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While i understand your point i disagree frankly regarding Auria Pro.We are not talking about a minor update here.it will be a gamechanger and THE next step in iOS music,a whole new level and the first time that i (and others) will be able to make music in a very similar fashion i'm used from fully matured desktop software like Logic etc.Without all the compromises we still have to fight against.I was waiting for YEARS now to have such a powerful software on iPad.The excitement and impatience is understandable.
How do we know this, it's not even in Beta testing yet ? (AFAIK), are there specs available yet ? Either way, I think my point stands - there isn't (and probably never will be) one app to 'rule them all'.
The specs are available since january: http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=12809&sid=fe4696d62ed725e466cd977b46976e93
Your point is your opinion of course but for ME Auria Pro looks like it will be damn close to THE app to rule them all
Features alone do not make necessarily a killer-app. If this were the case, beatmaker 2 would rule them all, already.
What about removing the forcibly installed IAP in the last update? I don't want them and don't appreciate you squatting my workstation!
Good point. I think there's always different needs for composers. That's why there are so many desktop DAW's available, all with different GUI's. Heck, for some, Garageband has everything they need for composing. For me I've never tried Cubasis, since I am not a sequencer type composer, but I am a MIDI/time signature/tempo chg., type. I also play almost all of my track live. Not everyone is like that. The Fabfilter plugs in Auria are just as much of a draw for me as the recording/editing approach too. Auria will not have multi-take management for quite a while too which is important in a studio environment.
I am used to getting the job done regardless of what's at hand. If one app can't do what I need then I'll go old school or experiment around. I'll get it done because the client needs it to be done.
I agree with @Crabman that the promised features of Auria Pro put it in a special category.
I think we've hit a little bit of a prolonged slump in the workstation/sampler area.*
We continue to get a lot of interesting noise-makers and noise-shapers, and we've had a steady diet of fun and quick grooveboxes. But these machines are often narrowly-featured and singularly-focused, and tilted toward stock-sample usage if they do handle samples. (How is Dropbox import [w/sample audition] not standard at this point? Why are we still so tethered to the computer or sluggish and inefficient mediators like ACP?)**
Maybe it comes down to hitting a wall in the iOS environment in terms of freedom of movement and control. It's still mostly a PITA to move audio around and hook up MIDI controls in the ways that computer DAWs can do so effortlessly.
Beyond having blind faith in what BM3 might bring, AP is first to give us realistic hope in a significant evolution since BM2***, Cubasis and the original Auria.****
More is at stake (in a good way) with these DAW-oriented apps, since they have the capacity to enhance the usability of other apps.
*Gadget is obvious exception to the slump, but it came out 15 months ago. It's also not a real audio DAW, and isn't capable of functioning as an inter-app host.
*I'd add Egoist as a somewhat-recent groovebox exception, since it adds something genuinely new to iOS landscape in its transient-detection slicing.
**Do the Gadget samplers represent the only instance where you can audition a sample in Dropbox before importing?
**BM2 and Audioshare are still only music apps I'm aware of that allow bulk DB importing.
***Did the first iteration of Beatmaker come out on the iPhone around 2007 or 2008? Compare those 7-8 years of iOS music development to the innovation from, say, 1981 to 1988, with the emergence of MIDI, digital samplers, FM synthesis, DAW development, etc.
****I'll add Audioshare and Audiobus if we want to broaden this to breakthroughs in audio management and workflow helpers.
P.S. Since this post is obnoxiously long, I'll save everyone some time and effort with some caveats that shouldn't need noting (and that I secretly don't fully believe):
--Auria Pro, shockingly, won't be the be-all, end-all of iOS music tech, and could even fall on its face. And many of its best features and add-ons may not play nice with older iPad models.
--Great music can still be made without any new innovation in iOS music tech ... and we are spoiled because back in the day it costs $100K for 1 MB of RAM, and you had to trudge through 80 miles of snow and past hoards of naysayers to get it, blah, blah, blah. (But, but, but...the tech WAS moving forward at a faster rate back then.)
Beatmaker is not"ruling them all"because of crap FX,the worst interface design,terrible File management,no IAA Fx and bad,unresponsive support.Auria already beats BM2 in all this points with ease.IMO.Rim is one of the best developer for iOS,i have absolutely no doubt that with Auria Pro he will release the"killer app"most of us are waiting for.And he is listening and responsive (mostly you get an answer in a couple of hours),very open for suggestions.WML has the best software support i've seen in years.
it should be clear that i'm writing here (about)my personal opinion/needs and when i write"most of us"than is it based on observations that i made over time on different platforms/websites.
I also really like Cubasis btw,and it's the app i'm using most to date.But often enough i'm struggling with stuff that made it feel like it's still in beta ("undo"is still not absolutely reliable and i avoid it as hell for example) and lacking basic,important features (quantization not switching completely off,no preset system for FX...).We will see what the"many fixes and improvements"will be.But i'll be happy to continue using both in the future.
Regarding Auria Pro when it does come out there will almost certainly be some bugs that need to be ironed out. That adds more time till it's ready to be used. I agree with what was said earlier about learning to use what we have now. Cubasis is good and doesn't have the sync issues of Auria that Diode discovered.
Downloading new Cubasis now...
What's New in Version 1.9.5
• New MiniSampler to create own instruments in a snap
• 5 MiniSampler piano factory instruments based on HALion Sonic
• 16 Allen Morgan MiniSampler factory drum kits paired with 128 song-oriented MIDI patterns
• iOS 64-bit mode support (for supported iOS devices)
• Audiobus SDK 2.1.6
FUCK YEAH !!!
Finally a sampler in Cubasis!
boy oh boy !!!
Yep, just awesome!
I think I'm going to wait for some initial impressions of alpha testers and then probably jump on it. This sounds like finally the vversion of Cubasis to own.
Is the infamous zomm/scroll bug still present?
yup
This is an unfair and inaccurate take on the situation with Auria. The app was released as an audio recorder/workstation (with no claim or intentions about MIDI). Only after it was out for a lengthy bit did Rim say he would add MIDI due to the demands of the people who had already bought the app. I don't recall Rim ever "encouraging people to buy the app based on the promise that a major feature is comin soon". If anyone bought it under that pretense, that is the buyers fkup, not Rim's. Personally I bought Auria as an audio recorder/workstation and I can only dream about where it would be NOW (audio loop recording, multi bus options, etc) if it weren't for the MIDI that many people demanded. I'll patiently wait for the update, while using a great app (as is). And then I'll be super happy when the update does come.
Same here - I bought Auria because of what it does now, as GarageBand started to glitch on my old pad.
There are a few bugs, there seems to be a screen redraw bug when I scroll around and the occasional disappearing sound issue (though this could be an issue with the input app), but generally it does what it's supposed to.
I was certainly not sold the app on the promise of new features - even now I'm not even sure what they'll be.
Jan 2015. Major Auria Announcement.
Introducing Auria Pro!
With over two years in the making, we're really excited to finally give you a preview of the upcoming Auria Pro. Full MIDI capabilities, real-time audio warping, powerful audio bussing, two built-in synths and much more, Auria Pro raises the bar in mobile recording once again. Auria Pro will be on display at our booth at NAMM (Booth#6903).
Auria Pro will be available Spring 2015 and will be priced at $49.99. Existing Auria users will be able to purchase an in-app upgrade to Auria Pro for a reduced price. Pricing for the standard Auria version will be $24.99.
Since then I've seen many threads here and elsewhere extolling the virtues of Auria and suggesting people get it rather than cubasis based on the fact that it will have midi "soon"
At the very least an informed potential purchaser is likely to wait a while before choosing and thus leaving Auria as a potential purchase.
Auria forum 21st June.
http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=12972&start=45#p39339
Thanks for the patience everyone. We've been working hard on finishing up the sampler, and that's what's been holding things up from finally entering beta. I hope to have the sampler engine finalized very soon so we can start testing. There's also the sampler GUI that's still remaining to be done. I'll keep you posted as soon as I have more info to share!
Thanks,
Rim
Pre-announcement of new products is one thing vapourware is another the question is when does one become the other.
So actually I dispute your assertion that my take on the situation with Auria was unfair and inaccurate. In fact I never specifically mentioned Auria yet you were able to work out that was who I meant clearly suggesting that there was at least an element of truth in my remark.
@BiancaNeve OK so Auria Pro is behind schedule, but it's a stretch to claim that it's vapourware, especially as the dev is very open about communicating with users. It's late, this happens all the time in software development. It will come.
Thats, what I meant. If only features were significant Beatmaker 2 is a hell of an app which easily kills all DAWs currently available and known to me. But I think I'm not the only one, who is turned off of it, because of many design- and implementation flaws. However - on the iphone, I am using it, because there is no competion. On the ipad, I run circles around it.
There a dozens of possible szenarios, Auria Pro could fail to fulfill it's promises.
e.g.:
First releases could be a resource-hungry and buggy mess and it could take another 6-12 month until it gets usable.
the overal workflow could be not inviting and straightforward enough to use it as an everyday daw - thats it's current state for me and thats exactly, what turns me off from Beatmaker 2.
So I think propagating, that Auria Pro will beat them all is not more than wishful thinking right now, in my opinion.
@BiancaNeve - I guess I read that differently than you do. All I see above is Rim announcing an upcoming release, which will be available as a separate product or as an IAP for his current product. No one is having their arm twisted to buy the current Auria on the basis of a future update/IAP. Nothing shady here.
If you actually go to the Auria forum you will see than Mr Rim has been very open about the situation. They ran into some issues working on the sampler, which has led to the delay. We already know Pro exists because it was demoed in January. My guess is that it will be in Beta some time over the next month.
I haven't called it vapourware. I merely asked how long it is before it becomes it.
The fact remains that if you look back across the Auria forum there's people saying they bought it in 2013 because it was expected to have midi soon.
I haven't called it vapourware. I merely asked how long it is before it becomes it.
A little semantically disingenuous
Patience brethren. I'm pleased to see Cubasis has brought something more to the party. These are products not people or political parties. Let's exploit them all as best as we're individually able etc.
Meh.
I need BM2 for MPC-style production, and Auria for my DAW needs. With tools like Audiobus, I've got more than I need and all I've dreampt of already. I try to focus on my craft and not the hype.
If people bought Auria because it would have "midi soon", at no time did Rim say it would have "midi soon". He said it was on the list of things to build. No dates, no order of items, nothing. I think folks do what folks do, and read things into this. Why would Rim not say that at some point there would be midi, if that was his intentions? Anyhow, it's all speculation at this point. When I bought, Auria seemed to be regarded as the best app for recording straight audio, and Cubasis was better if you wanted midi. Both are rolling along to being complete DAWs, which says something about the iPad market. I have cast my lot in with Auria, and will quite happily wait, because I don't much care for midi, looking forward to playing with it when it arrives. I also like, as many people do, the underdog aspect of what Rim is doing, against the Steinberg folks, who are not bad people, just possessing of a bit more resources.
As was mentioned earlier, there's a lot more than midi coming in this update. As someone who bought auria as a mixing platform, midi and a synth is far down on my list of desired updates. The flexible bussing and extra aux sends however are very high on my list. And until they're released, I'll use auria just like it is now. Auria is not keeping me from making great mixes, only my skill determines that.
Actually, my requested feature, touch automation, is not in this update as Rim said he is focused on releasing the features that are already there, so it will be in some future update. Pre/post on auxes was added from a request I made , so I know he listens to people.
If you want open communication with developers, you got it with rim. Would you prefer he disappears while working? Then the cries of. "Abandon ware!" begin. When the update comes it will be awesome.
If you feel like you have to or want to buy cubasis instead, then buy it. It doesn't have to be a big "brew ha ha." It's all talk...
When you hear a great song, even the nerdiest among us (I fit that description) don't ask what tools made it, at least not at first. Do you look at a beautiful house and wonder what brand of hammer the builder used?
Ouch, just fell off of my soapbox and bumped my head. Going to get it stitched up and I'll be back...
One bit of curiosity for the Cubasis folks - one thing I do love about Auria is the plugs from Fabfilter and PSP. They are truly professional quality. It's unfortunate the iPad can't support VST the way the desktop does, but the prices are so much lower, not sure it matters. Anyhow, what does Cubasis have in comparison?
disingenuous
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I haven't accused you of being dishonest kindly return the courtesy.
As for when pre-announcement becomes vapourware it's an interesting philosophical debate. But feel free to compare and contrast Steinbergs behaviour in respect of updates with Aurias.
Sorry, not a litigator. Going to pass.