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@Tritonman said:
this was tracked & arranged in BM2 with extensive sample editing(mixed in Auria)-
@Tritonman2 said:
What I dig about BM2 is that it's as good as what you put in it.
@Thomas In the best possible sense I don't really care where you did it, just that you did. Nice piece, can you tell us what you used as regards bass and guitar?
Thanks. My buddy sent me guitar parts that he tracked in Sonar at his home and told me I could do with them whatever I wanted.
...so I did. :-D
Bass guitar was my Skjold 5-string tracked direct thru my Apogee One into BM2.
Also in the mix- the percussion samples I made at the Mattheson State Park dells area this past summer. 8-)
Well done Thomas!
Thanks Tritonman2.
Thomas - I really like that track! Thanks for sharing.
@markk said:
Easy for me. Choose "ipod" for music library and Dropbox to move with different devices
Thx @JohnnyGoodyear -!
@Tritonman said:
Branding BM2 as unproductive because people don't post stuff made with it is no indication of its efficacy as a daw. If I wasn't looping my head off with my current gear I'd be doing linear stuff with BM2. Comets like beathawk come and go, stuff like BM2 stays there as a tool. I also get excited by the new gear but mostly because it provides me with that creative, shiny, new spark. When I want to do some specific stuff I go with my old and trusted. I guess being familiar with the software helps with that no end.
I totally agree about its age though. We defo need a mk3 soon. Come on Intua!
I guess I'm one of the few that don't think BM2 is old at all, it's by far one of the best apps on iOS all it needs is a workflow make over and it could be just stunning. it's already got more features than you can shake a stick at and i hope before they add one more that they just turn it upside down and redesign how we interact with it. My formula of choice would be that they keep every single feature but make it a childlike endeavor to use it. There are always nice things that could be added to an app but I hope their focus with bm3 is entirely workflow related on the first run.
as far as the comparisons go like Thomas eluded to in his post the first rule of sampling is the quality of what you put into it determines what comes out. you can put uvi samples into any sampler, even beatmaker and there you go. You've got comparisons of beathawk to tr-8 and analog rytm and others thinking that its the greatest sampler cause they don't have to sample with it or edit samples with it and thats cool if thats the stretch of your imagination but it's nothing like those drum machines or any of the samplers.. I think the discussions are really not about the apps but the art forms underneath , more about how people feel about the sampling art form, using pre made loops, etc… otherwise most of the comparisons don't make any sense. I love sampling, and I love editing samples, I also don't have anything against sample libraries.. i won't buy a sampler based on a library because there are things I need to be able to do to the samples whether they came from a library or came from sampling them myself but that doesn't mean that I don't like libraries. I particularly love gold baby sample libraries, every single one of them is topnotch and a labor of love for the developer…. I've also been using Uvi libraries since they first started putting them out, they have always been way above average.
Again, agree @kobamoto. Beatmaker just needs a workflow overhaul. Ok, and a better mixer/effects but it's all there suffering under the weight of feature creep.
And mediocre samples.
Ha, yeah, but they don't actually get in the way of making music with the thing (at least not how I use it).
I am going to go watch some beat maker tutorials soon I think.
I agree with you Mister K in many ways, but within this phrase is the whole shebang:
it's by far one of the best apps on iOS all it needs is a workflow make over
At this point quality is one thing, but workflow -increasingly- is the first barrier to true entry.
@syrupcore @JohnnyGoodyear Agreed. Bad UX killed the Beatmaker star
Although I'm sure it's great for those who've sorted it out. I actually managed to sequence a bit of the Mellotronics 3000 into Auria. That was fun. More often though, I felt kind of lost in a "can't find my mommy" way in that particular candy store.
Agree with @kobamoto as well.
I think most 'advanced users' and 'advanced samplists' (gawd, how elitist!) are importing samples or sampling into BM2 (like you would with something like Samplr), whereas the simpler groove boxers out there, like BH and iMaschine and iMPC Pro, are more defined by their factory sounds, which are admittedly pretty great.
BM2's ability to bulk import folders thru DBox - maybe unique to it and Audioshare(?) - is crucial to this difference, especially when you're dealing with folders of one shots/drums.
Now that we've seen Auria Pro features, my ultimate wish list, given what's in front of us, would be to have BM's beat lab and pad and keyboard samplers optionally grafted onto the former's midi tracks ... with that bulk import, of course.
i dunno, sometimes I think beatmaker suffers from schizophrenia and doesn't know whether it wants to be a DAW or a BeatMachine, maybe Intua should make two beatmaker apps, one linear and one non-linear
No need to choose. (Ableton!)
Too much dispersement.
Game theory! Jinx, JGyr! ; )
^this...exactly how I feel about Beatmaker 2.
BM2, is still a fabulous DAW, and without a doubt it is a DAW, but it came out at a time when another great app, again a DAW, NanoStudio, was it's only rival, both of these used the tech of the day the iPad 1, which they still work on, fairly well today.
The pace of technology has changed the iPad's we use today, during which time the amount and choice of app's available to musicians is inundating, the biggest problem for me and I would guess for most is getting it all working together on iOS. A lot of this is down to the hodgepodge of different standards here on iOS.
Back to BM2, I feel it will continue to suffer the effects of time, but only because it's developers have chosen this, probably the best solution, to reasonably 'neglect' BM2 and to work on it's successor BM3. Should be interesting times given the competition of today.
For what it's worth, NS and BM are both pre iPad. Get off my iOS lawn. I didn't get BM until I owned an iPad but I know NS sings like a well oiled choir on an iPhone 3Gs.
Also, NS allows bulk import with intact folder structures but via Nanosync, not Dropbox.
BM is absolutely linear: piano roll, visual linear song mode.... It also happens to have the most feature rich "16-pads thing" on iOS to date, regardless of age—getting at those features in a non brain blocking way is the point of discussion (or my part anyway!).
In contrast to its at-launch rival, BM has managed to add big features at a pretty amazing rate (bm3 development has slowed it, yes). Think the way all of those features have been continuously grafted on top of a UX architecture meant for quick beat noodling on your "omg, on my phone??!!" is the source of the problem. Awesome that the features were added, less than awesome how they were added (in total, that is. And not judging—I couldn't have done it a 500th as well—just observing/yacking). I hope BM3 is a complete user experience rewrite. Just fix or make-solid a few core features, keep all the existing amazing ones and put them all back together with a fresh healthy dose of UX testing and love.
For NS, it's the exact opposite: keep the everything. Just figure out how to add the missing features without fucking anything up.
Think I inadvertantly summed up why I open NanoStudio 20 times more often than I open BM2.
Here on MY lawn it annoys me still -12 hours in to this new fangled thingie- that I have to quote something and then add
+1
But perhaps it will make me more judicious.
Nah.
My worry for BM3 is that expectations levels may be impossible to meet. Or that the train has left the station. Or that it's newness will seem too shiny for old users. Still looking forward to it and THIS YEAR please....
I'm going to be a pain for a moment, as mental health is a large part of my profession, but schizophrenia involves psychotic thoughts (experiencing a different reality), including hallucinations , delusions, and disorganized thinking; not multiple personalities, which is something different. I still understand the point you're making, just want to clarify that as it's often a term used incorrectly. (Like when someone says "I could care less.")
Whether Intua has those characteristics is another discussion perhaps. ;-)
Back to the regularly scheduled programming. I have beatmaker 2 but find the workflow confusing. I don't find auria confusing at all, but that may also stem from the fact that sampling doesn't really figure into the music I make. However, beatmaker is deep and a less confusing interface (acknowledging it's heritage as a full DAW meant for a 4" screen) would let that depth be seen more easily.
These have been my concerns as well.
[fingers crossed]
Nothing wrong with being a daw and a beat machine in one package. Especially with all the sync issues we're having. I've said this in other threads but if they only added IAA effects I'd be definitely falling in love with bm2 all over again. I love the dark interface as it is likely to save battery and is great for working in the dark. I also got used to the workflow so won't be winging about that.
I have no idea who you are but I love you.
(I really hope you're a chick)
On different note, do any other apps have something similar to BM2 choplab?
That's a big checkmate that bm2 has on all the other apps since its really easy to load up 16 sliced samples complete with fade ins and outs
of course the impc pros chop lab is a design of beauty as would be expected from a beatmachine that is not a Daw and is only a sample slicing beatmachine. The thing that I really wish every other app would do that only beatmaker does though is allow you to audition audio from your iTunes library before loading it into the sample editor, so that you can browse your library and find something you want to sample first and then load it up and chop it…. only bm2 does this , every other beatmachine and sample editor makes you first load up a file to listen to it, if it's not what you wanted you have to delete it as to not take up unnecessary space and then try another file etc..
You can preview in iMPC Pro with that cheeky turntable thing. Not quite preview from the list but it's pre editor.