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@supadom said:
This is a very wise opinion. Completely agree. Especially the point about not seeing governments as them v us. That just opens the door for extremists to exploit. It's a rather depressing trend at the moment in the UK.
In imo this is going to start a wave of people using cracked apps, one of the reasons why ios apps got popular was because of the current pricing system.
Bloody gypsy minstreling wanderers why don't you all just go back to your own countries!
Sarc etc...
I haven't got a problem with paying tax, it's the way the UK government mishandles it that concerns me. Unlikely that any increased revenue will find it's way to the people that need or deserve it. And then of course there are all the loopholes and stuff that should be taxed that isn't - super yacht sales etc., and private schools for example, despite being huge money making business, are classed as 'charities' (lol) and pay zero tax. Keep the rich in the manner they demand while everyone else has to pay the full whack.
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
Erm, please ignore the above rant then...though it's less political prejudice, more depressing observation.
Thought you were smart when you took them on
But you didn't take a peep in their artillery room
All that rugby puts hairs on your chest
What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?
(Eton Rifles - The Jam)
I've just been emailed an iTunes receipt for a couple of IAPs I purchased over Xmas. The receipt is dated 01/01/2015 and states (for the first time) that the prices are inclusive of VAT at 15% however, the total charge is still what I was expecting to pay (ie what the App Store said they would cost when I made the purchases last year).
So either the UK App Store prices have always included VAT (I actually thought that was the case) or the mention of VAT is now being added by default to receipts generated after the new year but hasn't made a difference to mine because the purchases were made last year.
Or maybe something else. Economics and maths were always my three worst subjects.
No apparent changes to prices in UK, at least yet.
An interesting paragraph (uk TOS):
"You cannot cancel your order for the supply of digital content if the delivery has started upon your request and acknowledgement that you thereby lose your cancellation right."
Guess this covers movie rentals and songs? Anyway, a welcome development that apps can be refunded. Some things like games/one-off apps will be hit hard if this ends up being abused.
The vat thing is good even if it only changes this silly perception that apps cost 0.99.
Apple pay seems to be lurking some where, patiently.
I worry for developers of more 'one off' or niche apps.
For example I think there's a learn Animoog tutorial app. You could buy that, go through it and then return it.
Or a particular FX you need just for one track.
I also know that many apps I've bought I only see the value of many months later when I return to them and have another go. For example Hokusai which I hated a year ago but have redicovered this week and now rather like (has it been updated?)
It all seems a little open to abuse if it's extremely easy to get your money back. Many apps are just a set amount of fun or learning for a few hours and after that don't have much value.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 I hear you. For the record Hokusai was updated way back in, erm, December
And seems to work well enough now. I too pulled it out and found it much easier/better than it was.
Still an odd little thing and I can see why others encouraged me to use Twisted Wave, which wasn't cheap but does some nice things. Of course then AS has been updated and there are fewer times when one just wants to hack something out of the middle rather than simply trim, but still.........I like Hokusai and while I don't worry for its developer, Wooji Juice, I'm sure there will be some smaller code-monkey outfits who will fear the consequences you outline or even suffer them....
The whole app world seems backwards to me. Is there any less work to create a decent synth app for iOS than for Windows? Yet the apps are priced somewhere in the weeds while a solid VST can approach hardware prices.
Should big corporations be paying appropriate taxes? Hell yes. But equally, it is unrealistic to expect them not to devise strategies to exploit loopholes. Its how governments respond once the loopholes are revealed that is most significant. Do they close the loopholes? Or do they bow to corporate pressure and turn a blind eye? For many years it was the latter, but more recently, the tide seems to be turning.
@xen said:
Different market. iOS apps sell in larger volumes, and since it's not a physical product it can be priced lower. Plus some companies port a version of an existing desktop product so aren't starting from scratch. The app developers I occasionally work with are doing very well out of it, though how they'll fare under the new regs remains to be seen.
Still can't see a price hike here yet in the UK store.
Yep, no price hike yet. Maybe they're waiting till Monday and Apple are absorbing the extra VAT hit in the meantime. If prices still haven't changed after Monday, then it will be very strange!
Strangely I can't buy Korg Module right now in the UK. It's showing the discount price - but then when I go to buy it says this item is currentky being updated.
You're probably going to loose the discount price. Those sales were supposed to have ended in December 31 so...
Because of the return policy, developers may get some benefits from fewer of those hastily written App Store reviews.
@supanorton said:
That'd be nice for sure.
Still no price changes on UK app store as of yet.
However, I had to agree to a new set of T&C.
Seems to confirm the new (?) local VAT charges and also the right of cancellation (for better or worse). Sorry for the offensive block text.
@syrupcore said:
Wonder what would happen if you wrote a critical review then got a refund?
Just agreed to the new T&Cs in the UK.
Seems pretty clear. You can get a refund within 14 days without giving a reason. Only exception seems to be on 'digital content' (I assume movies etc) where you've already watched them and you've waived your right to a refund.
Any ideas when this change it likely to take effect? If not 1st Jan could it be the start of the new finical year on 1st April? I've been stockpiling credit of sale vouchers with the idea of buying Logic, however I'm toying with the idea of spending it on Auria plug-ins instead. If the prices go up today I'll be gutted!
Dear Alex,
Within the next 36 hours, prices on the App Store will increase for all territories in the European Union as well as in Canada and Norway, decrease in Iceland, and change in Russia. These changes are being made to account for adjustments in value-added tax (VAT) rates and foreign exchange rates.
i still dont understand
let say Cubasis, is from US store so it will be +20% here, right?
let say iVCS3, is from EU store so it will not be changed, right?
or?
@Goozoon said:
Where is this from?
I think if say you are a user in the UK, you will use the UK store for all your purchases, whatever their country of origin, and so all of your app prices will be affected.
Does this mean we can then pay for apps in any iTunes store, in any country, instead of being restricted to certain stores? UK, USA, ect?
As far as I know VAT is charged depending on what country of the AppStore and where the credit-card/gift-card of the customer is registered in.
I got my first invoice with VAT specified today (after repurchasing Synth-Q). The price was 38SEK including VAT which in turn translates to $4.78USD (Using Google search of '38SEK in USD').
@PhilW said:
Official mail from Apple
need to buy zeta and ivcs before