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Song of the Month Club - April

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  • edited April 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Probably because you've got 4 synths running and midi data flying everywhere... :). Although one would hope that the Air2 could handle it.

    Yeah, it sort of handles it, but the Auxy clip launcher seems a bit unresponsive and more sluggish than when it's playing in standalone. Understandable really.

    I might actually stick with the onboard sounds for my track - they seem to work better than the ones via my midi apps!

    Auria's been good throughout though, I'm starting to get comfortable with that one, despite the fact it looks like an old chest of drawers.

  • There is in every true woman's heart, a spark of heavenly fire, which lies dormant in the broad daylight of prosperity, but which kindles up and beams and blazes in the dark hour of adversity. -Washington Irving

    The heart has reasons that reason cannot know. -Blaise Pascal

    Chicks dig teak. -Johnny Goodyear

  • Not many chicks using Auria though, judging by the demographics around here. Maybe geeks dig teak though.

  • @richardyot said:
    Not many chicks using Auria though, judging by the demographics around here. Maybe geeks dig teak though.

    Richard, my old chum, the boys didn't expect the girls to buy the motorcycles, they expected them to be admired etc. :)

  • Am I the first one this month?

    https://app.box.com/s/dlqfqqzxjjz63y0whn6k6vheb72t6957

    This is a GarageBand instrumental project. No real guitar played on this one. I was exploring GB. I made it in 2013 so according to the strict Song Of The Month Club rules it might not pass the jury. Nevertheless I like it, so you might like it too. Until now I haven't let it hear to anybody. Thought I give it a go here. Otherwise it just might stay unheard in my archive forever.

  • edited April 2015

    @Marcel Show off! Still 4/5 days to go. How dare you start setting such an impossibly high bar :) Think of us poor procrastinators...

    BUT.....good for you for submitting. I think your piece is incredibly cinematic. I have no trouble seeing the credits of a TV show running while it plays (perhaps with something involving helicopters, corporate power-brokers or oil). AND you have the one thing I never figured out in iOS Garage Band and that's a real fade at the end.....

  • Hahaha lol, thx for comment, great you like it! :)

  • Nice work, @Marcel. I enjoyed the effect of the key changes once your virtual guitar set to chugging there. Definitely added a great cinematic feel as mentioned by country crooner Mr. Goodyear. Plus you coaxed a really nice mix out of Garageband, lot's of air between voices :)

  • @eustressor who're you calling a crooner Mister?

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  • My effort for April:

    I think the mixing and production has noticeably improved over previous efforts, but as always I am happy to receive feedback.

    The vocals also sound better (I hope), a lot of processing on them. The iOS version of Auto-Tune finally works, although it's pretty fiddly to use as an IAA effect in Auria.

    I'm happy with the arrangement, less happy with the song itself, but writing a good song is the hardest bit.

  • edited April 2015

    @richardyot - Overall sound and production and arrangement and mixing is great! Good to hear that an iPad can produce such a very good sound! (with the right person behind the buttons). It has a great depth in it. I like it. The composition itself, i agree with you, is not that great. But its not that bad either, it does have some strong parts. I am thinking, perhaps if you would sang a different melody line on the same chords, it would be much better; in some parts you follow the chords in your melody line, that are the parts I mean. The drums sound a tiny bit too slow to me, or perhaps a bit behind the beat. Nevertheless, great sounding song, great production, love the sound.

  • @Marcel thanks for listening, and for the feedback. The drums are programmed, but I often struggle with rhythm so I probably didn't mesh them well with the guitar, so the snare falls on the beat whereas the guitar is probably playing ahead of it - one more thing to add to the long list of issues I need to work on :)

    The vocal melody is probably too monotonous, this partly down to my limitations as a singer/guitarist. I write the songs on acoustic guitar and so I am limited by what I can sing and play at the same time. It's improving (slowly) but I need to make a conscious effort to vary the melodies more. But writing a good vocal melody is really the hardest thing of all, but it's obviously the key to creating a good song. Hopefully one day...

    I had a listen to your contribution: I really like the intro, particularly the rhythm, and the surprise stop near the start. My only criticism would be that the tune could have some more drama towards the end, so that there is more of a journey and a climax.

  • @eustressor said:
    Nice work, Marcel. I enjoyed the effect of the key changes once your virtual guitar set to chugging there. Definitely added a great cinematic feel as mentioned by country crooner Mr. Goodyear. Plus you coaxed a really nice mix out of Garageband, lot's of air between voices :)

    Thx! Great you liked it! :)

  • edited April 2015

    @richardyot said:

    The vocal melody is probably too monotonous, this partly down to my limitations as a singer/guitarist. I write the songs on acoustic guitar and so I am limited by what I can sing and play at the same time. It's improving (slowly) but I need to make a conscious effort to vary the melodies more. But writing a good vocal melody is really the hardest thing of all, but it's obviously the key to creating a good song. Hopefully one day...

    But is that way of working a necessity? You could consider to compose in a different way: make a chord progression on your guitar, record it, and then improvise/search a nice melody with your voice. Why not? Theoretically you then have much more freedom in finding a good melody. I don't want to give you a lesson (who am I, I don' t even sing) so it is meant as just an idea.

  • @Marcel said:
    But is that way of working a necessity?

    You're quite right, it absolutely isn't. However if I work this way the rhythm of the melody seems to fit the song much better, and also I would be able to perform the song myself (not that it's likely to happen!). For now I am trying to work this way, if it limits me too much I can always change it in the future.

    Also, it's just easier and nicer to pick up the guitar and sing along than trying to sing into an iPad :)

  • I posted this in "Creations," but I can post this here, too, as it's less than a week old. I used a lot more Audiobus than usual, recordinf from iGrand and Sunrizer into NanoStudio. It's been a while since I've had to get everything "right" in a take without the benefit of fiddling with MIDI afterwards. There are a few minor "colorful" notes in the piano solo which I can't decide if I should leave them be or if it warrants another take. Comments/feedback welcome!

  • @peanut_gallery: great tune, with a good groove and plenty of interest, I really like it.

    The piano solo is a little bit plinky-plonky, especially at the beginning, but there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe some more melodic content in the solo would have have been good but it's a minor criticism because it doesn't detract from the tune.

  • @richardyot

    A) Well done. Another month, another piece done/delivered.

    B) Starts off reminding me of the Smiths, and then later Jesus & Mary Chain. Don't love the first melody/verse sound, feels (to me) that the vocal effects are there to make up for lack of confidence in the tune/voice. The second melody/chorus I really like, and here the effects are a 1 + 1 = 3 deal. In fact on relistening, and knowing what's coming as regards the second part, I was wishing for the first part to be stronger. Lyrics good, but the melody too apologetic.

    C) I can hear progress here overall as regards mix/balance. I don't trust myself to comment on the drum/bass as am not technical enough to be sure, but it feels just on the edge of not being right/out of time. However, I accept that this can be a deliberate gambit and I would say 'umpire's decision' on this.

    D) Thanks so much for being the impetus behind this initiative. Focus is hard, finishing all but impossible, this helps.

  • @peanut_gallery Thanks for adding this to TSOTMC (something, something, something Marine Corps).

    Don't love glitchyness too much, but I like it in the opening here.

    Was waiting and waiting for Andrew Eldritch to come in on vocals.

    It felt a little as though the piano line (when it finally came in) was the vocals....

    Overall feels like a competently completed base, not a completed song, but then I am a words whore.

  • edited April 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Don't love the first melody/verse sound

    Yes, same crit as Marcel, and I completely accept it. But that's the point of this exercise, hopefully after a year of posting a song every month there will be some slow progress. But having this spelled out is really helpful: there's nowhere to hide when people say what they really think, and it gives me some focus on where to apply myself better. The mix has improved precisely because of the crits.

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    it feels just on the edge of not being right/out of time. However, I accept that this can be a deliberate gambit and I would say 'umpire's decision' on this.

    Its probably just crap playing/drum programming. :)

    But you know what (to continue on the theme), a few months ago I really struggled with recording any kind of live performance. It gets better with time.

  • edited April 2015

    @richardyot It IS getting better.

    As regards 1st melody/2nd melody, you've set a standard/hoisted yourself on a petard; and that's good.

    Useless language fact of the day: Pétard comes from the Middle French péter, to break wind, from pet expulsion of intestinal gas.... also apparently a derogatory term to refer to members of PETA. Not you :) But in this case colloquially means to be 'blown up by your own bomb..."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petard

  • Thanks JohnnyGoodyear and richardyot for the feedback! This was definitely one of my more sparely arranged and less melodic focused efforts. Was trying some a little different and just went with where it was taking me, trying to focus more on preserving a visceral feeling that I had while initially jamming over the groove.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    eustressor who're you calling a crooner Mister?

    Damn, I been called out, and I dun went 'n left mah pistol n' the Facebook Saloon ...

  • @richardyot said:
    The drums are programmed, but I often struggle with rhythm so I probably didn't mesh them well with the guitar, so the snare falls on the beat whereas the guitar is probably playing ahead of it

    Actually, for me it was the kick ... Just seemed like the drums were trying to swing while the rest of the song just wanted to cruise. One trick I've relied on for years is overstrumming my guitar parts, learning where those accents were, and letting that dictate what kind of beat fits best (in my noodle, anyway).

    But I think any concerns about vocal delivery should be in your rear-view after this. Sounded great to me. Love the "Planet Caravan" effects, everything seemed smooth and sat well with the sparkly guitar. I really didn't notice the AutoTune. Vox are 90% confidence, hopefully your successful performance here helps take you to that headspace. I like this sparkly smooth tune. Rock on!

  • Thanks, both tips much appreciated!

  • @peanut_gallery said:
    There are a few minor "colorful" notes in the piano solo which I can't decide if I should leave them be or if it warrants another take.

    Hey, I remember this track! IIRC, you took a friend's live drum performance and then resampled the voices ...? Paid off well, the drums in this are nice and meaty.

    Regarding the colorful notes in the solo, I can relate. I have a few songs where I'm 95% pleased with a certain take, but that 5% just gnaws at my brain. I think I'll likely re-record just so I can sleep at night. But I think great recordings first and foremost capture great performances, so if you think you could do better, I say go for it.

    Worst that could happen is, five takes later you realize the original one (which you saved, natch) was meant to be, and the color is the right sort of color :)

  • @Marcel

    Dramatic sounding track. Seemed musically tight - and lots of quite interesting parts put together (eg electric guitar with violin type stuff).

    I found the first 16 bars or so a bit harsh at the top end (on my Sony MDR-V6s). Just an EQ thing. Apart from that, sounded very pro.

    Creatively, I think I liked it, although possibly my brain reacted a bit against a kind of 'instrumental rock' feel which isn't particularly my thing, personally.

  • edited April 2015

    @richardyot

    I felt the song structure was less good this time than last time. I know you say that yourself up the page.

    I like the fact that there's some continuity in the 'sound' though. This one was similarly 'shoe gazer' in its feel (ride, the horrors etc). It's good to keep a 'sound' and progress it I think.

    Although to some extent I know it's part of the genre, I feel like you're adding too many effects to your vocals which are too masking. I can't hear the words, and I can't particularly make out your voice through the effects. If it's that you don't think your voice is there yet, I'm just curious as to whether you record long sections of vocals in one take or you do what I've done in the past which is record a short vocal phrase over and over again until you really nail the pitch, then move on to the next phrase? I find the latter really helped.

    I liked it though... I like the fact there are lyrics which obviously mean something (although I couldn't make all of them out) - and some great guitar work.

    I felt the kick drum wasn't hitting on the same beat as the guitar too by the way - just a bit off sync.

    Looking forward to hearing the next one.

  • edited April 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 Thanks for the feedback, yes the voice isn't there yet - in all honesty it's going to take a while before I'm happy with my vocals, and every time I record my voice I try new things, sometimes it's over-egged but that's a natural result of experimentation I think. Hopefully it will settle down once the singing improves and I find a vocal sound I'm happy with.

    The main problem is my singing is still very rough, and I practice diligently to improve it, but progress is slow. Slow progress is better than no progress though, and I think a fair measure would be to see if there is any real improvement in a year or so. In the meantime you will have to put up with my crappy vocals every month :)

    (edit) Sorry, to answer your question I usually record multiple takes of short sections for vocals and then pick the best one for each. With pitch generally some sections are easier than others, and I usually practice the song a lot before recording it.

  • edited April 2015

    Just to add to the discussion: for me all these songs are disposable, I've already forgotten about this one and am busy writing the next one. I know that in the future I won't be attached to these songs at all, they are just learning exercises. I need to learn to sing, to write, to arrange, to record, to mix, and to play better - quite a list :)

    But going through this process is what I am hoping will help to learn all these things, by having to complete a song every month I have to use all these skills and my listening is improving.

    The other thing I need to get away from is the JAMC comparisons :) Much as I love Psychocandy and Darklands I don't want to sound like those records, they're not actually in my mind when I create the songs. The shoegaze/90s comparisons I get more, purely for the chorused guitar sounds. So finding a more original sound is also another part of this process.

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