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Bugs in iMini are all Retronyms fault
My 5-January email to Arturia asking about the broken iMini was finally answered on 5-March (below). This app has been broken since October 2014. Don't hold your breath for a timely fix.
The previous message he refers to read: "nothing to add."
Hey David,
Sorry for the previous message; I just meant we do not really have control over Retronym's apps, thus we can not give a release date.
Furthermore there are other bugs that have to be fixed in iMini so the next update will take care of them at once.
Apologies for this and have a nice day.
Best regards,
Victor
Sales Inquiry
[email protected]
Arturia Sales Team
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Just don't buy Retronym products! There are so many complains to hear this as a consumer. I have 90% of Retronym products. They close the door to play thier own game. I don't like.
Pretty sure it's been broken a lot longer than Oct '14. Retronyms are ashes in my mouth. Once bitten.
Excuse me for this noob question, but what does retronyms have to do with it?
How are they involved in that? And what other apps do they put their mittens in?
I thought iMini is Arturia?
Retronyms has long developed apps for other brands, with Arturia being one of those. Obviously Akai as well with the iMPCs, among others.
I don't think I ever picked up a retronyms app aside from the free tabletop download years ago.
me too, just try tabletop, just for 15minutes...dont "taste" good, even AudioCopy.....feels like they wanna ripped the pockets of a naked men,
Good thats Audiocopy out there THX Jonatan!
I like the bit in the email that says "we do not really have control over Retronym's apps". Retronym's apps? There was me thinking I'd paid Arturia for it....
The IMini was last updated 12/30/14 and it does list Arturia as the developer so Victor from Arturia's response seems to be passing the buck. To be fair to Arturia, they have been the only contractor to get apps developed by Retronyms to have Audiobus support that I'm aware of.
Two companies passing the buck to each other and treating the buck like a hot potato. Then again, it's easy to read a lot of things into that email. Imini was $10 and I've moved on a long time ago. I think the stuck note bug has been fixed, but I don't use it enough anymore to worry about it. Actually, lately I've been using my ipad to mix front of house when I'm running it or my in ears when I'm not, so I've been using sunrizer on an iPod touch running ios6 for my second synth bass. No one has complained (or even noticed).
Arturia freelanced out the coding work to Retronyms, and I don't know if Retronyms freelanced out the coding work to yet another company or not. But I've read that lots of freelancers will underbid their work, and then tack on exorbitant fees for add-ons and bug fixes. In any case, Arturia is ultimately responsible for the apps that carry their name. At some point along the line they had to have been told it was going to cost X to fix it, then balked. It's promising that he said "the next update will take care of them at once" - gives me hope that the wheels may finally be in motion.
iMini and iProphet both have broken Virtual MIDI In ports since day one. iSEM, OTOH, farmed out to a different dev, is fine.
I would guess so, looking at the differences in quality between the apps they've created. Ultimately though as you say the responsibility lies with companies such as Arturia who hired them to get the issues fixed.
IMO, whoever's name is listed at the AppStore when you hand over the $$ is ultimately responsible- who did what behind the scenes SHOULD be totally irrelevant to the user.
I don't find iMini at all unusable myself though...
Imagine buying a car made by 'Zorg' and the wheels fell off, Zorg's response is sorry it's not our problem 'Zirkle' developed the wheels, but don't worry, they are fixing it soon, very soon, very very soon!.............if you bought that car..........mmmmm, la, la, laaaa.
Point taken, principle understood, but scale is different between a car and a $10 app as far as overall effect on one's life.
In both cases though, you're unlikely to give either company future business.
iMini is useable with work-arounds. It doesn't work as a destination, but you can get to it with a working VM Out source intermediary. Used to be we used either FreEWI or Network MIDI (tweaky to configure), but today I would recommend using MidiFLow (it can instantiate VM ports for you). iMini, for example, cannot be driven directly by BeatMaker2 because BM2's Virtual MIDI Out port is broken too. It is fully co-operative in the TableTop environment (Retronyms' focus). But for its first year it was not useable outside TT with MIDI (unless it was also the only synth you used MIDI for) because it was both Omni Only mode and promiscuous. First YEAR.
iMini is good synth from Moog owner, just Retronyms' problem.
iProphet has big problem. The time1 to time4 is in percentage term which is not directly correspond to the seconds of true time. It's nonlinear. Pc version shows both percentage and seconds. Ipad version doesn't which render iProphet very hard to use. Shame! Retronyms!
but what does R. Nyms have to say about it?
What @zymos said. Both bits.
And, for what it's worth, there is a bug in iProphet that was identified in the original Arturia version.
Prompted by this thread I got this config running. 3 separate midi channels. No issues.
I use FreEWI for iProphet and iMini - in MTS and BM2. Midi sequencing and live audio recording. FreEWI helps with a few others I find as well, ie those free crate apps, (chop_crate, fx_crate etc.)
I'm not inclined to hating on retronyms at all, I used to use tabletop a lot and may well do again in the by and by. The only issue I had there was that I'm looking for multi stem export -
The fact that they ported Louis' VST to iOS will make them heroes in my book forever
iMini and iProphet work fine, no problems, in their TableTop environment. So well compared to out of it I'm tempted to suspect that is the only way they tested them. And so that is likely why their VM Ins don't work - TT uses them differently and probably not in line with Core Audio rules.
the core audio issues that R. Nyms seems to have seems to be very counter productive. I'm not a developer so I'm curious is there any good reasoning for them to always go against core audio, is there some benefit to that train of thought?
All those synth apps are like sweets scattered around the place for the purpose of luring towards one environment which in this case is Tabletop aka big toothy rat trap. Well, not really. They've done that with virtually all of their apps so no real surprises there. In my eyes it does have a definite logic and whether one likes it or not that's the way it is.
I love IMini for its sounds and the arp but find myself using it less and less because of the f#%^>ng main volume which needs bringing down close to zero every time I change a preset. I somehow find Iprophet very uninviting, can't put my finger on it. Isem is probably the one I like the most but wish they'd made it capable of hearing program change messages.
TableTop as a concept when it was released long time ago was good, but nowadays it's been over-run by the likes of Korg Gadget and the TableTop-sequencer needs a lot of work to be good.
To return to the Topic, It's really awkward that Arturia reply in the way they do as they are responsible for all the apps that carry the Arturia brand-label. It's up to Arturia to push the contracted developers to deliver software that meets Arturias requirements...
I'm guessing there was a reason why iSEM had different developer and it was done by Arturia to test who would be the proper developer for their software, maybe Retronyms just got the rights to port iProphet before iSEM was released...
Or maybe Arturia is not that concerned about iOS, feeling something like "fine, you want to port our software to iOS? Go for it, it will cost you this much but don't bother us, you're on your own."
Who knows? But imini sounds good. Just stable too late as other synths took its role and I have forgotten about it. Maybe I'll check it out again, I've never had issues with the desktop version (the one they have away for free that one day a few years ago).
But why should they have put Audiobus in if Arturia doesn't care at all?
and what other synths took Imini's role for you?
It might be a stretch to deduce Arturia's iOS business plans from an email reply from one employee. Clearly they have some investment in iOS as they've got three synths on board. The Audiofuse interface they came out with this year has iOS functionality in mind. iOS apps are a category on their main webpage.
I'm not really deducing anything, just offering a different view. I've had no interaction at all with Arturia, although when I first had problems with imini I contacted them a few times and got no response. They are not known for their interaction with customers, but their products sound very good.
It's also hard to say for sure that the email meant "it's all retronyms' fault." Internet speculation is all, we're all experts. ;-)
@kobamoto
I was using imini for synth bass when playing live, but notes getting stuck, with the only way to stop them being to kill the app, which makes the band all turn their heads, made it not suitable. I now use iSEM on iPad or if it is being used for PA purposes, sunrizer on an old iPod touch. I also have a novation xio that is used (and a bass guitar).