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Yes, it is good advice. You could take it further into the automatic writing or stream of consciousness territory depending on what you are prepared to accept as music so I don't think you necessarily need to label the first draft as shitty. Often times a re-rerecording is rejected for not having the rawness or energy of an ealier demo.
I do enjoy discussions around the creative process though and the various motivations that feed other musicians but I must admit I am not currently all that interested in 'finishing' pieces. I do understand that for some people finishing is important (especially if it's your source of income) but I subscribe more to the 'life is a journey' rhetoric.
There is enough value in attempting to break away from what I 'know' about making music in the traditional 3-4 piece rock/pop band that I don't think I would recognise what finished sounded like for me yet.
But thanks for the lengthy reply JGY, it gave me quite a bit to think about.
Sucks to receive and not give, so some feedback on what I found going back through the thread (part 1):
@Marcel incredible job in getting a sound like that in GarageBand. Timing, feel and choice of instruments gave it real power. My only slight criticism would be that nothing much happened after the half way mark.
@richardyot nice song, I enjoyed it more on second listening and felt it carried me along. As others mentioned though the timing made it difficult listening at first. Don't know if you ever played in a band or with other musicians but when it helps to have the rhythm loud enough to hear over your own instrument/voice but also if you can move some part of your body to the rhythm at the same time you will find you stay in time much better.
@peanut_gallery I didn't get on with your track the first time I listened to it. Second time I found more to like in there. Some of the later piano riffs are very nice but they get lost in the loud shouty mix.
@JohnnyGoodyear top effort with this song. There is a bit of Jagger to your country and you managed to keep just enough funk to give it a great feel. Like others I couldn't work out half the words. Sounds like you just need to hold the notes a bit longer as the attack was OK.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 I always look forward to you posts, I love the intricate beats and delicate mixing of sounds and textures you achieve. I didn't have a problem with the audio samples as much as some other commentators, however, I never felt that the melodic content resolved to anything memorable.
Thanks for that, just rushing to join what I feel is a really nice club of sorts. Will try and take my time next time (and hopefully still have something!).
I feel that I'm really learning from you guys, the comments but also your tracks. I'm really impressed by your production Matt. First listened through iPad speaker (I know, I know) and then headphones and was blown away. Couldn't fault it to be honest. I like especially that you seem to approach things from a strong rhythmic sense but also create such complimentary textures. Wow.
I preferred the latest track, but then it might depend on mood. I'm needing to chill (kids finally in bed), and the other track seemed a little to insistent. Still great textures and mix though!
@eustressor, I think your track improves with more listening. I especially like the interplay between the different vocals. I think more time spent on some of the phrases would help but as a track it's pretty impressive. I wouldn't have got the Police myself, maybe don't know them well enough. Started off a bit like Fleet Foxes and then travelled around the post punk pop/reggae sound while remaining unique. It just sounded fun and full of life.
@Jocphone, I feel like I'm in a similar place in regards to making music. I would like to finish a track, but if I did that it would probably be something in my comfort zone. I'm more interested in creating experiments, which I feel is what your track is (maybe)? I'm tempted to play it safe, and write something I know will work, but I also feel that I would prefer to create something that is really far from what I know. Maybe I should do both.
In regards to your track, it felt it was really dramatic, and had so much going on. It was a little difficult to listen on the headphones, some of the drums seemed to be 'away' from the mix. But I like the tension, the wild rhythms, and it felt really visual - I was creating a video in my head as I listened.
Maybe I should do both.
Do both.
There is a discipline (however free one's spirit is) in finishing. And from that, and from the choices that have to be made, something is learned or gained. I believe this to be the case, but I also know that only rarely will you come across a simple honest faceless place to finish for. Probably won't last forever, no clubs do, but worth stealing purpose from while you're able.
Part 2:
@eustressor great sounding track, full of life, vibrancy etc. first time I listened it did feel like we were waiting for the lead singer to turn up but I think that's down to the mix as others have said. Funnily enough when I listened to it again just now through the iPad speakers, the vocals had more presence against the music, probably down to reduced frequency range and some extra compression from the tiny speakers. Also the incidental vocals and other sounds really gave the impression of it being a band performing.
@Fitz strong Doors vibe but you did give it your own too. Actually as it fades out I could imagine Macca singing over this quite happily. Definitely enjoyed and only partly for nostalgic reasons.
Overall a really strong showing this month. Hopefully I lowered the bar so others will feel less intimidated in joining in next month
Thanks Matt. I think we have a different aesthetic when it comes to percussion. No problem though, I do appreciate different views to my own.
To follow on from what JGY said, do both. You will learn things from both approaches. And yes, my track could be called an experiment but that doesn't make it any less significant for me.
Thank you, couldn't ask for a better response. The bit about the disconnected drums was what I liked about it, kinda forces you to switch focus. Sometimes I go back to a track and it feels like it was made by someone else entirely.
Isn't this the truth? The cruel typically human side of that is this always applies tenfold to the odd piece I really like ("Who did that?"), whereas all the usual dross I immediately recognize my singular responsibility for
Ha ha! you got it. But as my mother is fond of saying "we don't talk about those.."
Hey guys. I'm in! This presumably has to be a May submission. It's by no means a song but since you all seem like a friendly and constructively critical bunch I thought it just might be a good place for it. I don't have much time for writing songs at the mo with the new kid on the block etc so I decided to go to my loft for 15mins at a time and make an occasional video, while the opportunity lasts.
Welcome to the club; good to have you here.
A) I envy you the loft.
C) There are about four maybe five songs here. What a great way to sketch/brainstorm ideas and possible directions.
D) Your stuff, the little I've had the pleasure of seeing/hearing, always reminds me/drags me back to Dub FX - Flow (feat. Mr. Woodnote & Flower Fairy) and so forth. No bad thing.
E) Understand the time-crunch of real and adorable life but would still like to see a 'this is a completed song' out of you, whether it be this month or next.
Thanks @JohnnyGoodyear I'm afraid the new life in the family takes away a lot of those precious me and the guitar moments. The truth is that I owe my 3 months old Matilda a song since her sister got one bang on arrival. So opportunity is definitely there just need to put down the nappy and pick up the guitar!
Guitar is my job at the moment so the nappies feel like the well deserved rest...
The thread that never ends!
My apologise for putting this here. My thinking is that it's just a reworking of my entry, so doesn't really belong in May (and I would like to do something else), and previously it wasn't something I would have let out there if it wasn't for the time pressures involved in wanting to be here. I will probably delete the other sometime too. Also, although still not finished (yes JG, I know, where are the words?!), the results are partly through comments and reflection from this club, though of course nobody's fault.
So don't feel like you need to add anything, just getting rid so I can move on, thanks y'all.
Lol, love this!
@supadom, as always, really impressed with your work. I also have 2 pre school children and, although as my youngest is nearly 2 and therefore I feel like I'm coming out the other side, I'm acutely aware of the limited time kids plus work plus whatever allow. To have your space set up, and to have even your limited time there must be great. I wish I'd been so wise.
Watching you is like a lesson in how to live loop. It would be really great to zoom in and watch what and how you are doing stuff sometimes. It all seems to seamless and yet must have took so much effort to get to that point.
It always sounds great, and it's shame you live so far away as I could probably sort some gigs out round here, maybe the odd party or festival.
Doesn't get any easier - I've got a six year old and he demands constant attention! Great track, love the setup and live playing. I'd love to be able to have everything connected like that - I might pick your brains at some point on how it all works
I like it, a big, full sound and nice instrumentation. Guitar tone is lovely.
A 20 and 21 year old...and now a grandson, and it still hasn't gotten any easier! It's worth it though. I jam with both of my sons on occasion, and that's one of the best things for all of us. Great job @supadom!
@solador78 I think the new version is much better, the guitar now really fits the mood of the intro. I really like the tone you've got on the lead guitar as well.
BTW, very astute comment. I have a tendency to swallow the end of sung words and (denial!) had forgotten this. I appreciate the nudge and will work at it next time around. May have to force myself to record A Ballad where singing is cruelly put fully on show, but am still encouraging myself to have the balls to try it etc
I like it, going for the extreme. Plenty of ballads that aren't trite that you could practice to. Do bear in mind that, for all my criticism, intended constructively, I haven't even attempted a vocal performance yet. Am going to attempt a remote mobile recording somewhere far from any signs of civilisation in the near future.
@supadom - that was great. As usual - an amazing performance and great music.
Bass guitar line was fantastic.
And I love those Turnado(?) delay and loop effects you were throwing on the vocals and other things.
It's mind boggling how you've got it all set up.
Pardon my late housekeeping, but there are a lot of good folk who provided a lot of good tunes and a lot of good feedback during April's installment. So here's me playing catch-up, Tolstoy style. First up, gratitude:
@JohnnyGoodyear - thank you for the Michael Jordan comment - more than funny, timely and encouraging
@monzo - thank you for listening, I've since reposted the track with a respectable boost to the vocal levels. I appreciate the feedback!
@richardyot - thanks for keeping this train rolling, it's good to have deadlines, tunes and feedback all in one place. I boosted the vox and performed several more vocal takes to smooth out as many errant notes as possible.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 - I'm pleased to get some feedback on the lyrics, since they went through a few drafts before landing with the proverbial thud. Thank you for your kind comments
@peanut_gallery - What Mr. Goodyear said, and good on ya! Now you've got nothing to nag at you going forward and a new trick for your bag to boot!
@Fitz - Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Very helpful, much appreciated, and part of the reason I went back in and recorded several more vocal takes.
@Jocphone - Thank you as well for suggesting a stronger vocal presence in the mix
The studio chatter was just one more tip of the hat to old Police albums, although I've always been a fan of off-mike "yeahs" and "heys."
Next up, overdue feedback:
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 - on "Trillion K," I love the bell-like keys over that bass in the intro. A nice spacious mix, and the reverb-soaked dive-bombing keys at the 3 minute mark are inspired
"Cohesion" really picked up steam for me when the friendly bass line started snarling, and I enjoyed the otherworldly, lost soul keening vocal lines. Nicely done!
@Fitz - "Dark Parade" I suppose there's always that one guy, but I actually preferred v1 over v2. The newer guitar texture was interesting, but felt too close to the frequency range of your tremoloed EP, leading to more fighting and less playing between the two parts. One of the standouts in v1 was that playful contrast between the jangly guitar and the moodier keys. Bonus: the strummy guitar bringing it all home at the two minute mark in v1. Brilliant!
@Jocphone "For Minial spending freeze changer" - Got my vote for best title of the month right out of the gate. I dig me some stab'n'jab percussion, well-implemented! You coaxed some nice sounds out of your gadgets. I'd be interested to hear this fleshed out with more verse/chorus type structure, but then, I tend to be a verse/chorus kinda guy.
@Supadom "Flexi" - More like "Being Supadom" ... Thanks for letting me hang out in your head while you laid down the free-style. Seriously, I'm a midiot and didn't understand half of what you were doing, but it sounded totally groovy and was fascinating to watch, like a musical magic show
@JohnnyGoodyear - I gave your cowboy song a few more listens and I'm inclined to agree that the looser vocal approach is growing on me. I just needed to step back and listen one time with my GBH "Alcohol" bar-room spurs on. Kudos again
Now if there's to be a gentlemanly settling of differences regarding careless, tossed words like "croon" and "er," might I suggest that other time-honored method for settling Texan disputes? Chili. Cook. Off.
I think that's everyone. If I missed anyone, my apologies. On to the May thread I suppose, already at 117 comments I've yet to expose myself to. Rock on!
@eustressor good catching up on your administrative duties. Impressive.
Chili is my food group of choice. Anytime anywhere pardner...
I just finished watching this and thought I'd share since there has been some talk of vocals recording. There's also some about recording drums which is of particular interest to me.