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Elastic Drums iPad Version Pre Realese Demo

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  • @Gratouilli

    I've never used it with midi so I'm not to sure, I think external midi came in the last version so you might be able to sync them if you have 2 ios devices, I'm wondering if you could use iaa in another host, I'm not to sure with midibus either, might be worth a go though.

  • @Paulyboy said:
    I already have DM1, which I like, but it clearly could be so much better than it is, especially its MIDI implementation which is just so inconsistent. Elastic Drums looks like it has it beat in a number of ways but there is no acoustic type sounds? Not sure I need yet another app that produces electronic type sounds.

    This is a drum synth so... you can make synthesized drum sounds with it and for what it was made to do, I think it sounds great. I don't think it was ever meant to be a type of app for loading samples of real drums.

  • For people who have both, how does Elastic Drums stack up against Stroke Machine? Watching Doug TSTR and Tim Webb's videos, Stroke Machine sounds to have a much more interesting synth engine? Is this just the videos?

  • @mister_rz said: I'm wondering if you could use iaa in another host...

    With Ellastic Drums, everything is OK ; the problem comes form RDM2 (http://tinyurl.com/puvuc5h)

  • @Jocphone said:
    The effects sequencing looks great but I can't help feeling underwhelmed by the synth drum sounds.. Not sure why but they all sounded a bit, lifeless.

    I tend to agree here. I hope this gets better in the future. :-)

  • @Audiojunkie said:
    I tend to agree here. I hope this gets better in the future. :-)

    Synth drums might not be for everyone, but the sounds aren't the problem. "Life" comes from motion, or the beat and its relationship with negative space. All you really need is 1-2 kicks, 1 snare, and 16+ hats per bar to make it groove. You can mess with the pitch, tone, decay, and release knobs if you want, but the stock sounds are more than fine. Since I'm used to using 6+ instances of London/Bilbao at a time, the challenge for me in Elastic Drums has been to find a way to make a beat groove without spending 2-3 tracks on hi-hats, with no conventional swing mechanism. Automation seems to be the way to do that.

  • @Jocphone said:
    For people who have both, how does Elastic Drums stack up against Stroke Machine? Watching Doug TSTR and Tim Webb's videos, Stroke Machine sounds to have a much more interesting synth engine? Is this just the videos?

    I learned to program drums on an Electribe EMX-1, so I had high hopes for Stroke Machine. But I never really got into it because of Gadget and SM's GUI overload. Elastic Drums is easily my favorite iphone app these days, despite the limited sounds out of the box.

  • edited March 2015

    I picked up and put down Stroke Machine (probably) too quickly because of the GUI. Waiting on the iPad version, but suspect that's the area Elastic may win out for many folks...

  • Conversely, the GUI to Stroke Machine never bothered me that much (I actually kinda like it). The recent update which fixed its MIDI was huge, too.

    imo, while Stroke Machine is a more in-depth sequencer than Elastic Drums (in most ways, not all, the speed and step options per-part from Elastic Drums are unmatched on iOS), I also find Stroke Machine to be a bit limited in its synth engine. It's very easy to get noisy, dissonant and metallic sounds out of Stroke Machine, and that's about it.

  • @Gratouilli said:
    With Ellastic Drums, everything is OK ; the problem comes form RDM2 (http://tinyurl.com/puvuc5h)

    That is a pain, only thing I could suggest is to email the devs about including virtual midi in an update, which doesn't help for now, I mainly use audio when working with drum apps and use auria on ios or logic on osx to arrange stuff. With midibus or midibridge I haven't got them to test out whether the apps will show up as midi devices, maybe someone can help but I'm stumped about a solution.

  • edited March 2015

    Honestly don't know why everyone thinks this app is limited? It's got a great depth of sound creation.

    I for one love that it's not another sample based realistic drum app, we have plenty of great offerings in that area. We need more apps like this! Not everyone wants static realistic drum sounds, and if that's what you want then why buy this? :p

  • @Buska everyone clearly doesn't think this app is limited. I said I thought the sounds were a bit uninspiring from TSTR demo video. I went and listened to the video again and still stand by this comment but it is personal opinion and I never said that I don't like synth percussion. Was more interested in understanding why people rave about Elastic Drums rather than a polarised argument. 8 quid is still a chunk of change if I end up not getting on with the sound of it.

  • edited March 2015

    I bought this app because almost universally everyone loved it and I felt sure I could not go too far wrong, Well the truth is I do not like any of the presets (just not my cup of tea) It sounds how I imagine a rave party would. I think I was hoping for a cross between Impaktor and DrumJam but this is just too harsh for my taste. I don't have the inclination to create sounds more to my liking if that is even possible. I only posted my opinion as support for Jocphone because I think it should be okay to say you don't concur with everyone else's taste.

  • The developer has links with the band Mouse on Mars, who played with it in a pre-release vid. As a fan I was hooked and counted down the days until it was released. I can completely understand why some might not rate it though, it is a bit on the glitchy, raw, acid side if the fence. I'm sure it can be tamed, but I bought it to run off the leash and cause mayhem in my Soundcloud account, which it does loutishly.

  • Looking forward to giving it a real go on the iPad interface. Will probably want to 'tame' the sounds a little and am interested to see how much that's possible, especially via AB/effects. Still disappointed that DM1 has taken a step backwards.

  • What type of AB effect would thicken up the raw, acidy sound of the symth drums; a chorusing effect? Or combination of effects? Which AB effects apps would work good for this purpose to create a thicker, fatter sound?

  • very good question

  • @bsantoro I am a novice led only by my eyes and ears, but one of the things I love about FLUX is the easy way to combine a variety of effects visually as well as aurally. I will need to play with it, and one is not going to turn tin into lead (or vice versa), but I hope to find some middle ground. I do expect it to be largely industrial however :)

  • edited March 2015

    I guess there is none! no effect app can thick the sounds! So to speaking, the wool comes from sheep, not the other way! Only from the raw harmonics, One can filter the sounds thicker! You can only extend the thickness with delay plus extra filter and lfo.

  • @bsantoro said:
    What type of AB effect would thicken up the raw, acidy sound of the symth drums; a chorusing effect? Or combination of effects? Which AB effects apps would work good for this purpose to create a thicker, fatter sound?

    Final Touch or AUFX Push would be a great place to start.

    Another classic trick is adding distortion to the drums (esp. the bass drum). Lots of acid techno is just a TB-303, TR-909, maybe a TR-808 and a crappy Boss distortion pedal (or a RAT).

    I kind of see both sides of the opinion that this app's good for "acid" sounds. On one hand, the sequencer layout, the editing capabilities of sounds (esp. the realtime editing) and ability to change a part's length in a pattern in real-time is great for acid. On the other hand...it's not a "minimal" drum machine in the way the old Roland boxes could be. It's very easy to use only 3-4 sounds but get a very full and complex beat, which imo isn't really in the spirit of acid techno (or most "techno", period).

  • Might be a good forum challenge. See what different (non-'dance') beats folks can come up with using this machine. Nothing too strenuous. Say 16 bars or 32....

  • edited March 2015

    As I said there is no effect app can fundamentally thick synth drum sound! Must from the begining to make it thicker! That is the pretty reason we have "Seekbeats" app which allow you to adjust the pitch and filter and add noise in a diagram. Thickness must gains from the beginning harmonic sound. Soon, "Waldolf Attack Advanced Drum Synth" is coming which also allows you to make thick drum sound.

  • "Fundamentally" has very little to do with anything. It's rare that an effect is even created with a "fundamental" use. It's how ya use what you've got to get what you need!

  • @CalCutta said:
    "Fundamentally" has very little to do with anything. It's rare that an effect is even created with a "fundamental" use. It's how ya use what you've got to get what you need!

    You are distorting the truth!

  • It's common to layer 2-3 synths to create a thicker drum sound, i do it with Waldorf Attack and Operator to create the body attack and punch, if you listen to dance that's how they get those massive kicks. Then there's saturation, transient shapers etc. It's all about layering and sound design but i like ED, it reminds of the Korg MS-20 in a way, can get pretty wild, can't wait for the iPad version! :)

  • @Kaikoo said:

    haha good pun

  • +1 you are right!

  • edited March 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Will probably want to 'tame' the sounds a little and am interested to see how much that's possible, especially via AB/effects.

    Just roll off the Decay and Release knobs to get rid of the grimy tails and you're left with cleaner, punchier, almost analog-like sounds. And everyone, please program fewer notes!! The current presets in ED are way too busy!

  • I sometimes put apps through Tonestack to beef them up a bit - some of the amp sims can provide a bit of a low/mid EQ boost and warm things up a tad.

  • I quite like the sounds and sound shaping possibilities in ED.

    My favorite thing is the variable step count per part though. It's easy to make a single 16 step pattern sound like a 64 step pattern by setting a couple of the tracks to 11-15 steps.

    More "velocity" tracks would be wonderful. And the ability to set number of repeats for song steps (instead of inserting the same step 4 times, for example) would be useful.

    Oh, and a keyboard or something to make it easier to enter pitched steps.

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