upon by some users and b) they're always a bit awkward to implement. Also c) one can't use app bundles with IAPs, which is a pretty big plus for making apps instead. Then there's the problem of not being able to make a new interface for an app without getting rid of som legacy features that some users like.

    Long story short: there are a few reasons for IAPs and a lot more reasons for not doing IAPs when they can be avoided. We've done IAPs with previous SoundPrism apps and we're going to go another route this time after thinking hard about it and discussing it over the course of the last few years.

  • Sebastian, that's great news about the upcoming iphone version(s). And from my point of view, if a large amount of redesign has to go into making the best use of available space on each differently sized device, I totally understand the need to charge for each different version. I like to think of myself as a reasonable whiner :)

    Looking forward to playing with this!

  • Sorry to reply so late in the day: @Sebastian of course you can quote my praise of this killer app. To those of you that haven't bought it yet; REALLY? This app makes your IPad the instrument instead of having just sounds to play through your MIDI keyboard (similar to Thumbjam type awesomeness). The playability is NOT the same as SoundPrism and it does stuff that Prism regular is not made for. Seeing this app brings me back to the excitement I had when SoundPrism, ThumbJam, Bebot, and apps like that were brand new. It is a welcome change from the trend of apps trying to make conventional Synths and Effects shiny and new. Yes I had to be IOS8 to use it, and I lost some apps in doing so, but I needed to shake off the dust anyway, and Electro helps me update my game. Sorry for the enthusiasm, but I like this app!

  • edited December 2014

    The tutorial is the best I've seen in an iPad app. Having the small sections so its easy to go back to relearn something is great.

    EDIT: Aw, I see the tutorials from Pitch Class on are still works in progress, never mind the following comment.
    The Pitch Class section of the tutorial was confused by my change to "Eb" prior to running it. The "changing the key" section worked fine starting in "Eb", but the the "Pitch Class" section thought it was in "D" and both named the pitch class wrong and drew the boxes around the notes wrong.

    I am more of a classical music and classical rock guy and am no expert on Electronic music (or the terms), I am trying to learn more though, mainly thnks to what I've seen on this forum and a recent addiction to Gadget. I am a huge fan of iPad based instruments and a deep iPad user. To me this is simply another instrument to learn and see if I enjoy playing.

    To be honest my first reaction to the number of presets was "WTF, What a ripoff!". However after listening to all the sounds, its not a bad deal for this quality of sounds. Not sure the average user will get this. Personally I prefer 3 usable sounds to the 100 useless ones you get in some apps. Whether or not I can fit these sounds into what I usually play is TBD.

    I can see a bunch of reviews with "Three presets! Are you kidding me?" type reviews. Its made worse by the fact that there is no way to change the sounds. Not in usability, but for those that would do these type of reviews. Yes, I know its 27 combinations, but you see 3 when you open the presets panel.

    Originally I was thinking that this app was stuck in-between the "great sounds" apps and the "iPad MIDI instrument" apps. Primarily based on the earlier posts in this thread about the lack of a MIDI setup. After going through the MIDI tutorial I can see your point on keeping it simple. This looks to be enough for the things I do, have to use it a bit to see. If I ever started using this live I'd definitely want a MIDI setup as well, too many other apps already stuck on those channels.

    I am so glad I am retired and not trying to work up a business model for an iPad app.

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