How is Beathawk better than Beatmaker 2?

Tritonman2

Cool, what is the date of release for BM3, or is it still just (planned)?

JohnnyGoodyear

As quoted previously Comparison is the thief of all joy.

Thomas

@Tritonman2 said:

Cool, what is the date of release for BM3, or is it still just (planned)?

still "planned." When Auria Pro is released, it will be my primary DAW(currently, BM2 is). At that time, I'll determine if I want to remain loyal to Beatmaker(preferably) or employ MPCPro as my sample editor/player. While I prefer to remain loyal to BM, I don't want the bloat & file management issues.

FrankieJay

@Paulinko said:

Since Beathawk has Audiobus integration, I can run it's output through effects, record them, and import them back into Beathawk as samples without having to leave Audiobus. This work flow is more conducive to what I want to do. Really need to investigate the ACID format to see if there's an iOS way of creating your own samples to take full advantage of Beathawk.

+1

FrankieJay

@Korakios said:

@Peter321 said:

I imported some Acid files which where supposed to work with the automatic tempo adjustment, but so far they seem to work just like normal .WAV files, so not sure what's going on :-(

The user library does not seem to support folders, so importing 100's of samples of your own does not seem feasible, they want you to buy their packs instead, which are nicely organized.

I downloaded some free acidized free loops plus I export some wav loops from Reaper with the option to store tempo info. On the acid loop beathawk does not read the slice info but reads on both samples the bpm info and it locks the samples to follow Beathawks tempo...

I understand that UVI wants to sell the IAP sound packs,which are very nice but there are people with custom libraries that would love to use on the app. Waiting the day where apps can read the samples straight from audioshare library. It would be a big step for iOS 8.

Why not convert your audio files into ACID etc This happens all the time in the digital domain: for example converting audio into RMX, REX files, Apple loops etc.

Does audioshare embed BPM info? If not why not. Instead of waiting for an app to do everything you want it to do, you just find your own workaround - that's how you keep ahead of the crowd.

I buy a sample pack, whack them into recycle > Rex files > RMX files. So for ACID, we just need to find a converter and Bob's your uncle

FrankieJay

@ElGregoLoco said:

iMO... BH is even worth than iMPC Pro, except maybe if you you like to rely on (very expensive) imposed sound libraries... While BM2 is opened, more flexible and with way more possibilities (but it's getting old...).
I'm a bit disapointed because I did not expected the kind of app size and limits that I found in BH... I was waiting for this app for a year but deleted after 2 days...
Maybe if they had made it an audiobus input, it would have make it a lot different for me, but as it is now it's a definite no go fir me
Peace

Expensive and imposed sounds? Reasonably priced I will say. You can import your OWN sounds as well. Acidized or just plain audio (that is, without BPM info). BM2 will say deleted for me. It was ok but with an average sound quality. BM 3 will now have to match or better the sounds on BH. For a workflow that is just fun and efficient and not bogged down with moving things all over the place (one window workflow), BH is the way to go.

knewspeak

Guess time has taken it's toll on BM2, but it still has a place in my heart and iPad, but for how much longer, BM3?

kobamoto

@FrankieJay said:

@ElGregoLoco said:

iMO... BH is even worth than iMPC Pro, except maybe if you you like to rely on (very expensive) imposed sound libraries... While BM2 is opened, more flexible and with way more possibilities (but it's getting old...).
I'm a bit disapointed because I did not expected the kind of app size and limits that I found in BH... I was waiting for this app for a year but deleted after 2 days...
Maybe if they had made it an audiobus input, it would have make it a lot different for me, but as it is now it's a definite no go fir me
Peace

Expensive and imposed sounds? Reasonably priced I will say. You can import your OWN sounds as well. Acidized or just plain audio (that is, without BPM info). BM2 will say deleted for me. It was ok but with an average sound quality. BM 3 will now have to match or better the sounds on BH. For a workflow that is just fun and efficient and not bogged down with moving things all over the place (one window workflow), BH is the way to go.

two different types of musicians here, unsurprisingly two different types of samplers needed.

Musikman4Christ

What would be the better sampler to use and do all the edits and stuff, then bring in that sample into BH.

kobamoto

don't know of any iOS based app that creates acidized files yet so you'd probably need a desktop editor of some sort for that.

Dham

@Musikman4Christ said:

What would be the better sampler to use and do all the edits and stuff, then bring in that sample into BH.

You could use Beatmaker2 to do all of the chopping/editing. Have it setup as an input into Audiobus, set AudioShare as the output and use Audioshare as the conduit to BH.

Musikman4Christ

Thanks man! I'm new to all this sampling stuff but I want to create my own samples and use BH as my sample player. I wanna Sam say Z3TA, Thor, Have, etc and create my favorite instrument samples to use for live playing. I like the idea if BH allowing you to place a sample I'm each pad. Now, the only thing I'm thinking, is effects. I think the effects would be applied globally or per pad?

@Dham said:

@Musikman4Christ said:

What would be the better sampler to use and do all the edits and stuff, then bring in that sample into BH.

You could use Beatmaker2 to do all of the chopping/editing. Have it setup as an input into Audiobus, set AudioShare as the output and use Audioshare as the conduit to BH.

JohnnyGoodyear

@knewspeak said:

Guess time has taken it's toll on BM2, but it still has a place in my heart and iPad, but for how much longer, BM3?

I am ever optimistic. In the same way that I believe if AuriaPro lives up to half its billing it should have a positively ass-kicking effect on Cubasis, I also believe that the energy and activity in the market should only have a giddyup effect on getting BM3 brushed up and brought out to play...

Dham

I'm thinking you could use the effects slot within Audiobus to apply effects to samples as you're recording them into Audioshare.

kobamoto

why not use beatmakers sampler, and create a bunch of patches, for live playing it would be just as quick and for the patch creation it would be better results and a better mixer?

kobamoto

Tritonman

I am hearing a bunch of good things coming from Beathawk already, not so much the case presently with BM2. This is what counts really when you get down to it. What has it done lately?

kobamoto

well for musicman4christ needs it's perfect, that's what I was responding too. he needs something to make keyboard patches out of that he could use quickly etc… bm2 has the quality and quickness for live playing and switching patches that he needs. he wants to create patches from zeta, thor etc…

beathawks keyboard mode is almost identical to the impc pro's 16 levels, it's not as good for creating and sculpting quality keyboard patches as bm2 keyboard sampler.
then he can just flick threw them live and do his thing.
Does that make sense?

kobamoto

for other needs I would have suggested something else.

Tritonman2

@Tritonman said:

I am hearing a bunch of good things coming from Beathawk already, not so much the case presently with BM2. This is what counts really when you get down to it. What has it done lately? This is a separate observation and nothing to do with what you mentioned . Just an overall observance of just how good Beathawk is.

kobamoto

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drelbs23

BM2 runs on my iPhone, Beathawk doesn't.

Zetagy

Can't believe some of the flak BM is getting here. It's infinitely useful, a black box, a Swiss Army knife. For the record or those who don't know, BM is a DAW multi track style app that can send and receive midi, and drive IAA apps. It has two instruments, a pad and a keyboard. Both are mappable across all 128 midi notes allowing custom sample-based instrument creation. There is also an audio editing environment capable of slicing as well as destructive fx applying. This alone is extremely useful for mpc style creation. BM also has some pretty decent onboard effects that can be routed as both insert and send style, including a compression sidechain. Anyway what I mean to say is you really can do it all in BM, whatever it lacks in stock sample quality it certainly makes up for in flexibility of approach.

As for Beathawk, it's a more focused app along the lines of iMaschine or iMPC pro. I'm sure it sounds great but I'm not liking the single track, single pad approach. I bought it, sounds nice, I'll get to it sometime soon but still digging my workflow that involves a few tracks/apps at once.

Anyway here's something I made w BM awhile back, it's got a sample from Animoog and from iVoxel but the rest is stock samples and bm onboard fx:

Tritonman2

And that folks is another reason BH is so popular now. I really prefer the quality sounds to this.
Maybe BM3 will sound better hopefully.. I am sure they both have their place and there is good music from both I am sure, but this whole topic is becoming silly at this point. My app is better than yours is getting well, a bit old and lame. I have heard good things from both but both can sound awful as you know I am sure.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Zetagy I guess the thing is it don't matter. I like your tune. Especially the atmosphere in the second half where it really gathers. Good stuff.

gjcyrus

Right now I am at a Starbucks. I had a long day and am just chillin out. If I felt a sudden burst of inspiration, I could click open bm2 and lay down a beat. I rarely bring my iPad out with me do until bh becomes universal, bm2 still is the tool for me.

I def see Potential so am looking forward

markk

@gjcyrus said:

Right now I am at a Starbucks. I had a long day and am just chillin out. If I felt a sudden burst of inspiration, I could click open bm2 and lay down a beat. I rarely bring my iPad out with me do until bh becomes universal, bm2 still is the tool for me.

I def see Potential so am looking forward

Is swapping bm2 tunes back and forth between phone and pad easy or is there a lot of mucking around with samples etc?

Crabman

@Tritonman2 said:

@Tritonman said:

I am hearing a bunch of good things coming from Beathawk already, not so much the case presently with BM2. This is what counts really when you get down to it. What has it done lately? This is a separate observation and nothing to do with what you mentioned . Just an overall observance of just how good Beathawk is.

What is this thing with your 2 accounts?Can you not decide which personality to choose from?

kobamoto

Hi Larry ish

Tritonman2

Yes Crabman you guessed it. wink. It seems to depend if I am on my Ipad or my PC.