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2015 Appstore price increases in EU?
details here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/11317337/Apples-new-iTunes-policy.html
http://discchord.com/blog/2014/12/31/european-socialism-destroys-itunes-tomorrow.html
It seems that EU customers will however be entitled to cancel/return unwanted purchases within 14 days.
Happy new year.
Comments
That's terrible and will result in fewer sales which will hurt app development.
As spanish customer, I have to say two things:
1.- The price is composed with several parts: in this case, simplifying, the apps itself + VAT. Until now, in Spain, when I bought an app, I payed to Apple, and Apple make cash in Luxembourg or Ireland, or wherever its benefits are the highests possible. Last year, Apple sold millions of € in apps (only Spain), and get a refund because send their sales to Luxembourg (or Ireland), while the physscal stores, workers, etc. in Spain counts "as a cost", so the final balance was negative for Apple (sic). This change try to fix that in any way. Amazon and companies like that will be the next.
2.- Adding the real VAT of every country, yes, you pay that VAT, but in the same way when you purchase the iPad itself, one pen or anything else (except the products with low VAT, like bread, milt, etc.). So is a tax for finance the costs of every country (health, education, etc).
Yoy can be agreed or not (be sure I don't like pay more), but the previous way was ridiculous and unfair.
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A price hike of around a fifth will simply mean I buy fewer apps. Depressing news. The only beneficiaries will be the government who'll just pass on the spoils to their rich chums.
As a customer from Italy, I say FUCK IT, since our greedy corrupt politicians get enough cash as it is. Paying taxes is good if it actually helps your country. Here, it doesn't happen.
Same feelings here, @bixnood, but that's a different question.
If I pay 21% VAT when I buy one printer, I feel is logical pay 21% when I buy an app.
And yes, this fact will force me to buy less apps...
Great news..... i love to pay taxes.... i also loved to get a letter ONE day before christmas that i get less money starting 2015..... f.....
I really dislike the whole app store system last time (and iOS 8 and my iPad Air.... but still really like my iPhone 5 for music and everything else) because of all this freemium shit and a few other things. Now this.....
14 days trial and turn back without reason? I see bad times coming to developers on iOS. Would be better with just demo versions to trial and the developers can choose when they expire etc. Indeed, refunds are still an old thing (within 90 days). I used it 3 times and they gave me my money back without questions if you know how. I'm sure if you do this too often it will be not so easy.
Oh.... happy new f....... year 2015!
To be honest I didn't realise we weren't paying the full VAT rate - it applies when you buy stuff from the Apple online store so I assumed it was the same for the App Store. Think I'll buy a few apps tonight before the prices go up.
Looking on the bright side at least we will be paying our taxes to our own governments not the Luxembourg government (who are having to raise their general VAT rate to offset the shortfall)
I'd be happy to pay another 20% on all apps in order to have the right to return them without question. I'm pretty sure I'd actually save money.
@syrupcore said:
I think that procedure will become very popular. I'm too honest for my own good though - I don't even return apps that don't work IMPCPROperly. If I'd asked for refunds on buggy or glitchy apps i'd probably have returned at least a third of my purchases. So yeah - costs go up by a fifth, but I save a third. Oh alright then you've talked me into it.
A lot of good points! I'm sorry if this topic lacked seasonal cheer!
I think @fjcblanco summed this situation up extremely well.
imo, the old system was dubious to say the least.
@monzo I guess there might be an EU sales peak tonight!
@syrupcore I would agree with that statement.
@Cinebient I have had a similar experience with an App that wouldn't run in a usable way on my device and received a full refund. Timed Demos to check for compatibility issues would be a great idea.
happy new year, etc.
Not that I'm not sympathetic to our EU brethren in regards to the VAT, but is the return policy limited to the EU?
@funjunkie27 yes.
Surprised Apple hasn't bought their own island in an attempt to escape tax laws yet.
Thks @syrupcore.
@monzo said:
I hear you. I can be a total boy scout about these sorts of things (not to mention lazy). But, were I in the EU, I think I'd reconsider—the 'right to return' automatically is what you're paying for with the 20% surcharge. I wouldn't use it to be a dick (grab samples and return) but I would absolutely use it to test out a $10-$50 app to see if it actually works for me. If it doesn't, return it; no harm no foul.
@CalCutta said:
If it's true that Luxembourg is going to raise their own VAT due to this change then I would say, in some sense at least, they have.
I think this is great news overall....and could lead to the following....
• Less Apps released buggy (iMPC Pro) to avoid returns.
• More sales due to no quibble App returns (a greater perceived freedom).
• A more refined App collection.
• British economy surges due to Appaholics across the UK!
@syrupcore said:
hehe Apple wasn't the first to use Luxembourg (or Lichtenstein, for that matter) as a tax haven.
And if I'm reading this correctly, Luxembourg raising their VAT is a result of Apple not being allowed to use Luxembourg as a tax haven. So Luxembourg (I don't think I've ever said or typed out that word so many times in my life, and I like the Schleck brothers!) is doing this to try to generate income they will otherwise lose from Apple.
That's what I meant actually. If a sovereign government changes its tax law based on a move from your company (in this case, a reduction of revenue from Apple), you at least kinda own it!
@DaveMagoo said:
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Not with this corrupt bunch of lizards it won't, it'll go straight into the coffers if the rich. 'Quantitive easing' I think they call it.
The people who stand to lose most out of this are developers - EU purchasers will recoup the extra expense with the odd return, Apple still get their share, governments get theirs, developers make fewer sales. They have less income so either cut back on development or put their prices up. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
I predict it will not impact total sales at all and in 6 months no one will even notice it.
Companies using countries with low taxes for their offices are cheating the system and robbing the regular citizen like you and I. Call me naive or idealistic but the tax we pay at least in part will benefit the common man. Yes it's true that the distribution of wealth is hugely out of balance but you can be sure that the less tax is paid by corporations the less money there will be in country's budget for whatever it is needed. Even if many of them are crooks we need to stop seeing governments as them vs us. It is mainly corporations like Apple, Amazon, Starbucks and others that screw us over and our governments are too weak (or corrupted) to oppose it. The fact that some governments choose to topple regimes in some countries (curtesy of the tax payer) to 'stabilize' regions for economical gains is another story.
I agree with Dom.
I also think it should have been this way all along......the returns thing is a Brucey Bonus
I'm with Dom too. I only hope the US and other countries figure out ways to get Apple to stop cheating. As if they don't make enough in profits to play fair.
Don't seem to have gone up in the UK yet...
Thank you for all this. I still have to think about it.
Two questions, though:
What defines your country? The App Store you're in? If I buy an app from one store will I be able to get the return from another store? Or if I go from the (say) UK to Russia I still have to contact the UK gentlemans? Sorry if this is confusing.
Who or what defines the app price? The developers and the developers only?
I think your country is the country you register your Apple ID. Some aren't no worldwide to purchase them.
I had to contact Apple and the dev to purchase Physynth through my spanish account, for example.
In the other hand, the 14 days refund, the 2 years warranty (another difference with another countries) is extensive to almost every article.
Another thing I find ridiculous is the price X,89€...X,99€ when iTunes cards are 10€, 20€...some money will rest in the Apple limbo cash forever...
@fjcblanco said:
I've got mine linked to my bank account, so I'm not stuck with 'left over' amounts
Funny. Perhaps it's because I am (somewhat) a man without a state/country, I read this thread and realize in some ways I could be said to define myself by my app store, more than my nationality. You have yours (EU) and I have mine (US), even though I am European. I am constricted or constrained by the laws here and while I don't wish to pay more money (who does), I do in theory approve of appropriate taxation (those with more contribute more to social services to help those with less), but I also like the idea of being able to return products which I have misunderstood or have been misled about (intentionally or otherwise).
Taxation aside, this last issue seems as though it should be a fundamental consumer right and having a system that is run, via the App Store, in two different ways seems/feels unsustainable. We shall see.
The whole subject and its wider implications is a hard one to address in less than, say, 5,000 words and is potentially a combustible one as well. I appreciate -as ever- that none of the posters here have simply lit the blue touch paper of their own political prejudice and retired to watch the conflagration.